S.MG - The Ministry of Games.

[Lohoris]

That's not what people mean when they talk about things rivaling other things. It's about cultural impact. In the context of gamer culture the things that rival nethack are ADVENT, Space Invaders, Elite, スーパーマリオブラザーズ or id Software's 1992 Castle Wolfenstein remake. Your copy with a few bits slapped on is not one of these.

Exactly.

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[ffssixtynine]

I may have been on the fence over the fund if it wasn't for your attitude, but if anyone asked me now whether to work for MP I'd say no way and point them here. It makes the fund wreak of lack of professionalism. Don't you see that?

A. Stop interjecting yourself in the discussions of adults as if you were one. You aren't one.
B. Learn to spell.
C. Look up what words mean, read up on what's being discussed. S.MG is not a "fund".

I love you. You're amazing!

[usagi]

That's not what people mean when they talk about things rivaling other things. It's about cultural impact. In the context of gamer culture the things that rival nethack are ADVENT, Space Invaders, Elite, スーパーマリオブラザーズ or id Software's 1992 Castle Wolfenstein remake. Your copy with a few bits slapped on is not one of these.

Exactly.

Oh, I completely agree. I have no intention of challenging Nethack's cultural impact. But that is not what I said. It's quite clear that Netwhack is just a toy game I made to see if I could do it; I presented it as something I did in my spare time, I was quite clear about that. The point was, "that's something I did in my spare time, what have you done?"

I brought it up as my way of showing why I am in this discussion. To show that what I say is the perspective of someone who is a competent programmer and who has studied and practiced the art of game design from many angles. If you want to talk practice and experience it's fair to say there are many others here (thestringpuller, ff) who are far more experienced and involved in the industry than I am. But it is also fair to say that I am as far above someone like greyhawk as tsp and ff are from me.

But, it's really not that important. As I have said before, I would really like S.MG to succeed, because I want to play a new game. It's really that simple for me. I've long since given up trying to figure out why they choose the hard way forward. It will be an interesting social experiment; if they succeed, how they do it, and if they fail, how they will handle it. I'm not even interested in which scenario is more likely. I guess you could say my point is, I wrote netwhack ten years ago, and today, S.MG has nothing. And try as they might to surpass what little toy game I have written, so far I see nothing on the table except a lot of insults hurled at people who know better and who have accomplished far more.

[greyhawk]

But it is also fair to say that I am as far above someone like greyhawk as tsp and ff are from me.

Don't kid yourself.  Just because I left the gaming industry some 15 years ago for better paying and more relaxing pastures doesn't mean I don't know anything about it anymore. The more things change, the more they stay the same, especially in this industry.

[Lohoris]

The point was, "that's something I did in my spare time, what have you done?"

Oh, I see, it makes sense.

Problem is that he thinks he need no previous experience to do that, and this path always lead to spectacular failures.

I would really like S.MG to succeed, because I want to play a new game. It's really that simple for me.

I understand, but for the sake of the Industry, I want him to fail: such an arrogant and ignorant person can be quite harmful, and we would stay much better if people like him wouldn't try to meddle in things they don't understand.
"We" is both people in game development, and, to a lesser extent, players themselves.

[usagi]

But it is also fair to say that I am as far above someone like greyhawk as tsp and ff are from me.

Don't kid yourself.  Just because I left the gaming industry some 15 years ago for better paying and more relaxing pastures doesn't mean I don't know anything about it anymore. The more things change, the more they stay the same, especially in this industry.

There's a difference between kidding yourself and not knowing something. Once you are told, you have the opportunity to learn. I'm happy to say I learned something today. Thanks, greyhawk.

[Peter Lambert]

The point was, "that's something I did in my spare time, what have you done?"

Oh, I see, it makes sense.

Problem is that he thinks he need no previous experience to do that, and this path always lead to spectacular failures.

I would really like S.MG to succeed, because I want to play a new game. It's really that simple for me.

I understand, but for the sake of the Industry, I want him to fail: such an arrogant and ignorant person can be quite harmful, and we would stay much better if people like him wouldn't try to meddle in things they don't understand.
"We" is both people in game development, and, to a lesser extent, players themselves.

Who is being arrogant now? We can't have anybody shake the boat of our precious "industry"!

