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October 05, 2017, 05:10:54 PM
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***  Syan miner is a SCAM! If someone buys their miners without a well-known and trusted Forum User 1st getting one for doing a review and posting it here then well, you have been warned ***
I've been emailing the customer support to ask about the next batch and the payment options. here is their response:

Thank you for writing.
PSU, board and chips all come with a 5 year warrenty for defects.
I can fully appreciate your concern. I have also been mining for a number of years and I'm fully aware that many companies have failed to deliver. It is always a concern with a new company.
Our preferred payment option is obviously BTC since we aim to support the network wherever we can. However, we also will be accepting fiat payments via our escrow provider.
If you have any doubts at all, you could always wait and place an order for batch 2.
Please let me know if you have anymore questions.
Best regards,
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Only thing left to do.......visit their headquarters and see what the hell is going on
That ^^ and once again to repeat the 'How to prove they are a REAL miner maker' Mantra:
a. Do the Tradeshow route to get (legit) press coverage to show the general public you at least built something.

b. Start an official Syan thread here for announcements and LEGIT press coverage links.

c. Solicit very-well known reputable users here to do a review of it with the usual conditions: Send it to them gratis, they do a yay/nay/meh review of it with pictures and screenshots. After a week or 2 of testing the reviewer will then either return it or if they really like it - pay for the one they were sent.

Until the above happens - they shall forever remain Vaporware and probable scam.

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October 05, 2017, 07:53:46 PM
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Don't even bother with this product- the photo they provide is a neat photoshop of a coolermaster mini-itx case and this texture for the front grill: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f9/82/87/f98287fbb86f9471007191c84cae8d1a.jpg


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October 05, 2017, 10:20:04 PM
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Don't even bother with this product- the photo they provide is a neat photoshop of a coolermaster mini-itx case and this texture for the front grill: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f9/82/87/f98287fbb86f9471007191c84cae8d1a.jpg




Yea thats exactly what i found and posted about earlier in this thread.

Stop buying industrial miners, running them at home, and then complaining about the noise.
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October 06, 2017, 07:34:14 PM
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Also if the chip is 25% more efficient than the current best in class S9 you would think they would be plastering advertisements whereever they could. They could completely take over the bitcoin hardware game if these machiens were legit.

 The S9 isn't best in class - Bitfury was showing similar efficiency to what Syan is claiming on their demo - and there have been "upgrades" to both GF and TSMC processes since then that make the efficiency claims of the Syan unit reasonable.

 That doesn't mean they are NOT a scam - it just means that *IF* they are a scam, they're a well thought out scam.

 They're also not the first company to come "out of nowhere" with a new miner - a few of which have proven to be legit....

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October 06, 2017, 09:01:48 PM
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The S9 isn't best in class - Bitfury was showing similar efficiency to what Syan is claiming on their demo

Bitmain can also hit that efficiency with their chips and have shown it. I dont get how you can argue the S9 is not best in class right now by the numbers. Show me a bitfury miner I can purchase right now? Show me ANYONE thats ever seen a Syan? BW couldnt match efficiency in a retail product, neither could Canaan, neither could Bitfury, neither could Ebang....the list goes on.

Stop buying industrial miners, running them at home, and then complaining about the noise.
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October 07, 2017, 05:39:13 AM
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The S9 isn't best in class - Bitfury was showing similar efficiency to what Syan is claiming on their demo

Bitmain can also hit that efficiency with their chips and have shown it. I dont get how you can argue the S9 is not best in class right now by the numbers. Show me a bitfury miner I can purchase right now? Show me ANYONE thats ever seen a Syan? BW couldnt match efficiency in a retail product, neither could Canaan, neither could Bitfury, neither could Ebang....the list goes on.

What about durability? ever thought about that?
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October 07, 2017, 06:31:32 AM
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Keeping an eye on this. If they allow escrow, it means there is some credibility at least, though only first hand results will tell the story. I do appreciate the watercooling though I must say. For these prices, this can definitely bring home miners back into the game Smiley
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October 07, 2017, 05:43:27 PM
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The S9 isn't best in class - Bitfury was showing similar efficiency to what Syan is claiming on their demo

Bitmain can also hit that efficiency with their chips and have shown it. I dont get how you can argue the S9 is not best in class right now by the numbers. Show me a bitfury miner I can purchase right now? Show me ANYONE thats ever seen a Syan? BW couldnt match efficiency in a retail product, neither could Canaan, neither could Bitfury, neither could Ebang....the list goes on.

