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September 24, 2017, 03:34:41 AM
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I was looking through the news and I saw a old news article. This is when the State investigate the leaders of a certain religious group and the members hold a rally in front of the state building, shouting and exclaiming the separation of church and state (Like don't meddle with our problems). But the state has to respond because someone complaint about a crime that have been committed. What are your thoughts about this?

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September 24, 2017, 03:53:36 AM
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I was looking through the news and I saw a old news article. This is when the State investigate the leaders of a certain religious group and the members hold a rally in front of the state building, shouting and exclaiming the separation of church and state (Like don't meddle with our problems). But the state has to respond because someone complaint about a crime that have been committed. What are your thoughts about this?
Separation of church and state must excluded when crime is in thr equation because state or the government is in charge of it, church is not another country, it is still in the jurisdiction of the government.
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September 25, 2017, 09:18:55 AM
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I was looking through the news and I saw a old news article. This is when the State investigate the leaders of a certain religious group and the members hold a rally in front of the state building, shouting and exclaiming the separation of church and state (Like don't meddle with our problems). But the state has to respond because someone complaint about a crime that have been committed. What are your thoughts about this?

Lemme guess, you were thinking of the INC in the Philippines?  Grin

IMHO, the State should trump the Church when it comes to law. After all the Church is not the one providing security and law enforcement for the citizens. It irks me when mullahs can get away with molesting kids in madrasas, that priests get spirited away to a far away parish at the first whiff of a sexual abuse complaint, etc. The Church have no business telling the State how to run itself but the State have every right to monitor the Church because it tend to abuse whatever privilege it may have been given by the State (example, tax exemptions) - privileges they never deserved in the first place.
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September 25, 2017, 01:07:01 PM
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Church is an institution separated from state, its works are unite individual and teach acceptable values. On the other hand state's role is to maintains peace and control criminality and solve social problems. Church may give opinions on certain issue like human rights violation but it cannot enter to decision making regarding the problem because it part of state's job.
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September 25, 2017, 03:13:22 PM
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Even if Church is separated from the government, it can still be of a great influence. Could you really imagine an atheist president in he US? Probably not, right.
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October 23, 2017, 07:05:14 AM
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there should be separation between church and state because you can never have a good government if the church always butt in every time the state make decision and vise versa.
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October 23, 2017, 07:27:17 AM
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Now, in many countries of the world, politics and the church are so strongly connected that it is simply frightening. I believe that it is bad when the church uses different political parties for its own benefit.

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October 23, 2017, 10:56:16 AM
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Now politics and church are separate. Churches no more rules the country. So, only the politician can be above the law. Churches now have to be under the law.

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October 23, 2017, 11:15:39 AM
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I was looking through the news and I saw a old news article. This is when the State investigate the leaders of a certain religious group and the members hold a rally in front of the state building, shouting and exclaiming the separation of church and state (Like don't meddle with our problems). But the state has to respond because someone complaint about a crime that have been committed. What are your thoughts about this?

The church and the state are equal in essence. What does not control one, is controlled by another. The state regulates our physical side and the church - the mental one. They are like parasites on the body of each other, and would be glad to separate, but they can not. There were many examples of attempts to separate the church from the state in history, but all of them, as a rule, ended pitifully.

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October 23, 2017, 12:03:36 PM
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I have never been a fan of Church and I find it uncenceivable that it can rule a country. It MUST be separated from the state.
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October 23, 2017, 12:53:05 PM
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I was looking through the news and I saw a old news article. This is when the State investigate the leaders of a certain religious group and the members hold a rally in front of the state building, shouting and exclaiming the separation of church and state (Like don't meddle with our problems). But the state has to respond because someone complaint about a crime that have been committed. What are your thoughts about this?

When it involves a violation of the law or crime, the state must intervene. The separation is still abound but the moral laws cannot be crossed by religion. They stilm have to answer to the laws of the state.

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October 23, 2017, 02:22:38 PM
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I was looking through the news and I saw a old news article. This is when the State investigate the leaders of a certain religious group and the members hold a rally in front of the state building, shouting and exclaiming the separation of church and state (Like don't meddle with our problems). But the state has to respond because someone complaint about a crime that have been committed. What are your thoughts about this?

No one is exempted from the law, even if you're a spiritual leader or a religious body. Therefore, if you commit crimes under the law of the state, then you're still dubbed as a criminal. There's a separation of the church from the state but the law is universal.

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October 23, 2017, 02:25:47 PM
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The church should and always be separated from from the state becauae their beliefs cannot be ruled over by the law, but if it involves the lives of the other people of the state to which the church is a part of, then the story is different. The church must submit to the laws of the state.

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October 23, 2017, 02:45:08 PM
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The church should and always be separated from from the state becauae their beliefs cannot be ruled over by the law, but if it involves the lives of the other people of the state to which the church is a part of, then the story is different. The church must submit to the laws of the state.

In the western society state is already separated from the church.
This process started with French revolution in 1789.
Only in the Islam world religious leaders lead the state.
Basicaly, you can't separate religion and the state in the arab world.
We can think what we want about it but it's natural for them, part of their culture and tradition.

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October 24, 2017, 12:44:17 PM
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I was looking through the news and I saw a old news article. This is when the State investigate the leaders of a certain religious group and the members hold a rally in front of the state building, shouting and exclaiming the separation of church and state (Like don't meddle with our problems). But the state has to respond because someone complaint about a crime that have been committed. What are your thoughts about this?

I think this is cery important in every state to have a clear distinction or definition regarding what is covered and under the jurisditciont of the church or state. Sometimes it is important to note that one cannot interfere with the other as this can only mean that they have different wolds to go on



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October 24, 2017, 04:34:25 PM
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Church is the reality; State is just a state of mind.    Cool
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October 24, 2017, 05:52:28 PM
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In some countries, churches aren't even taxed. They make so much money and even establish schools that require high tuition fees, yet not 0% tax? C'mon it's time that these people pay the same way other businesses do.
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October 24, 2017, 05:58:19 PM
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In some countries, churches aren't even taxed. They make so much money and even establish schools that require high tuition fees, yet not 0% tax? C'mon it's time that these people pay the same way other businesses do.

In some countries, churches aren't even taxed. They make so much money and even establish schools that require high tuition fees, yet not 0% tax? C'mon it's time that everybody pay the same amount of taxes as churches do.

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October 24, 2017, 09:53:22 PM
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the state in which a philosopher plato says, the head of state must be born a philosopher, because the world has two powers, namely the power of religion and philosophy, if such a state distances from religion it will be moral inequality in the country, and this actually endangers the country itself , the issue of secularism will be bunerang for its adopting nations,
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October 25, 2017, 10:35:13 AM
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I was looking through the news and I saw a old news article. This is when the State investigate the leaders of a certain religious group and the members hold a rally in front of the state building, shouting and exclaiming the separation of church and state (Like don't meddle with our problems). But the state has to respond because someone complaint about a crime that have been committed. What are your thoughts about this?

In this specific case, that separation can't actually be applied. If a person from a certain congregation or religion committed a crime, then regardless of where they belong to, they're bound to the law and should be punished.

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