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October 13, 2017, 07:24:35 AM
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Hi guys!

When i speak with a mutual friend about buying bitcoin, they all say to me, that they don't have enough to invest in. Not because they are poor, just because they think they only can buy a WHOLE BTC at one time. They don't know that they could even invest like 100$ and having an ammount of mBTC or even satoshis.

I would appreciate to read your thoughts about this topic!

greetz Twelve.
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October 13, 2017, 07:27:37 AM
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because they are not educated about this crypto world, i don't see any problem to explain them (like you would explain to a 12 years old kid) what really Bitcoin is, and in particular satoshi.
"They don't know", it's your time to let them know how this works, educate them, they will thank you later!
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October 13, 2017, 07:32:46 AM
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What if the main selling-sites would sell mBTC instead of BTC?

1 mBTC = 5$ (there would be, imo a lot more buyers)
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1 BTC = 5'000$
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October 13, 2017, 07:33:31 AM
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Yes, the bitcoin price is getting high enough that it is becoming difficult for some people to think in terms of whole bitcoins. For smaller transactions we may need to start using mBTC or "bit cents" (0.01 BTC). It seems silly for those of us who are accustomed to dealing with mathematics, but the size of numbers can really be a psychological barrier for some people. So having 500 mBTC can seem like a significant amount of money but if it is stated as 0.5 BTC it somehow seems like a much smaller amount even though mathematically it is the same.
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October 13, 2017, 08:46:10 AM
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The price per bitcoin can really be intimidating for small-time people looking to put their money into it. You can buy a secondhand car with that price! But I agree with the comment above. Some exchanges could go out of their own way to try and advertise mBTC on their site together with price per BTC. In that way, those people who doesn't really know that bitcoin could be cut in smaller denominations can now be more inquisitive and curious about the coin.
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October 13, 2017, 08:49:06 AM
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let's start a publicity campain! Cheesy
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October 13, 2017, 08:52:08 AM
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I guess it could be a barrier because the staggering price tag would discourage newbies not knowing you could buy fractional amounts. This is more of a problem of ignorance though. As for the main problem for mass adoption, I would say it's the slow transaction confirmations. It simply cannot compete with fiat and/or credit cards when it comes to this area. It's currently the slowest payment option.
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October 13, 2017, 09:01:46 AM
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What if the main selling-sites would sell mBTC instead of BTC?

1 mBTC = 5$ (there would be, imo a lot more buyers)
than
1 BTC = 5'000$

That idea has been floated more than once, i like it but it raises more problem than it solves ( overcomplification, large scale agreements with wallet devs, exchanges and platforms, massive and costly info campaigns etc ).

If people could just stop creating shitcoin-alts Bitcoin clones like bitcoin cash, bitcoin gold, bitcoin red, bitcoin blue, bitcoin silver that would be a good start, i can't tell you how many retarded comments i've had from most of my non-Btc friends when the so called "fork" occurred this summer.  
I had to do A LOT of education to get people right on track from the media FUD ( at my small level ) .


So for a start, maybe we should stop giving credit to these P.O.S. ( pieces of shit not proof of stake ) clones of Bitcoin and call them out for what they really are : Cypto-financial acts terrorism and textbook brand parasitism, but since none of the Bitcoin material is copyrighted, they can just keep getting away with it.

These people are financial criminals and should be shot in the head, they are no better than Madoff , Richard Fuld or Greenspan in my book.

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October 13, 2017, 09:07:47 AM
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What if the main selling-sites would sell mBTC instead of BTC?

