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[Thomasio]

I have an account at Faucethub, but as I said, it's not that urgent.
Believe it or not, I'm already glad I found this direct contact here, where I can get a reply, which is already more than ANY other faucet provides.

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[Thomasio]

While I have nothing better to do and since you asked for it, here's a small list of suggestions, of what you could improve on your site.

1) Captchas do NOT protect against robots, just the opposite, they prevent regular users from using the site.
I'm not an expert in these things, but as far as I know, there are now Chinese workers, earning pennies an hour, solving captchas for a job.
This is where robots get their captchas solved and this is also why the captchas cannot tell robots from humans anymore.
Since these professional captcha solvers are WAY better in solving even the hardest captchas than any regular user will ever be, a captcha protected site will end up with 99% robots, simply because regular users aren't able to solve the captchas anymore.
I strongly suggest you find a better way of protecting yourself against robots, because using something counter productive, only because you have nothing better, gets you nowhere.

2) There are quite a few sites where faucet users can accumulate Satoshis of several crypto coins, like Faucethub, but there's one I HIGHLY prefer, which you do not have as a withdrawal option.
coinpot.co allows on site conversion of any coin into any other coin without any minimum, meaning I can collect there 5 different types of coins, convert them all into my favorite coin and cash them out without needing 5 separate wallets.
If possible I'd love if you could add coinpot as a withdrawal option.

3) There are a few ads that lock up the browser, not sure how to describe that.
Most times it's a voice with a strong eastern accent asking the user to click an OK button which will install some toolbar or a flash player or something, which appears entirely independent from whether or not the user has already installed that, where a click on "cancel" makes the button reappear faster than one can close the ad.
The only way I found so far, of how one can terminate that ad is closing the browser through the task manager, which closes ALL open browser windows.
Since I always have 20 or so browser windows open that's such a pain reopening them all, that I tend to avoid sites that have these ads, no matter how useful their other content may be.
I would appreciate if you could pay attention to what ads you accept and leave these out.

4) I'd apreciate a button "account" or something similar on your site, where one can see how many people have signed up through my referral link and how many Satoshis I got from that.

[Coins4Days]

I have an account at Faucethub, but as I said, it's not that urgent.
Believe it or not, I'm already glad I found this direct contact here, where I can get a reply, which is already more than ANY other faucet provides.

Okay, that works. I have talked to Geony, he is extremely busy but he will get time to check that email on Sunday hopefully. But yes, you can always contact me here, I check bitcointalk daily!

While I have nothing better to do and since you asked for it, here's a small list of suggestions, of what you could improve on your site.

1) Captchas do NOT protect against robots, just the opposite, they prevent regular users from using the site.
I'm not an expert in these things, but as far as I know, there are now Chinese workers, earning pennies an hour, solving captchas for a job.
This is where robots get their captchas solved and this is also why the captchas cannot tell robots from humans anymore.
Since these professional captcha solvers are WAY better in solving even the hardest captchas than any regular user will ever be, a captcha protected site will end up with 99% robots, simply because regular users aren't able to solve the captchas anymore.
I strongly suggest you find a better way of protecting yourself against robots, because using something counter productive, only because you have nothing better, gets you nowhere.

2) There are quite a few sites where faucet users can accumulate Satoshis of several crypto coins, like Faucethub, but there's one I HIGHLY prefer, which you do not have as a withdrawal option.
coinpot.co allows on site conversion of any coin into any other coin without any minimum, meaning I can collect there 5 different types of coins, convert them all into my favorite coin and cash them out without needing 5 separate wallets.
If possible I'd love if you could add coinpot as a withdrawal option.

3) There are a few ads that lock up the browser, not sure how to describe that.
Most times it's a voice with a strong eastern accent asking the user to click an OK button which will install some toolbar or a flash player or something, which appears entirely independent from whether or not the user has already installed that, where a click on "cancel" makes the button reappear faster than one can close the ad.
The only way I found so far, of how one can terminate that ad is closing the browser through the task manager, which closes ALL open browser windows.
Since I always have 20 or so browser windows open that's such a pain reopening them all, that I tend to avoid sites that have these ads, no matter how useful their other content may be.
I would appreciate if you could pay attention to what ads you accept and leave these out.

4) I'd apreciate a button "account" or something similar on your site, where one can see how many people have signed up through my referral link and how many Satoshis I got from that.

