BFL Group buy - flowdab

[flowdab]

Hi everyone. I am purchasing a bit over a 100 chips from BFL and thought I would open this up to a group buy. I don't have a lot of reputation but would be willing to work this out via escrow through John K. or really whatever the group thinks is reasonable. I'm really not too picky but I am  purchasing these A.S.A.P. so I will likely close the group buy on Monday at 11:00 A.M.

Butterfly Labs will begin selling bulk chips to individuals and companies starting in June, 2013.  Chip delivery schedule is approximately 100 days through end packaging once your order is placed.  We will be providing reference documentation, reference design/schematics, and foundry receipt/documentation.

Chips will be graded and priced as follows:
Grade A: 16 Engines - $97/chip
Grade B: 15 Engines - $93/chip
Grade C: 14 Engines - $89/chip
Grade D: 13 Engines or less - $83/chip

Chip orders will require 50% down and 50% upon order delivery.  Payment can be made via BTC (preferred) or bank wire.

Advantages of BFL chips:
1/2 the power usage per GH as the closest competitor
1/10th the silicon area per GH as the closest competitor (Very high performance density)
You can use off the shelf heat sinks depending on your chip layout due to FCBGA package vs custom underside heat sinks as required on some QFN packages. You don't have to design and manufacture heat sinks!
Proven design currently operating in the field and ready to go.

I will be contacting John. K after I finish this message to see if he will be escrow. I am located in the US and will ship wherever is needed. Shipping and customs will be paid for by the buyer. I will charge a handling fee of .1 BTC fee per order of 50 chips or less and a .2 BTC per order of 50 chips or more.

I will be purchasing Grade A chips. If you would like to purchase other chips, that should be fine as it is my understanding that the chip minimum is not required for each separate Grade.

I will update this message as information becomes available. As I stated earlier, this will be purchased sometime on Monday so time is of the essence.

Cheers!

flow


I'm cancelling this group buy because I really just don't want to deal with all the shit that apparently comes with trying to help people out. I'm taking my ball and going home. Hopefully you can get some chips via the other group buy which is listed here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=223335.0

[Bicknellski]

Really... no one wants these useless chips. Why bother?

I wouldn't be throwing JohnK's name around like that before you even have any evidence these chips can be shipped... they can't even ship miners how are they going to get chips? They have 60,000 orders to fill in miners first right? Sad. Another ignore.

[ecliptic]

I will leave the question of escrow up to the buyers. I haven't talked to JohnK about it and he's expressed hesitation to escrow a BFL transaction.

Can you clarify this?   This sounds pretty damn important.  JohnK would be the guy to go to for escrow, and he doesn't want to do it for anything involving BFL?

Crossposting this here

[flowdab]

Didn't see this and I have written a pm to John.K.

Thanks for posting.

[flowdab]

Really... no one wants these useless chips. Why bother?

I wouldn't be throwing JohnK's name around like that before you even have any evidence these chips can be shipped... they can't even ship miners how are they going to get chips? They have 60,000 orders to fill in miners first right? Sad. Another ignore.

I'm not sure why the vitriol. I'm ordering these chips. I've reviewed the facts regarding their WORKING asic chips and feel this is a good decision for me to make with money I have earmarked for fun investment. If this doesn't fit your risk profile or this isn't your cup of tea then do feel free to ignore this post and the group buy. I thought since I'm ordering the minimum amount I might be able to help other bitcoiners out with a purchase if they wanted to do one.

[ecliptic]

It goes without saying you're going to need a top end escrow.

[flowdab]

It goes without saying you're going to need a top end escrow.

Of course. That is why I thought of JohnK.

[PuertoLibre]

It goes without saying you're going to need a top end escrow.

Of course. That is why I thought of JohnK.

After you think of him. Make sure to ACTUALLY CONTACT HIM...and get his approval first.

With a newbie such as yourself (or under a sock account) it tickles the mind that you may just be augmenting your own order using others funds. That is the risk.

Take the matters of Escrow seriously please. Because I seriously don't see how Escrow is protecting anyone in this specific situation.

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Scenario: John takes the money and orders the chips on your behalf. But then the order still goes to YOU and YOUR HOME Address. At that point it's all on faith that you will actually do your part and ship out the allotted chips to people who pitched in.