1 mBTC = 5$ (there would be, imo a lot more buyers)
than
1 BTC = 5'000$

Actually, that would make it much better, as some Exchange are cutting decimal places or only allowing 2 -> 0.01 BTC
That will be a problem in future an in case btc will reach >10'000 (what will happen for sure Smiley )
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October 13, 2017, 09:09:39 AM
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You could explain to them the wonders of cryptocurrencies or just bitcoin if you want to be specific, they can invest a sufficient amount to bitcoin and earn if they are well informed about what they are doing. I suggest you do.
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October 13, 2017, 09:13:47 AM
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it is not really a serious problem though. people think of bitcoin as something weird or maybe out of ordinary but in fact bitcoin is just like anything else. and the price and how much you buy,... is also like anything else.

next time you see someone say I can not afford 1 whole bitcoin ask them about when they invest in gold, do they buy 1 whole gold bar (like buying 10 kg of gold!) or are they buying small amounts. that is why the smaller scales exist anyways. you buy 1 ounce of gold, 1 gram, or something like that not 1 Ton!

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October 13, 2017, 09:35:14 AM
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Honestly people dont believe in bitcoin and its profitable potential. Fact that one can by fractions of one bitcoin is not known to many. You can try to show it yourself to them so that they believe it. However if they did their own research they would know that one bitcoin is divisible upto 8 decimal places and hence it is possible to buy and sell fractions of bitcoin.
The main problem of mass adoption is the scare tactics shown by many propaganda news and the way they make it look bad. Everyone is cautious about their money obviously.

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October 13, 2017, 09:38:44 AM
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Hi guys!

When i speak with a mutual friend about buying bitcoin, they all say to me, that they don't have enough to invest in. Not because they are poor, just because they think they only can buy a WHOLE BTC at one time. They don't know that they could even invest like 100$ and having an ammount of mBTC or even satoshis.

I would appreciate to read your thoughts about this topic!

greetz Twelve.
This is the  thought of most people and many people think that they spend too little money investing will not get much profit from it.
There are many people think  invest at least 1 btc to make a profit. They were really wrong to think so.
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October 13, 2017, 09:57:04 AM
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 Wink Hey
First of all I think you should have explained them how it works. Yes mass adoption do have some problems but its nice for the globe as a whole at the end Smiley , the people who doesn't know about bitcoins need to be educated by the people who knows about them, its not that they aren't actually interested in Bitcoins but they don't know about the right platform to get information from, most people Prefer to search on google and trust me I have tried its never right.. also 90% of them don't have someone to ask from thus its d reason why begineers section is posted here... Its also the reason who people don't know about any platform to get information about it , to know how to use it, to make an investment no matter how small it is or..to earn..and hold even if they can't make an investment.
You know its  never... Easy.. to know about bitcoins correctly, thus its.. Our responsibility to educate them also ' knowledge is meant to be distributed'
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October 13, 2017, 09:57:35 AM
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this is a problem but not the main problem at all.

there are a lot of other issues preventing (or at the very least slowing) mass adoption.
issues such as scaling, all the debate about it that lasted nearly 3 years, the high price volatility, no regulations, sometimes even regulations themselves when they are restrictive, and some more that i can not currently think of.
but all these are the problems for mass adoption to happen way before the "1 whole bitcoin is too expensive" issue.

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October 13, 2017, 09:59:38 AM
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Hi guys!

When i speak with a mutual friend about buying bitcoin, they all say to me, that they don't have enough to invest in. Not because they are poor, just because they think they only can buy a WHOLE BTC at one time. They don't know that they could even invest like 100$ and having an ammount of mBTC or even satoshis.

I would appreciate to read your thoughts about this topic!

greetz Twelve.
Hi Mr Twelve Smiley
I think Btc is still considered as a "geek thing", but young generations adapt quickly.

Interesting article here about your concern > https://techcrunch.com/2017/04/20/whats-keeping-cryptocurrencies-from-mass-adoption/

Speculators flocked to Bitcoin and many of the alt-coins in hopes of getting in early and making a big exit, but everyday users haven’t warmed to cryptocurrencies.

There are many reasons why, but one of the largest barriers to mainstream adoption is the price volatility of cryptocurrencies.

So the question is, why do the prices change so much in the first place? It comes down to supply and demand: Most cryptocurrencies have only a fixed total supply, and yet demand for the coins is uncertain and constantly fluctuating thanks to speculation.

