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October 20, 2017, 07:43:45 PM
Last edit: October 21, 2017, 04:44:04 PM by notserp
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i got Bisping at +132 along time ago for the max on nitro wish i could have put more down, hopefully the line will go back up closer to fight time so i can put more on it.
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October 20, 2017, 08:01:45 PM
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I've noticed some like these mmamania write ups. This one is devoted towards Bellator 185 whose main card begins in about 6 hours from now.

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185 lbs.: Gegard Mousasi (42-6-2) vs. Alexander Shlemenko (56-9, 1 NC)

It’s staggering to consider that the two competitors in Friday’s main event have well over 100 professional fights between them combined. It’s even more staggering when you consider their respective ages: Mousasi is only 32 and Shlemenko is 33. It’s amazing just how indestructible these two men seem to be, especially given neither one has lost in five straight fights. The only thing that dogs either of these men is the fact Shlemenko failed a drug test, so some might wonder if any of his other performances up to that point were chemically enhanced. Since he tested clean before and after his dominant Bellator 162 win it may be his slate is now clean.

There’s a lot to prove for both men despite their recent win streaks. Only one of Shlemenko’s five wins came in a fight outside of Russia, so it’s hard to believe “Storm” Shlemenko didn’t benefit from some favorable booking via M-1 Challenge. Mousasi has an axe to grind after obliterating one top Middleweight after another via knockout from Vitor Belfort to Chris Weidman, yet despite his dominance he felt he was “getting screwed” on being paid what he was worth. That’s why when push came to shove and his contract ran out Mousasi signed a six fight deal with Bellator so he could show everybody that he deserves the money AND the main event spot.
Who takes advantage of the spotlight in Uncasville to further their agenda and potentially work toward a Middleweight title shot against Rafael Carvalho? Both men are knockout artists, with Shlemenko earning 31 in 56 wins (55%) and Mousasi earning 23 in 42 wins (also 55%). That suggests a coin flip in a striking exchange UNTIL you look at their size. Mousasi stands 6’2” and sports a 76” reach, while Shlemenko is 5’11” with a 71” reach. While Shlemenko was fed suitable opponents for his style including in his Bellator 162 return, Mousasi was facing submission artists like Thales Leites and men who had previously beaten him like Uriah Hall.
A fight is a fight and a win is a win but from where I stand Mousasi has faced and proven himself against much better competition. A failure here would vindicate UFC not matching Bellator’s offer to keep him and I can’t imagine more powerful motivation to do well. What motivates Shlemenko? Maybe he wants the title back at some point, but if he doesn’t earn a title shot, he can go home and get more fights from M-1 Challenge from now until whenever he retires.

Final prediction: Gegard Mousasi wins by technical knockout in the second round

155 lbs.: Ryan Quinn (13-7-1) vs. Marcus Surin (4-0)

Originally “Irish Bad Boy” Brennan Ward was looking for a quick rebound fight after being submitted at Bellator 182 in August, but an expected Welterweight tilt with “Caveman” David Rickels will have to wait as Ward withdrew from this card late due to injury. As a result a brand new fight has been bumped to the main card featuring both a familiar Bellator fight and a new prospect making his promotional debut on Friday.

Ryan Quinn’s tenure goes all the way back to Bellator 15 in 2010, where he picked up his first promotional win by unanimous decision against Matt Lee. Quinn had a mixed record outside of the promotion but inside of it he was 7-0 until he ran into Saad Awad in April. Quinn is an American Top Team veteran with a BJJ black belt, holding four wins by submission, but his opponent Surin is a knockout artist with 50% of fights in his young career leaving opponents flat. When the hard handed Awad tagged Quinn he repeatedly shot for takedowns and got swept. Surin won’t even give him that chance.
Final prediction: Marcus Surin wins by knockout in the second round

170 lbs.: Neiman Gracie (6-0) vs. Zak Bucia (18-8)

The name Gracie carries high expectations, expectations that decorated jiu-jitsu medalist Neiman Gracie has thus far managed to live up to. All but one of his six MMA wins have ended by submission, and a typical bout doesn’t get past the halfway point of the second round. He faces an opponent in Zak Bucia who obviously has more pro MMA experience. Somehow I don’t think any of that is going to matter once Gracie takes him to the ground. I’ve been watching him do this for four years now and he’s as good as billed so unless Bucia starts quick and lights him up standing it will go badly for him.

Final prediction: Neiman Gracie wins via rear naked choke in round one

125 lbs.: Heather Hardy (1-0) vs. Kristina Williams (0-0)

I don’t think we need to expound upon this one for very long. Although their MMA records suggest a nearly equal amount of inexperience it couldn’t be further from the truth. Hardy is an undefeated pro boxer with a 20-0 record nicknamed “The Heat.” She showed exactly what kind of heat she can bring to mixed martial arts by beating Alice Yauger at Bellator 180, and I expect her to showcase more of the same against a fighter ill equipped to make a debut against such a seasoned striking veteran.