I can imagine why JohnK would be hesitant to start being the hub of these Bulk orders. You seriously need reputation references and/or need to tell us where you are in the world so people actually know where to "visit you" if you default on your obligations.

If you default, your gonna take JohnK good name with it.

You need to redo your intro. I could have slapped together a better intro....

Edit: Are you doing a 50% down payment and that is why you are doing escrow? Or are you aiming for the bulk discount at a higher dollar value?

[smoothie]

It goes without saying you're going to need a top end escrow.

Of course. That is why I thought of JohnK.

After you think of him. Make sure to ACTUALLY CONTACT HIM...and get his approval first.

With a newbie such as yourself (or under a sock account) it tickles the mind that you may just be augmenting your own order using others funds. That is the risk.

Take the matters of Escrow seriously please. Because I seriously don't see how Escrow is protecting anyone in this specific situation.

==========================

Scenario: John takes the money and orders the chips on your behalf. But then the order still goes to YOU and YOUR HOME Address. At that point it's all on faith that you will actually do your part and ship out the allotted chips to people who pitched in.

I can imagine why JohnK would be hesitant to start being the hub of these Bulk orders. You seriously need reputation references and/or need to tell us where you are in the world so people actually know where to "visit you" if you default on your obligations.

If you default, your gonna take JohnK good name with it.

You need to redo your intro. I could have slapped together a better intro....

+1

So many < 20 post accounts floating around...i wonder why 

[PeZ]

I believe I heard Yufi say these chips were two generations ahead of his.

TBH...while JohnK is experienced, he is making an awful lot of coin from this forum. There needs to be others to increase the competition in the escrow market. 

[PuertoLibre]

+1

So many < 20 post accounts floating around...i wonder why 

There be sharks!

[flowdab]

It goes without saying you're going to need a top end escrow.

Of course. That is why I thought of JohnK.

After you think of him. Make sure to ACTUALLY CONTACT HIM...and get his approval first.

I stated in the initial message that I was contacting him. I never said that he was involved at the current time. I have written him a PM asking if he would be willing to take part in this. He has not yet replied.

With a newbie such as yourself (or under a sock account) it tickles the mind that you may just be augmenting your own order using others funds. That is the risk.

Take the matters of Escrow seriously please. Because I seriously don't see how Escrow is protecting anyone in this specific situation.

Absolutely. The risk is via BFL, not via me. There is a risk that they could not ship or that the shipment could be massively delayed. That is the risk we ALL face. Trust me, I am well aware of it give the amount of money I am going to be giving to them.

==========================

Scenario: John takes the money and orders the chips on your behalf. But then the order still goes to YOU and YOUR HOME Address. At that point it's all on faith that you will actually do your part and ship out the allotted chips to people who pitched in.

I can imagine why JohnK would be hesitant to start being the hub of these Bulk orders. You seriously need reputation references and/or need to tell us where you are in the world so people actually know where to "visit you" if you default on your obligations.

If you default, your gonna take JohnK good name with it.

You need to redo your intro. I could have slapped together a better intro....

Edit: Are you doing a 50% down payment and that is why you are doing escrow? Or are you aiming for the bulk discount at a higher dollar value?

I think there may be some miscommunication. I am doing the escrow ONLY to make people feel better about the process. I posted this thread as I thought I could help people get chips who could not satisfy the minimum order as I am purchasing that amount myself. I'm not looking for a 50% down payment or a bulk discount. I just figured I'd give people an opportunity to get the chips.

Honestly, if I'm just going to get shit for this I'll just purchase the chips for myself and wish everyone a good day.

[flowdab]

+1

So many < 20 post accounts floating around...i wonder why 

There be sharks!

I recently joined the forum as I've only recently (beginning of April) gotten into bitcoin. I've been lucky enough to make some money via bitcoin where a bulk order is feasible for me to purchase on my own.

If anyone isn't comfortable with my post count they are free to disregard this opportunity.

[smoothie]

+1

So many < 20 post accounts floating around...i wonder why 

There be sharks!

I recently joined the forum as I've only recently (beginning of April) gotten into bitcoin. I've been lucky enough to make some money via bitcoin where a bulk order is feasible for me to purchase on my own.

If anyone isn't comfortable with my post count they are free to disregard this opportunity.

Obviously.

[KS]

Really... no one wants these useless chips. Why bother?