Of course, it’s easy enough to talk about the problem — coming up with a solution is quite another matter.

Why is stability so important?

The need for stability is not unique to cryptocurrency. Any currency needs to be stable in order to be used as a trusted medium of exchange. The more that prices rise and fall, the more ordinary people will shy away from using the coins for everyday transactions.

Whether they hoard the coins in the hope that prices will rise sharply soon, or they avoid using them altogether for fear that they will lose all of their value, people are not yet accustomed to seeing cryptocurrency as real money.

Worse, the unpredictability of prices wreaks havoc on regular money services, like remittance, currency conversion, and the use of ATMs. In order to use cryptocurrencies, businesses have to hedge their risks by charging exorbitant fees.

Bitcoin ATMs can charge up to 15 percent just to convert to fiat currency. This totally defeats the original purpose of cryptocurrencies, which was to offer a cheaper and more flexible alternative to other payment methods. With no advantage over government-printed money, why would the average person use them?

Patience is a virtue

Price volatility has plagued Bitcoin from nearly the beginning. With what we have learned over the better part of a decade, why have cryptocurrencies still not solved this problem of fluctuating prices?

Human nature gets in the way, as it tends to do. It is difficult to stabilize prices in a world where people would rather play the market and get instant gratification by re-selling their coins for as high a price as possible. Without careful planning from the very onset of a cryptocurrency’s existence, it’s hard to recover from the effects of speculation.


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Phase 1: Building a stable ecosystem

When building a cryptocurrency from scratch, you first need a solid foundation. From this foundation, the currency can grow and self-correct as it develops.

Gauging demand

The first piece of the puzzle is being able to reliably predict demand. Uncertainty around demand is the main cause of price fluctuation, as every user’s intentions are a mystery to every other user. Having a way to gauge real demand for a coin would go a long way in fixing this problem.

The issue with predicting demand, though, is the existence of speculators creating artificial demand. This is the core of the problem: With so much speculation, the price for the cryptocurrency will not reflect its actual usage and demand. It simply becomes a bubble that is constantly on the verge of bursting, and no one wants to risk their hard-earned money on that.

Traditionally, the solution to the problem of stability was to have a central bank. The government could then alter the money supply at will, for example by causing inflation. Cryptocurrencies are by definition decentralized — that is part of their advantage — and without a central bank they need an entirely new approach when it comes to squashing volatility. They need to do this without compromising the freedom of the users and without resorting to inflation.

Cooperation over competition: A decentralized community

“United we stand, divided we fall.”

What if there was a currency that encouraged people to cooperate? What if people were incentivized by a spirit of growth, rather than of greed? Under the ideal model, a network of cooperative businesses and services would coordinate with each other as a single unit. The coin would be shaped democratically by this co-op (shaped not controlled). Every user would have incentives to help the network grow as a whole, and the use of a blockchain would help make the process be fair.

Instead of rampant online speculation, users would visit local exchanges to buy and sell the currency. The community as a whole would vote on when to increase the coin’s price, which would keep things democratic and guard against sharp spikes.



Official local exchanges

Having to look other users in the eye can make a world of difference. Face-to-face exchanges at trusted locations means that the sale of a coin can be more easily limited, and this can act as a throttle to gauge demand. People on the “front lines,” seeing the real demand for the coin in person, can then vote to increase the price. Having stable locations to exchange the currency also creates consistency. It removes the guessing game of wondering where you can buy and sell your coin.

The advantages are not just purely economic, either. Cryptocurrencies don’t exactly have the best reputation thanks to their penchant for attracting unscrupulous people. Unethical or illegal businesses will tend to be voted out of cooperative networks with face-to-face exchanges, however, which can go a long way toward legitimizing the currency. It would still be possible to run such enterprises of course, but they would never be part of the co-op.

Local exchange dominance

This kind of approach can only work if there are dramatically more local exchanges than online exchanges. It would mean that the local exchanges would dictate the pricing of the currency.