Final prediction: Heather Hardy finishes Williams with strikes in round one

125 lbs.: Ana Julaton (2-2) vs. Lisa Blaine (1-0)

Don’t let Ana Julaton’s record fool you. Even though her mixed martial arts line may be middling, the boxer turned MMA fighter compiled a 14-4-1 record in the ring before transitioning to the cage, winning the Women's WBO Super Bantamweight and IBA Super Bantamweight titles in the process. Her hand speed has earned her the nickname “Hurricane,” but the “Hurricane” must face the “Insane” Lisa Blaine on Friday. Even though Blaine only has one pro fight, she beat Tammy Worrick by TKO at 2:23 of the second round, so her hands might be “alright.” It may be a theme here for the Flyweights but I’ve got to pick the boxer with the better striking experience here.

Final prediction: Ana Julaton finishes Lisa Blaine by knockout in the second round
That’s a wrap!

https://www.mmamania.com/2017/10/19/16341524/bellator-185-predictions-preview-mousasi-vs-shlemenko-spike-tv-mma

Summary:  MMAmania predictions as follows.

Gegard Mousasi > Alexander Shlemenko
Marcus Surin > Ryan Quinn
Neiman Gracie > Zak Bucia
Heather Hardy > Kristina Williams
Ana Julaton > Lisa Blaine

Not certain what mmamania's overall win vs loss record is. At the least it might provide decent exposition and background info on some of the fighters people may not have heard of.

Gegard Mousasi and Alexander Shlemenko are the only two fighters on this card I can remember seeing fight. I have Mousasi winning. Shlemenko has improved his kickboxing a lot of late though. It will be interesting to see how much he has progressed.
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October 20, 2017, 09:17:49 PM
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https://degenbet.com/ufc-217-bisping-vs-gsp/

I like Bisping to win this, I think you get some nice odds with him as a slight underdog.

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October 20, 2017, 11:22:01 PM
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@krach. In your article you mentioned that Chael Sonnen and Dan Henderson are probably the strongest wrestlers Michael has faced in the octagon. How does George's wrestling to both of them and what can he do to bring something new in this fight to surprise Michael?

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October 29, 2017, 03:00:41 PM
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Did anyone see that Khabib Nurmagomedov will fight Edson Barboza in UFC217? did anyone get dropped and got replaced with these guys or there were free spots for this fight?

This fight is huge, I want to see it more than Bisping vs GSP to be honest. Khabib is undefeated and I think will be the next fight for Conor after Tony Ferguson. I would like to see an undefeated Khabib fight Conor so I hope he wins. Also noticed how short Khabib's reach is. 70 inch reach for a 5'11 guy is pretty short. Barboza got 75 reach at 5'10'' and Conor got 74 reach at 5'9''. I guess Khabib is not going to try to throw hands and just constantly go for the takedown.
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October 29, 2017, 04:47:02 PM
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Bisping is the kind of fighter who will charge and doesn't care if he will end up flat on his back that's why on his first square off with Hendo, he got KOd but on the 2nd square off, still the same fighting style but a little more careful and he may have studied Hendos fighting style, his face ended up bloodied but he won. GSPs fight is more technical but watching his last fights in UFC, he seems like he just want to hold on to the title and always play safe. We may have a good fight this coming Saturday and I hope GSP will be aggressive and try to KO Bisping and not run away to play safe.
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October 30, 2017, 04:14:26 PM
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@krach. In your article you mentioned that Chael Sonnen and Dan Henderson are probably the strongest wrestlers Michael has faced in the octagon. How does George's wrestling to both of them and what can he do to bring something new in this fight to surprise Michael?

He can try to out volume him, on the feet so that Bisping has to take more chances and that might open up an easier takedown. GSP is very athletic , maybe he will try some head kicks or something else we have not seen him use a lot.

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October 31, 2017, 02:13:55 PM
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Did anyone see that Khabib Nurmagomedov will fight Edson Barboza in UFC217? did anyone get dropped and got replaced with these guys or there were free spots for this fight?

This fight is huge, I want to see it more than Bisping vs GSP to be honest. Khabib is undefeated and I think will be the next fight for Conor after Tony Ferguson. I would like to see an undefeated Khabib fight Conor so I hope he wins. Also noticed how short Khabib's reach is. 70 inch reach for a 5'11 guy is pretty short. Barboza got 75 reach at 5'10'' and Conor got 74 reach at 5'9''. I guess Khabib is not going to try to throw hands and just constantly go for the takedown.

It's at 219.

And Khabib after McGregor vs Ferguson?  No way.  Khabib dropped out from fighting Ferguson and he ruined his chances to be on the way to get a crack at the belt.  The UFC should make him wait.  But we'll see.  

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October 31, 2017, 07:03:41 PM
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Got a feeling Bisping is going to lose this one, he’s already had 7 losses in his career & he’s only champion because the best guys are past their peak.

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October 31, 2017, 08:16:52 PM
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Got a feeling Bisping is going to lose this one, he’s already had 7 losses in his career & he’s only champion because the best guys are past their peak.