First of all, thank you very much for such a detailed list of suggestions. This is exactly what I was hoping for - great feedback.

1. Well that sucks. Our script, FaucetCMS, has anti-bot measures set to catch fishy activity like this. This is the main reason why we have the withdrawal threshold set to 1,000 satoshi. It's low, but it gives us enough time to decipher whether that certain account is a bot or a human. If they end up being a bot, that address and IP are both banned from the faucet. I will look into other ways to protect us from bots and see where that leads.

2. Coinpot is extremly exclusive. I would love to have them added as a payment option but we are not big enough, not yet. Perhaps one day.

3. Okay, that is not good. Not good at all. We do not want sketchy ads like that on C4D. Our only ad providers right now are a-ads and bitcoadz, so it must be from one of them. I can't want to say much, but I do think we are going to drop them pretty soon. These networks are not profitable at all, they are just there for CTR testing. Thank you for bringing this problem to light, but I am letting you know it is temporary.

[Thomasio]

Thanks for the reply, I like it when my input is apreciated.

About my point 1, there's obviously nothing to say against anti bot measures, but where they lead to losing real customers it really is counter productive.
Not sure whether or not you know, but captchas increase in difficulty for two reasons.
1) The frequency how often a given IP accesses a captcha.
2) Time of the day and day of the week, meaning the amount of overall traffic on the web.

This logically means, someone like me, going through 25+ captcha protected sites every 15 minutes will during daytime get to the hardest captchas within an hour or so.
Especially SolveMedia will come up with scribbles that are entirely unsolvable even for me with my experience, meaning at this time of the day, your site will deal almost exclusively with robots, because if I cannot solve the captchas, I assume nobody (except of robots with the help of Chinese professionals) can.

If you want a suggestion for a captcha that remains solvable, try what most other sites do by now: Offer a set of different captchas where users can choose which one they prefer. My favorite one is called "Geetest", because it's fast and doesn't increase difficulty.
It won't protect you from robots, but at least it won't prevent regular users from coming to your site.

Edit, one more thought: The BY FAR most effective protection is NOT using a wide spread protection that's in use by a gazillion other sites as well.
I run my own website, I don't have ANY anti bot protection on it, but I've never had a bot signing up.
Why not?
Because I've written the signup form myself and I've given the input fields for username, mail, etc. wild names that a robot doesn't even detect this page as a signup form.
I've seen the simplest protections, like "whats 2+2?" where no robot ever solved it, simply because the site itself holds the entire protection, without rerouting to a captcha service that is in such widespread use that hackers found it worth their time writing a crack for that protection.
Nobody writes a crack for a unique protection used exclusively by one single website in the world.

[Thomasio]

Wellwell, now you're doomed, together with ALL other sites using SolveMedia.
Right now ALL sites display instead of the SolveMedia captcha a message "client error 117B".
There's no way around it and that means your site is locked for now.

[Coins4Days]

Wellwell, now you're doomed, together with ALL other sites using SolveMedia.
Right now ALL sites display instead of the SolveMedia captcha a message "client error 117B".
There's no way around it and that means your site is locked for now.

Are you sure? We have processed nearly 1,000 claims in the past 24 hours, if that was the case our claims for the past day would be lower. I just made a claim myself and everything seems to be working fine.

Thanks for the reply, I like it when my input is apreciated.

About my point 1, there's obviously nothing to say against anti bot measures, but where they lead to losing real customers it really is counter productive.
Not sure whether or not you know, but captchas increase in difficulty for two reasons.
1) The frequency how often a given IP accesses a captcha.
2) Time of the day and day of the week, meaning the amount of overall traffic on the web.

This logically means, someone like me, going through 25+ captcha protected sites every 15 minutes will during daytime get to the hardest captchas within an hour or so.
Especially SolveMedia will come up with scribbles that are entirely unsolvable even for me with my experience, meaning at this time of the day, your site will deal almost exclusively with robots, because if I cannot solve the captchas, I assume nobody (except of robots with the help of Chinese professionals) can.

If you want a suggestion for a captcha that remains solvable, try what most other sites do by now: Offer a set of different captchas where users can choose which one they prefer. My favorite one is called "Geetest", because it's fast and doesn't increase difficulty.
It won't protect you from robots, but at least it won't prevent regular users from coming to your site.