[freedomno1]

Until the game is released we can only vent 

[Lohoris]

Who is being arrogant now?

Oh, come on, have you read his posts?

[MPOE-PR]

Who is being arrogant now?

Oh, come on, have you read his posts?

At the rate you're going you'll be this month's avatar of bitcointalk idiocy.

[nubbins]

At the rate you're going you'll be this month's avatar of bitcointalk idiocy.

3/10, have some coffee and breakfast and try again

[Lohoris]

Who is being arrogant now?

Oh, come on, have you read his posts?

At the rate you're going you'll be this month's avatar of bitcointalk idiocy.

How appropriate, you fight like a cow!

[greyhawk]

There's a difference between kidding yourself and not knowing something. Once you are told, you have the opportunity to learn. I'm happy to say I learned something today. Thanks, greyhawk.

In that case, here's another thing to learn:

http://www.sec.gov/News/PressRelease/Detail/PressRelease/1370539730583

Hope your secret underground base is secret and stuff.

[tinus42]

There's a difference between kidding yourself and not knowing something. Once you are told, you have the opportunity to learn. I'm happy to say I learned something today. Thanks, greyhawk.

In that case, here's another thing to learn:

http://www.sec.gov/News/PressRelease/Detail/PressRelease/1370539730583

Hope your secret underground base is secret and stuff.

Good, Pirate is about to be hanged or made to walk the plank. As was custom 200 years ago.

Of course the present day pirate Jon Corzine who ran away with millions of MF Global deposits will still escape scott free.

Memo to prospective pirates today: get politically connected.

[nubbins]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Me: "That guy's fucked."
Pascale: "Good, he SHOULD be fucked."

Heavy lels indeed

[freedomno1]

There's a difference between kidding yourself and not knowing something. Once you are told, you have the opportunity to learn. I'm happy to say I learned something today. Thanks, greyhawk.

In that case, here's another thing to learn:

http://www.sec.gov/News/PressRelease/Detail/PressRelease/1370539730583

Hope your secret underground base is secret and stuff.

Good, Pirate is about to be hanged or made to walk the plank. As was custom 200 years ago.

Of course the present day pirate Jon Corzine who ran away with millions of MF Global deposits will still escape scott free.

Memo to prospective pirates today: get politically connected.

They found Trendon now that is newsworthy

[usagi]

There's a difference between kidding yourself and not knowing something. Once you are told, you have the opportunity to learn. I'm happy to say I learned something today. Thanks, greyhawk.

In that case, here's another thing to learn:

http://www.sec.gov/News/PressRelease/Detail/PressRelease/1370539730583

Hope your secret underground base is secret and stuff.

That doesn't make sense. But for what it's worth, I know you tried. Good work, greyhawk!

[zy02264]

Went through 10 pages and still don't get what do you mean by "game".
Are you talking about developing gambling games like Satoshi Dice to have people put BTCs in and get part of their investment (hopefully) back?
Or you are talking about general computer games like World of Warcraft?

BTW, what just happened on BTCT, feeling like on a roller coaster, anyone can fill me in?

[Peter Lambert]

Went through 10 pages and still don't get what do you mean by "game".
Are you talking about developing gambling games like Satoshi Dice to have people put BTCs in and get part of their investment (hopefully) back?
Or you are talking about general computer games like World of Warcraft?

BTW, what just happened on BTCT, feeling like on a roller coaster, anyone can fill me in?

Did you read the linked trilema posts? The main game being developed currently is a MMORPG with a real cash economy.

The BTCT TAT.MINIGAME is just a pass-through, and the number of shares is not very large, so it is easy to spike the price upward (or downward) without really affecting the overall evaluation of S.MG.

[zy02264]

Went through 10 pages and still don't get what do you mean by "game".
Are you talking about developing gambling games like Satoshi Dice to have people put BTCs in and get part of their investment (hopefully) back?
Or you are talking about general computer games like World of Warcraft?

BTW, what just happened on BTCT, feeling like on a roller coaster, anyone can fill me in?

Did you read the linked trilema posts? The main game being developed currently is a MMORPG with a real cash economy.

The BTCT TAT.MINIGAME is just a pass-through, and the number of shares is not very large, so it is easy to spike the price upward (or downward) without really affecting the overall evaluation of S.MG.

Thank you! Crystal clear now