I wouldn't be throwing JohnK's name around like that before you even have any evidence these chips can be shipped... they can't even ship miners how are they going to get chips? They have 60,000 orders to fill in miners first right? Sad. Another ignore.

I'm not sure why the vitriol. I'm ordering these chips. I've reviewed the facts regarding their WORKING asic chips and feel this is a good decision for me to make with money I have earmarked for fun investment. If this doesn't fit your risk profile or this isn't your cup of tea then do feel free to ignore this post and the group buy. I thought since I'm ordering the minimum amount I might be able to help other bitcoiners out with a purchase if they wanted to do one.

Not even taking into account the post count (everybody has to start at zero, not an issue) this ^^ is total shill talk.

Keywords: reviewed the "facts", "working" asic, "good decision" for me, fun "investment", "risk profile", "help" other bitcoiners.

You have covered enough bases methinks.

[flowdab]

Really... no one wants these useless chips. Why bother?

I wouldn't be throwing JohnK's name around like that before you even have any evidence these chips can be shipped... they can't even ship miners how are they going to get chips? They have 60,000 orders to fill in miners first right? Sad. Another ignore.

I'm not sure why the vitriol. I'm ordering these chips. I've reviewed the facts regarding their WORKING asic chips and feel this is a good decision for me to make with money I have earmarked for fun investment. If this doesn't fit your risk profile or this isn't your cup of tea then do feel free to ignore this post and the group buy. I thought since I'm ordering the minimum amount I might be able to help other bitcoiners out with a purchase if they wanted to do one.

Not even taking into account the post count (everybody has to start at zero, not an issue) this ^^ is total shill talk.

Keywords: reviewed the "facts", "working" asic, "good decision" for me, fun "investment", "risk profile", "help" other bitcoiners.

You have covered enough bases methinks.

Alright guys. You win. I don't need to be talked down to or generalized as a "shill" when I'm just trying to help people out. FWIW everything I said was the complete truth, but I really am just not going to spend the next couple of days defending myself from people on the internet. I'm not sure if I can delete this thread but I'll update the original post.

Good day.

[smoothie]

Really... no one wants these useless chips. Why bother?

I wouldn't be throwing JohnK's name around like that before you even have any evidence these chips can be shipped... they can't even ship miners how are they going to get chips? They have 60,000 orders to fill in miners first right? Sad. Another ignore.

I'm not sure why the vitriol. I'm ordering these chips. I've reviewed the facts regarding their WORKING asic chips and feel this is a good decision for me to make with money I have earmarked for fun investment. If this doesn't fit your risk profile or this isn't your cup of tea then do feel free to ignore this post and the group buy. I thought since I'm ordering the minimum amount I might be able to help other bitcoiners out with a purchase if they wanted to do one.

Not even taking into account the post count (everybody has to start at zero, not an issue) this ^^ is total shill talk.

Keywords: reviewed the "facts", "working" asic, "good decision" for me, fun "investment", "risk profile", "help" other bitcoiners.

You have covered enough bases methinks.

What about the base of logic when looking at the feasibility of BFL actually delivering on their promise of chips in 100days or so despite of their track record which is the worst to date among bitcoin businesses?

[KS]

Really... no one wants these useless chips. Why bother?

I wouldn't be throwing JohnK's name around like that before you even have any evidence these chips can be shipped... they can't even ship miners how are they going to get chips? They have 60,000 orders to fill in miners first right? Sad. Another ignore.

I'm not sure why the vitriol. I'm ordering these chips. I've reviewed the facts regarding their WORKING asic chips and feel this is a good decision for me to make with money I have earmarked for fun investment. If this doesn't fit your risk profile or this isn't your cup of tea then do feel free to ignore this post and the group buy. I thought since I'm ordering the minimum amount I might be able to help other bitcoiners out with a purchase if they wanted to do one.

Not even taking into account the post count (everybody has to start at zero, not an issue) this ^^ is total shill talk.

Keywords: reviewed the "facts", "working" asic, "good decision" for me, fun "investment", "risk profile", "help" other bitcoiners.

You have covered enough bases methinks.

What about the base of logic when looking at the feasibility of BFL actually delivering on their promise of chips in 100days or so despite of their track record which is the worst to date among bitcoin businesses?

A lot of people seem to forget about logic when ASICs are mentioned. They also forget about facts. That's what greed does to you.

I'm sorry for flowdab if he's genuine (which would make him a gentle fool), but that kind of talk just lights up the alarms board like it was Christmas.

