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June 29, 2011, 07:37:16 AM
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theymos: Mybitcoin.com provides, as far as I can tell, no way for a user who can't log in to contact the site administrators for support. That's quite peculiar to me. I'll see if I can log in there and make a support ticket requesting some kind of contact info to be posted on the front page.

Edit: nevermind, LittleGnome says they've already tried this.

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June 29, 2011, 07:46:49 AM
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theymos: Mybitcoin.com provides, as far as I can tell, no way for a user who can't log in to contact the site administrators for support. That's quite peculiar to me. I'll see if I can log in there and make a support ticket requesting some kind of contact info to be posted on the front page.

Edit: nevermind, LittleGnome says they've already tried this.

rebuilder, feel free to submit that as a support ticket. I've mostly confined my support requests to things such as "please give me access to my account", "how can I access my account", "why don't you reply?", "you realize I'm talking about you all over the internet, right?" and words to that effect.
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June 29, 2011, 05:39:02 PM
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What kind of proof are you looking for?

For one thing, they should publish the results of the audit they claimed was performed.

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June 30, 2011, 06:42:20 AM
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What kind of proof are you looking for?

For one thing, they should publish the results of the audit they claimed was performed.

Then I would agree with you, theymos. That would be enormously helpful. Right now All I'm seeing are myself and a few vocal parties who feel wronged by this, and this statement, which I might add was not made to the public at large.

If Mybitcoin was even a third or fourth rate financial institution in the mainstream world we would expect more than what we've gotten.

My point in all this,

Mr. Williams, you owe your customers, anonymous or not, an explanation, and a way to reclaim their funds.
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June 30, 2011, 04:36:32 PM
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The market response to this would be to go somewhere else. I warn everybody away from myBitcoin at least until they remedy this situation, but the problem is: what other eWallet providers are there?

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The market response to this would be to go somewhere else. I warn everybody away from myBitcoin at least until they remedy this situation, but the problem is: what other eWallet providers are there?

I feel the same... really dislike mybitcoin.com and wouldn't want my friends to use it, but then I have no alternative to recommend either.

You can use many sites as an ewallet, although doing so won't give much functionality... i.e. Tradehill could be used as an ewallet.

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The market response to this would be to go somewhere else. I warn everybody away from myBitcoin at least until they remedy this situation, but the problem is: what other eWallet providers are there?

I feel the same... really dislike mybitcoin.com and wouldn't want my friends to use it, but then I have no alternative to recommend either.

You can use many sites as an ewallet, although doing so won't give much functionality... i.e. Tradehill could be used as an ewallet.


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June 30, 2011, 05:29:14 PM
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The market response to this would be to go somewhere else. I warn everybody away from myBitcoin at least until they remedy this situation, but the problem is: what other eWallet providers are there?

I feel the same... really dislike mybitcoin.com and wouldn't want my friends to use it, but then I have no alternative to recommend either.

You can use many sites as an ewallet, although doing so won't give much functionality... i.e. Tradehill could be used as an ewallet.


instawallet.org  -just got one.

Yeah, that's a good site... what I meant by 'much functionality' was mainly merchant integration.

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July 01, 2011, 01:31:47 AM
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MyBitcoin is still accepting payments with only 1 confirmation. This is insane for a bank. Any miner capable of mining two blocks in a row can steal money from MyBitcoin pretty easily. I'm surprised no one has attempted it yet.

There's another attack made possible by accepting payments with less than 6 confirmations that would allow you to see exactly which coins MyBitcoin has, and possibly do other damage.

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July 01, 2011, 02:06:53 AM
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MyBitcoin is still accepting payments with only 1 confirmation. This is insane for a bank. Any miner capable of mining two blocks in a row can steal money from MyBitcoin pretty easily. I'm surprised no one has attempted it yet.

There's another attack made possible by accepting payments with less than 6 confirmations that would allow you to see exactly which coins MyBitcoin has, and possibly do other damage.