 Bitmain has NOT shown that level of efficiency, though they've shown somewhat CLOSE to it on the first few VERY UNRELIABLE batches of the S9 - and stopped trying on the later batches as the miners could NOT operate reliably when pushed that close to their bottom voltage spec for max efficiency.

 BitFury chips are used in the Hotmine X5/X6 line of miners, among others I don't remember offhand.

 BW doesn't SELL retail, you're arguing strawmen there - and we don't KNOW what the efficiency on their current miners ended up at, their CHIP level claims however did in fact beat Bitmain and were in Bitfury territory for their "3'd gen" 14/16nm chip design claims.

 Canaan beats Bitmain HANDS DOWN on reliability, at a cost in efficiency.

 I never mentioned EBang, YOU are the only one bringing them up.
 Another strawman argument since I never made ANY claim about them at all.


 It's nowhere near as cut and dried "Bitmain is the best" as you claim.

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October 07, 2017, 08:05:45 PM
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The S9 isn't best in class - Bitfury was showing similar efficiency to what Syan is claiming on their demo

Bitmain can also hit that efficiency with their chips and have shown it. I dont get how you can argue the S9 is not best in class right now by the numbers. Show me a bitfury miner I can purchase right now? Show me ANYONE thats ever seen a Syan? BW couldnt match efficiency in a retail product, neither could Canaan, neither could Bitfury, neither could Ebang....the list goes on.

 Bitmain has NOT shown that level of efficiency, though they've shown somewhat CLOSE to it on the first few VERY UNRELIABLE batches of the S9 - and stopped trying on the later batches as the miners could NOT operate reliably when pushed that close to their bottom voltage spec for max efficiency.

 BitFury chips are used in the Hotmine X5/X6 line of miners, among others I don't remember offhand.

 BW doesn't SELL retail, you're arguing strawmen there - and we don't KNOW what the efficiency on their current miners ended up at, their CHIP level claims however did in fact beat Bitmain and were in Bitfury territory for their "3'd gen" 14/16nm chip design claims.

 Canaan beats Bitmain HANDS DOWN on reliability, at a cost in efficiency.

 I never mentioned EBang, YOU are the only one bringing them up.
 Another strawman argument since I never made ANY claim about them at all.


 It's nowhere near as cut and dried "Bitmain is the best" as you claim.



I have a working s-9 from batch 1 or 2 down clocked  to 500 vs 600 as it has the old custom software.  and it does  .0985 watts  with a plat psu.

now if all my s-9s worked like this

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October 07, 2017, 11:52:51 PM
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They said 1st batch will actually start at the end of this month.
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October 08, 2017, 03:18:49 AM
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They said 1st batch will actually start at the end of this month.

Last thing I read was it was sold out.

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October 08, 2017, 07:31:52 AM
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The miner case looks a lot like Cooler Master HAF series pc case http://www.conrad.com/medias/global/ce/6000_6999/6000/6010/6018/1169075_ZB_00_FB.EPS_1000.jpg

And I wonder how they only have so little amount of pictures.
No interior pics, hash board pics.
I would be really careful with this, but can't say for sure if it is a scam.

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October 09, 2017, 12:33:44 AM
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They said 1st batch will actually start at the end of this month.

Last thing I read was it was sold out.

Thank you for your interest in the Vega Home Bitcoin Digital Currency Miner.
We expect to opening batch 1 for orders towards the end of this month or the start of November for shipping in January 2018. I have gone ahead and added you to the advanced notification list.
In the meantime, if you have any further questions, please let me know.
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October 09, 2017, 01:57:46 AM
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They said 1st batch will actually start at the end of this month.

Last thing I read was it was sold out.

Thank you for your interest in the Vega Home Bitcoin Digital Currency Miner.
We expect to opening batch 1 for orders towards the end of this month or the start of November for shipping in January 2018. I have gone ahead and added you to the advanced notification list.
In the meantime, if you have any further questions, please let me know.


I messaged them.  I will let you know if they reply.

I asked for a review unit at no cost up front.  I would review it and return it if I don't like it .  If I like it I would buy it at a fair price.

I told them I can provide reviews of other gear that was sent to  me. I told them I have help sales of companies after my reviews.

I don't send money to new companies  without at least one or two people that I  know that have received gear.

I simply say if they don't send one to me or some else well trusted here for reviews  that shows a lack of concern for miners.

So lets see if they send some gear to some of us.