[smoothie]

Hi everyone. I am purchasing a bit over a 100 chips from BFL and thought I would open this up to a group buy. I don't have a lot of reputation but would be willing to work this out via escrow through John K. or really whatever the group thinks is reasonable. I'm really not too picky but I am  purchasing these A.S.A.P. so I will likely close the group buy on Monday at 11:00 A.M.

Butterfly Labs will begin selling bulk chips to individuals and companies starting in June, 2013.  Chip delivery schedule is approximately 100 days through end packaging once your order is placed.  We will be providing reference documentation, reference design/schematics, and foundry receipt/documentation.

Chips will be graded and priced as follows:
Grade A: 16 Engines - $97/chip
Grade B: 15 Engines - $93/chip
Grade C: 14 Engines - $89/chip
Grade D: 13 Engines or less - $83/chip

Chip orders will require 50% down and 50% upon order delivery.  Payment can be made via BTC (preferred) or bank wire.

Advantages of BFL chips:
1/2 the power usage per GH as the closest competitor
1/10th the silicon area per GH as the closest competitor (Very high performance density)
You can use off the shelf heat sinks depending on your chip layout due to FCBGA package vs custom underside heat sinks as required on some QFN packages. You don't have to design and manufacture heat sinks!
Proven design currently operating in the field and ready to go.

I will be contacting John. K after I finish this message to see if he will be escrow. I am located in the US and will ship wherever is needed. Shipping and customs will be paid for by the buyer. I will charge a handling fee of .1 BTC fee per order of 50 chips or less and a .2 BTC per order of 50 chips or more.

I will be purchasing Grade A chips. If you would like to purchase other chips, that should be fine as it is my understanding that the chip minimum is not required for each separate Grade.

I will update this message as information becomes available. As I stated earlier, this will be purchased sometime on Monday so time is of the essence.

Cheers!

flow


I'm cancelling this group buy because I really just don't want to deal with all the shit that apparently comes with trying to help people out. I'm taking my ball and going home. Hopefully you can get some chips via the other group buy which is listed here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=223335.0

  You don't realize how much stress and heartache you just saved yourself.

 

[PuertoLibre]

Hi everyone. I am purchasing a bit over a 100 chips from BFL and thought I would open this up to a group buy. I don't have a lot of reputation but would be willing to work this out via escrow through John K. or really whatever the group thinks is reasonable. I'm really not too picky but I am  purchasing these A.S.A.P. so I will likely close the group buy on Monday at 11:00 A.M.

Butterfly Labs will begin selling bulk chips to individuals and companies starting in June, 2013.  Chip delivery schedule is approximately 100 days through end packaging once your order is placed.  We will be providing reference documentation, reference design/schematics, and foundry receipt/documentation.

Chips will be graded and priced as follows:
Grade A: 16 Engines - $97/chip
Grade B: 15 Engines - $93/chip
Grade C: 14 Engines - $89/chip
Grade D: 13 Engines or less - $83/chip

Chip orders will require 50% down and 50% upon order delivery.  Payment can be made via BTC (preferred) or bank wire.

Advantages of BFL chips:
1/2 the power usage per GH as the closest competitor
1/10th the silicon area per GH as the closest competitor (Very high performance density)
You can use off the shelf heat sinks depending on your chip layout due to FCBGA package vs custom underside heat sinks as required on some QFN packages. You don't have to design and manufacture heat sinks!
Proven design currently operating in the field and ready to go.

I will be contacting John. K after I finish this message to see if he will be escrow. I am located in the US and will ship wherever is needed. Shipping and customs will be paid for by the buyer. I will charge a handling fee of .1 BTC fee per order of 50 chips or less and a .2 BTC per order of 50 chips or more.

I will be purchasing Grade A chips. If you would like to purchase other chips, that should be fine as it is my understanding that the chip minimum is not required for each separate Grade.

I will update this message as information becomes available. As I stated earlier, this will be purchased sometime on Monday so time is of the essence.

Cheers!

flow


I'm cancelling this group buy because I really just don't want to deal with all the shit that apparently comes with trying to help people out. I'm taking my ball and going home. Hopefully you can get some chips via the other group buy which is listed here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=223335.0

Keep in mind that MrTeal is well regarded and has a higher reputation on these forums.

That guy knows what he is doing.