Don't leave us hanging! As long as it doesn't allow someone to go right out and do it what is the < 6 block attack?
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July 01, 2011, 02:49:00 AM
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It's pretty simple, which is why I didn't mention it. The client will only send coins with >6 confirmations unless you have none of those left. So you just keep depositing and withdrawing lots of coins and MyBitcoin will quickly send every coin they have. Once the same coins start to be resent, you know you've seen them all. Now you know how many coins MyBitcoin has with high accuracy as well as exactly which coins make up that balance. You've also "brought to the surface" all of MyBitcoin's coins, which might allow other attacks.

I haven't tried this. Maybe MyBitcoin limits site-wide BTC movements, which might make it more difficult.

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Hash: SHA1

            From the desk of Tom Williams, operator of MyBitcoin.com

                          For immediate release.

There are a lot of unanswered questions floating around on the Bitcoin
forum and other places about the recent Mtgox password leak, and theft
from the MyBitcoin system.

I will attempt to answer as many of the questions and concerns as best
as I can in order to silence the rumor-mill once and for all.

As many of you already know, Mtgox was hacked and its password file was
leaked. As soon as we heard about the leak we were closely monitoring
the system for abnormal activity, and we didn't see any.

At first glance, we didn't see any hard evidence that a password leak
had even occurred. There was just a lot of speculation to an SQL
injection vulnerability in Mtgox's site. A few clients of ours had
informed us of the forum threads, and we watched them carefully.

The following morning a client of ours sent us the download link to the
leaked Mtgox password file. We prompty downloaded the file, put up a
warning on the main page, and disabled the login.

We attempted to line up usernames from the leak, and we found a lot of
matching ones. We started locking down all of those accounts using a
script that we had to have written at a moment's notice. It was during
this time that we noticed a flurry of spends happening. Yes, even with
the site disabled.

The attacker had active sessions open to the site. We quickly flushed
them and the spends stopped abruptly. We disabled the SCI, all payment
forwarding, and all receipt URL traffic on all of the usernames in the
Mtgox leak.

We proceeded to change the password on every account where the username
matched our system's database. PGP-signed emails went out to all of the
accounts that we changed the password on. If an account didn't have an
email address or had already been compromised we put up a bulletin.
(Email addresses were mandatory when we opened our service initially,
but people complained that it wasn't truly anonymous so we made them
optional. Unfortunately this makes contacting a security-compromised
customer impossible.)

An investigation was conducted at that time, and we determined that the
attacker had opened up a session to each active user/password pair ahead
of time, solved the captcha, and used some sort of bot to maintain a
connection so our system wouldn't timeout on the session. It was likely
his intent to gain access to more accounts than he did, but as soon as
he noticed that we had changed the main page of the site he sprung into
action by sending a flurry of spends.

(Before you ask: no, we don't limit logins per IP address. We can't. We
have a lot of users that come in from Tor and I2P that all appear to
share the same source IP address.)

We've concluded that around 1% of the users on the leaked Mtgox password
file had their Bitcoins stolen on MyBitcoin. It is unfortunate, and a
horrible experience for the Bitcoin community in general.

The IP address that the attacker used was a Tor exit node and the spends
were to an address that is outside of our system.

Now to address the rumors:

No, our database wasn't compromised. We had a 3rd party company audit
our site for SQL injection attacks and we passed. (We did, however, have
one XSS hole in the address book page last month that would allow an
attacker to insert fake entries into a customer's address book. It was
promptly fixed and offending address book entries were purged. Not a
single customer had spent to the fake address book entries.) Every line
of code was audited last month. Literally line by line audited by
professionals, and it was deemed safe.

No, this site isn't being ran by some amateur that just learned how to
program computers. It was created by seasoned programmers that
understand security.

Yes, we use password encryption. We are currently using SHA-256, but
since the recent Mtgox hack we will be upgrading that to something
stronger. It's surprising how many sites still use MD5, even though it
was broken years ago. It is my personal opinion that MD5 be deprecated
from modern operating systems.

We also use whole-disk level encryption on every single one of our
servers. When you fail a disk in a NOC and a level 1 technician replaces
it does he wipe the disk before the RMA/tossing it in the garbage? Not
usually! We know these mistakes happen, so we take precautions. Any and
all servers with an IP KVM on them are ran in secure console mode. The
root passwords are required even for single user mode. All disk keys are
held off-site and were never generated anywhere near the internet. All
server passwords are unique per server and per user, of course. Only two
technicians have access to the secure servers. This access is over a VPN
and we only use secured workstations running Linux and BSD to access
them.