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October 09, 2017, 07:05:16 PM
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They said 1st batch will actually start at the end of this month.

Last thing I read was it was sold out.

 Their site claims to be sold out - but that could be that they have it coded to say that when they have 0 inventory on hand.

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October 09, 2017, 07:34:20 PM
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They said 1st batch will actually start at the end of this month.

Last thing I read was it was sold out.

 Their site claims to be sold out - but that could be that they have it coded to say that when they have 0 inventory on hand.



I know ..


Right now I will check the emails to see if they bothered to reply.

Got a reply.


Hi Philip,

Thank you for your interest in the Vega Home Bitcoin Digital Currency Miner and for the links. I can see there is some sceptism there which is normal considering we have not shipped yet. Once batch 1 is shipped, it will be irrelevant.

Yes, we would be interested in you reviewing a unit. Please can you send links of your previous reviews?
Obviously we cannot send out units for review at "no cost" as you request, but, if you wish, once batch 1 is ready for shipping we will gladly send you a machine upon reciept of the full retail price, and will refund the same inc. shipping once your review is published, should you wish not to keep it.

Best regards,

Clive.

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October 09, 2017, 07:44:58 PM
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***  Syan miner is a SCAM! If someone buys their miners without a well-known and trusted Forum User 1st getting one for doing a review and posting it here then well, you have been warned ***
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Obviously we cannot send out units for review at "no cost" as you request, but, if you wish, once batch 1 is ready for shipping we will gladly send you a machine upon receipt of the full retail price, and will refund the same inc. shipping once your review is published, should you wish not to keep it.
In my book, swing and a miss....
Yes any business CAN and SHOULD send out demo units to a handful of trusted reviewers in here and the few other reputable cryptocoin Forums with no up front cost... Philipma certainly qualifies as one.

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Obviously we cannot send out units for review at "no cost" as you request, but, if you wish, once batch 1 is ready for shipping we will gladly send you a machine upon receipt of the full retail price, and will refund the same inc. shipping once your review is published, should you wish not to keep it.
In my book, swing and a miss....
Yes any business CAN and SHOULD send out demo units to a handful of trusted reviewers in here and the few other reputable cryptocoin Forums with no up front cost... Philipma certainly qualifies as one.

I like to be transparent  so this is my reply to them


Dear Clive ,

 Thanks for a fast reply.  I will link some reviews to you this evening.

bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1733723.0

This was for the pandaminer  .  It ended up as a negative  as pandaminer.com altered product and gave terrible support.

but I tend to be as honest as i can my first thoughts were that is was a good product and that it good be useful for large farms.

the current thread for your product bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2233298.0


Please look closely here  it show sound proofing of the avalon 741  I really want to compare  your gear  to this setup  to show your gear is better.

bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2245487.0

If your gear is better  then the avalon for sound proofing it will sell like mad. Your gears price is okay.  It hash per watt is okay.

I like to promote good gear.
I can clearly show how quiet your gear is.

Please get back to me on this.

Philip A

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October 09, 2017, 09:32:58 PM
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Sound is literally the least important aspect of miner hardware, especially to a company that would like to sell a large quantity of units. One decent sized farm places single orders most likely equal to an entire years worth of solo purchases from home users. There is no money to be made

What matters is price, efficiency, 30/60/90 day failure rates, and the ability to buy in bulk with reasonable shipping times.


Also, Syan is still saying all the wrong things if they are in fact a legit company. They offer a FIVE YEAR warranty on mining gear? How many color guard troops waving red flags does it take to clue people in?

Stop buying industrial miners, running them at home, and then complaining about the noise.
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October 09, 2017, 09:38:50 PM
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Sound is literally the least important aspect of miner hardware, especially to a company that would like to sell a large quantity of units. One decent sized farm places single orders most likely equal to an entire years worth of solo purchases from home users. There is no money to be made

What matters is price, efficiency, 30/60/90 day failure rates, and the ability to buy in bulk with reasonable shipping times.


Also, Syan is still saying all the wrong things if they are in fact a legit company. They offer a FIVE YEAR warranty on mining gear? How many color guard troops waving red flags does it take to clue people in?
Can't hurt to try and see if they're legit. If they're new to the mining scene they might just be inexperienced with everything, but lower sound could still be a small plus, even if it's not a huge bump up in sales. I do find it a little strange they aren't willing to distribute any units for review, though. Even one Hotmine gave out a few units of their Bitfury miner for review, and we all know how elusive those things are.














 

 

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