I think so as well. Bisping is one of the luckiest champion and he is the weakest. While GSP has been a champion and its very relax on the cage and seems to be focus. And I also believed that he challenged Bisping because he thinks that he can beat him easily. And he will not make his comeback if he thinks that his mind and body is not ready plus the opportunity presents itself to him to fight for the belt in his comeback.
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@krach. In your article you mentioned that Chael Sonnen and Dan Henderson are probably the strongest wrestlers Michael has faced in the octagon. How does George's wrestling to both of them and what can he do to bring something new in this fight to surprise Michael?
George is a perfectionist and he always get the right coaching staff always,to deal with Bisping and his striking he has Freddie Roach in his corner and his game plan will be to take Bisping down and score points every round and that is his natural game plan,his long lay off is the only factor in this fight and i am not sure how that will affect his game plan,only after seeing the first few minutes we could determine how the fight is going .
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October 31, 2017, 09:59:57 PM
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Don't follow me on this but I have Bisping winning.

GSP might have broke mentally when he fought Johny Hendricks. Something happened to GSP after that fight where he lost his nerve and didn't want to fight anymore. I think its a long and hard road for GSP to climb back into the cage and the odds are against him.

GSP has also been a one dimensional fighter throughout his career. Either GSP jabs his way to decision wins or he takes his opponents down. That doesn't leave GSP with a lot of options if he someone shuts down the two ways he has to win fights the way Johny Hendricks did. Also I think MMA has evolved since GSP retired. Everyone has improved. GSP was always a small welterweight. There are pictures of GSP standing next to Conor McGregor and they're both close to the same size.

This my resemble and thorough and confident analysis but its really not. I could easily see GSP winning the fight.

There's an alternative analysis which says the reason GSP stepped away from MMA had to do with his former manager being awarded rights to big chunks of GSP's paychecks by a judge even though they had parted ways years ago. GSP might have quit MMA due to him not wanting his former manager to get a cut of his UFC salary. So there are a few competing theories for explaining why things happen and not everything is necessarily etched in stone.
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November 01, 2017, 11:36:10 AM
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i think Bisping vs GSP result will be like machida vs brunson,1-2 round bisping TKO  . too long gsp was on holidays
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November 01, 2017, 11:57:50 AM
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Another great card in this year, 3 main events with the belt. I'm surprised Bisping odds is bigger than GSP, I mean Bisping is not that bad and I feel like GSP era is already done. About Cody Garbrandt vs T.J. Dillashaw, this is a must watch match.
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So with Freddie Roach on Georges St Pierre's corner does that change the odds? I am siding with Michael Bisping on this fight but after I saw a video clip Boxings hall of Famer Freddie Roach I think GSP has a bigger chance to to win this fight as Freddie Roach is helping him with his striking skills. GSPs ground game is good but if he adds striking to his arsenal, he may disappoint Bisping this coming Saturday.

I've seen Freddie Roach make Mike Tyson a changed Boxer after training him. Without Roach, Tyson rely more on his power punches but after Roach stepped in the training camp, Tyson is ducking punches, moves faster and his punch is more precise.
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So with Freddie Roach on Georges St Pierre's corner does that change the odds? I am siding with Michael Bisping on this fight but after I saw a video clip Boxings hall of Famer Freddie Roach I think GSP has a bigger chance to to win this fight as Freddie Roach is helping him with his striking skills. GSPs ground game is good but if he adds striking to his arsenal, he may disappoint Bisping this coming Saturday.

I've seen Freddie Roach make Mike Tyson a changed Boxer after training him. Without Roach, Tyson rely more on his power punches but after Roach stepped in the training camp, Tyson is ducking punches, moves faster and his punch is more precise.

As much as I loved Freddie Roach, I don't think it will add up any value to Georges St. Pierre. I think we have seen Freddie's best days, Pacquiao is declining I can't remember any of his stable boxers making a scene in the boxing world so for me there's nothing special having Freddie on GSP's corner.

The Tyson thing is different I think, he just honed Tyson because that guy has already punching power. And as time progresses Freddie's style is somewhat outdated plus the physical deterioration he has makes him less trainer than he used to be.

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Hey guys, just dropping by to post some videos.  Enjoy watching them and I hope it doesn't affect your decision making when making your bets.  Wink  These vids are known to hype the event.

Which comes down to my question...  Do you think Rose Namajunas can get lucky against JJ?  Odds on here at Nitrogen seems to look like it's value.

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Bisping to win here, even though he is a veteran fighter I think he has peaked late, he’s a very dangerous man atm. Bisping by KO or TKO.

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@DeathAngel. Michael Bisping is merely having a string of good fights and some luck with how judges scored them. But his skills are the same as it were, showing only minor improvement.

GSP has a better chance to win this. Have you also watched their faceoff yet? The size difference between the two is not that great. Many casual fans make the mistake of thinking that this will be like David versus Goliath.


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GSP by tko round 2.

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