We use BSD servers with MAC, immutable flags, jails, PAX, SSP,
randomized mmap, secure level, a WAF, a DDoS mitigation and alert system
- -- the works. Like I said earlier. We are not amateurs. In fact,
combined we have over 30 years of experience in the payment
processing (credit card arena) industry.

A large amount of the Bitcoin holding is in cold (offline) storage. We
only have a percentage of the holding available hot. This is done for
obvious reasons.

Going forward we are implementing a 2-factor login system,
user-configurable spend limits, better session token tumbling, and a
bunch of new SCI features.

Wishing the Bitcoin community all the best and a swift recovery, and
sincerely yours,


Tom Williams

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Public Key "MyBitcoin LLC (SCI Verification Key) <nobody@mybitcoin.com>":


Code:
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Result (gpg -v):

Code:
gpg: Signature made 06/23/11 05:55:37 AUS Eastern Standard Time using RSA key ID A5027A85
gpg: using PGP trust model
gpg: Good signature from "MyBitcoin LLC (SCI Verification Key) <nobody@mybitcoin.com>"
gpg: WARNING: This key is not certified with a trusted signature!
gpg:          There is no indication that the signature belongs to the owner.
Primary key fingerprint: FB59 EE27 E803 FB68 EF30  3F5A 9FB9 834E A502 7A85
gpg: textmode signature, digest algorithm SHA1

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August 04, 2011, 11:38:46 AM
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Fake PGP key was known already or did I just read your post wrong?

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Fake PGP key was known already or did I just read your post wrong?

Not the way I read it
That post seems legit. 
I also did a gpg verify on a mybitcoin deposit email someone posted online and got a similar result

The signature isn't 'trusted' in that it's not verified by a certifying agency - but I think we can know that it's the same person who had control of the mybitcoin response email system.

I found the same public key in some python software which interfaced with mybitcoin.

Interestingly.. that key does seem to have been certified on 2011-04-02 and 2011-04-12 by one Tobias LLoyd and there are a couple of email addresses for him.

As far as I know.. you shouldn't certify unless you've met and properly verified the person.. so maybe Tobias has some information?



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August 04, 2011, 11:55:10 AM
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As far as I know.. you shouldn't certify unless you've met and properly verified the person.. so maybe Tobias has some information?
Yes he might, do you have his mail address? Maybe send him a polite mail...

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As far as I know.. you shouldn't certify unless you've met and properly verified the person.. so maybe Tobias has some information?
Yes he might, do you have his mail address? Maybe send him a polite mail...


I have just done so.

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I have just done so.
This seems a genuine web of trust, the keys his key are signed with are also signed by others etc... Let's hope this turns op something.

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Tobias was very helpful but doesn't have any further information regarding Tom Williams.

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I believe the only certificate for mybitcoin.com I would have verified would have been the PGP cert that was used to sign all of the emails.

With PGP (or GPG in the OpenSource community) there is no need to meet each other face to face to exchange certificates.  All encryption and signing is done through a public and private key pair.  So, mybitcoin.com would sign all of their correspondence with their private key.  Then through use of their public key, I can validate that it was actually them who signed it.

Now, in regards to my validation of the mybitcoin.com public key.  When I received a message from mybitcoin.com that was signed AND I confirmed that the data contained within was correct (I.E. the transaction listed matched one I had just placed) I knew the message was authentic, so I would have signed their public key indicating that I trusted this key as an authentic key.  So anything signed with that particular key, I knew I could trust.  All of the verification was done from right here at my desk, so I'm sorry to say, I did not have to meet anyone in person in order to verify the key.  I probably gave the key too high of a signing rating though.  Usually when I'm signing keys I go all or nothing.  So sorry if I mis-led you.

I know this doesn't help you in your search, but I wish the best of luck to you!
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August 04, 2011, 02:55:05 PM
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Who exactly is Tobias Lloyd, and could he be Tom Williams?

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Too bad, another dead end. It was worth a try!

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