Marketing early can be disastrous

Marketing is a powerful force, and as such it needs to be handled with care. On the one hand, founders naturally want to attract investment early on. This will raise the price of the coin and help pay for infrastructure, as well as boost the growth of the coin. On the other hand, historically the earliest investors in cryptocurrency have been extremely low quality — they are the speculators who doom the currency in the long run and scare away mainstream users.

With speculation, capital infusion is needed to keep the currency stable, which can be a significant task. Take Bitcoin for instance: With a market cap of roughly $20 billion, it would need a huge amount of capital to have a stable floor.



Slow and steady wins the race

Cryptocurrencies are still in their infancy, and it’s hard to tell where the path for most of the major currencies is headed. What is the “finish line” that they are aiming for? What will the end game be? Most cryptocurrencies have little direction besides the whims of the market, so there’s no telling where they will end up. However, there are a handful of interesting coins that have invested in strategies that nudge them in a specific direction.

The central app coin method

This is a strategy that is centered around creating value with unique products and services that are associated with the currency. In this way, you could say that the currency is backed by something that people actually want.

For example, the MaidSafe network incentivizes users to provide something of value to the network (storage space), and offers the use of apps and services in return for coins. This naturally leads to better cooperation. People want to create value and channel their efforts toward the growth of the currency that they have in common.

The setup and switch method

Similar to the central app strategy, this method establishes a user base first, and then introduces the currency. Bitshares and its array of associated startups is a good example of this. Several networks with varying currencies — Steemit and their STEEM currency, Peerplays and their tokens, for instance — slowly built their user base and value exchange system, and now they plan to adopt a central currency with Bitshares. This allows them to create a stable base first before pooling their resources.

The grassroots movement

Finally, the best way for a currency to create that all-important foundation of true users is through bootstrapping. Just like a business startup, a currency like this would need a user base that believed in a common mission. It would need everyone in the system to be able to see the inherent value of the coin, and to understand that it could be worth much more than the value it is traded for in its early stages.

An example of one of these grassroots efforts is FairCoin. It’s a currency established and led by FairCoop, whose strategy is to build an ecosystem where businesses cooperate to give users maximum value. It is a currency built from the ground up to incentivize the long-term interests of users instead of their short-term greed — not just because it’s the right thing to do, but because it makes sense.

FairCoin focused from the beginning on building infrastructure for everyday users. Because of the strong relationships among members of the co-op, they can have thousands of ATMs, debit cards and exchanges that make mass adoption much easier.

An approach like this allows the currency to slowly build itself in the background without the need for a spotlight and the barrage of speculators that come with it. This offers the huge advantage of stability from the very beginning, though it does pose the problem that FairCoin has to bootstrap with less capital than most coins. Unlike other cryptocurrencies, they can’t rely on CoinMarketCap to sing their praises by displaying artificially rising prices (the effects of speculation).

In other words, FairCoin traded the excitement of volatility and greed for a quiet, long-term stability. The only problem is that people might not notice! Drama catches the human eye, after all.



Hard forks

Let’s take a look at the hard fork that looms in the horizon for Bitcoin. As if things weren’t complicated enough, now there could be two competing chains for the currency. There are already many technical barriers to Bitcoin’s adoption among mainstream users, and this is yet another one. This makes the price even more uncertain, and uncertainty is like poison for a currency.

On the other hand, if you have a large community and a co-op on top of an immutable blockchain, then a hard fork is extremely unlikely — and unnecessary. Cryptocurrencies like MaidSafe, Bitshares and FairCoin all represent solid communities that are incentivized to cooperate instead of speculate. This means that the coin can be worth more than its market price; it has a high inherent value within the system itself.

This makes it so that users have very little reason to defect from the existing community. A hard fork would mean giving up many benefits of the co-op, so people stay loyal to the original vision of the currency. When something deeper than just greed ties a community, hard forks don’t occur as often.

Conclusion

Stable prices don’t just happen by accident. They are not a miracle of the market — they require a carefully constructed foundation. A stable currency needs a stable ecosystem first.

While it’s tempting to market the currency too soon because capital injection can do a lot to raise prices in those critical early periods, it’s better to wait. Advertising is like opening up Pandora’s box and inviting the world to look inside. Some of those users will be interested in the actual currency, but others will be undesirable speculators that just leech off the system. For a currency to be stable, it needs to be used by “the 99%,” not just a handful of investors.

A currency needs to grow with the people, not past them. Look at the state of Bitcoin and its inflated prices. The everyday person can no longer either mine the coin or expect to use the coin in everyday transactions without high fees or risk. It has been given up to the speculators.

With a truly stable currency, on the other hand, you can have currency conversion, remittance, ATM withdrawals and other financial services with lower fees than fiat systems. In other words, it can be used as intended — as money. This is what will ultimately attract a mainstream audience and will actually incentivize them to make the switch to cryptocurrency.
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October 13, 2017, 10:05:21 AM
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Hi guys!

When i speak with a mutual friend about buying bitcoin, they all say to me, that they don't have enough to invest in. Not because they are poor, just because they think they only can buy a WHOLE BTC at one time. They don't know that they could even invest like 100$ and having an ammount of mBTC or even satoshis.

I would appreciate to read your thoughts about this topic!

greetz Twelve.
I can kinda relate too the situation.I met a dude who said he can never own a bitcoin since he can't afford one at the moment.Not many know the fact that they can even buy bitcoins in the decimal places.Mass adoption can be handled if all those websites which show bitcoin rates starts from 0.01 instead of 1.In the coming days,if bitcoin soars above $10k,it would be obvious not many could afford it so they buying frequencies should start from 0.01-0.10.
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October 13, 2017, 10:05:59 AM
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Hi guys!

When i speak with a mutual friend about buying bitcoin, they all say to me, that they don't have enough to invest in. Not because they are poor, just because they think they only can buy a WHOLE BTC at one time. They don't know that they could even invest like 100$ and having an ammount of mBTC or even satoshis.

I would appreciate to read your thoughts about this topic!

greetz Twelve.

I also have similar experiences when i say to somebody about BTC,when I mention how much the price is most of them think that they need to buy whole BTC and 4000$ or these days 5000$+ is too high amount to invest.But this can easily be explained in a few sentences,and with a simple comparison let's say with the purchase of gold.You do not have to buy a 1 kg of gold to invest in it,you can buy literally the weight you want.

I think after the explanation most people understand that it is possible to buy a very small amount of BTC,and in such way they can invest over a period of time and collect the desired amount of BTC.

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October 13, 2017, 10:28:13 AM
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Yeah, there was I time when I thought the same way. I wanted to invest in other altcoins because I didn't have enough for Bitcoin. A little research was able to solve that though. I guess there could be ways we could increase awareness through social media, etc. But the real solution would be for interested people to actually do some research.
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October 13, 2017, 10:36:46 AM
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What if the main selling-sites would sell mBTC instead of BTC?

1 mBTC = 5$ (there would be, imo a lot more buyers)
than
1 BTC = 5'000$

That idea has been floated more than once, i like it but it raises more problem than it solves ( overcomplification, large scale agreements with wallet devs, exchanges and platforms, massive and costly info campaigns etc ).

There is absolutely no problem using mBTC.
Lots of wallets already have the option of sending mBTC , a lot of websites have the possibility of showing prices in btc or mbtc.
It's nothing complicated and it doesn't need an agreement.

Do you know every phone number in your agenda when you call somebody?
Or do you know the ips behind every website?
Of course not, the computer and the phone are doing that for you.
You would just type x btc and the wallet will send 0.0z BTC.

The only problem I see are the satoshi denomination.
I would have made them either 1/million or 1/billion not 1/100 million of a bitcoin.

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