Edit, one more thought: The BY FAR most effective protection is NOT using a wide spread protection that's in use by a gazillion other sites as well.
I run my own website, I don't have ANY anti bot protection on it, but I've never had a bot signing up.
Why not?
Because I've written the signup form myself and I've given the input fields for username, mail, etc. wild names that a robot doesn't even detect this page as a signup form.
I've seen the simplest protections, like "whats 2+2?" where no robot ever solved it, simply because the site itself holds the entire protection, without rerouting to a captcha service that is in such widespread use that hackers found it worth their time writing a crack for that protection.
Nobody writes a crack for a unique protection used exclusively by one single website in the world.

With the information you are providing, it sounds like the most avid faucet users have the hardest time with captchas. We don't want you to have to deal with those scribbles, they suck.

I have heard of geetest. We will not be using SolveMedia forever. Since we are a part of such a huge anti-bot network, I'm sure they are targeted a lot by many people. The solution is to use a smaller option, a smaller fish in the sea. That's a smart play for your website.

These are all valid points. I'm not sure when it will happen, but SolveMedia will be dropped sometime not too long from now. Thank you for all of this valuable information!

[Thomasio]

Yes I'm sure, but I can provide you an additional information.
I'm running a webserver at a provider in Austria (while I live in Italy) to which I'm connected via VPN.
Now my provider doesn't like that, nor do faucet sites allow the use of VPN, therefore I haven't made a claim, but since the error message appears right on the frontpage of your faucet (where you have that SolveMedia captcha) I just opened the site to see what it shows and from there I can tell you, from Austria there is no error.
This means either SolveMedia has put me on some blacklist for accessing too many captchas per day or something, or SolveMedia doesn't like my Italian provider (Fastweb) anymore.

Either way, the problem has existed for me all day long, still exists right now, not only on your site but on ALL sites that use SolveMedia and I would really like getting access again.
I imagine even for you it cannot be the purpose of a captcha locking out one of the few really active AND regular customers you have.

Edit: It took me 8 hours sleep and turn my computer off to obtain a new (dynamic) IP from my internet provider and now it's working again.
Usually I never do this, I keep my computer on over night to run some cryptos mining, meaning my IP doesn't change.
So in the end this means, I just cannot remain as active as I was with faucets, simply because the plain amount of accesses to SolveMedia results in getting blacklisted.
(Wonder what happens to the poor customer who has my yesterdays IP now.)

[Coins4Days]

Yes I'm sure, but I can provide you an additional information.
I'm running a webserver at a provider in Austria (while I live in Italy) to which I'm connected via VPN.
Now my provider doesn't like that, nor do faucet sites allow the use of VPN, therefore I haven't made a claim, but since the error message appears right on the frontpage of your faucet (where you have that SolveMedia captcha) I just opened the site to see what it shows and from there I can tell you, from Austria there is no error.
This means either SolveMedia has put me on some blacklist for accessing too many captchas per day or something, or SolveMedia doesn't like my Italian provider (Fastweb) anymore.

Either way, the problem has existed for me all day long, still exists right now, not only on your site but on ALL sites that use SolveMedia and I would really like getting access again.
I imagine even for you it cannot be the purpose of a captcha locking out one of the few really active AND regular customers you have.

Edit: It took me 8 hours sleep and turn my computer off to obtain a new (dynamic) IP from my internet provider and now it's working again.
Usually I never do this, I keep my computer on over night to run some cryptos mining, meaning my IP doesn't change.
So in the end this means, I just cannot remain as active as I was with faucets, simply because the plain amount of accesses to SolveMedia results in getting blacklisted.
(Wonder what happens to the poor customer who has my yesterdays IP now.)

This sounds like a problem with SolveMedia, not us. The solution is to find a different way to prevent bots from claiming. People target the big companies because the most people use them. It sounds like we should find a service that fewer people use so it is not as targeted. I will post here when that happens. This problem is temporary. Thank you for pointing us in the right direction for this.

[Thomasio]

Welcome.

Meanwhile I'm approching 4000 Satoshis and I still get error upon withdraw.
If I reach 5000 before the problem is solved, I'll get back to you here via PM.

[Coins4Days]

Welcome.

Meanwhile I'm approching 4000 Satoshis and I still get error upon withdraw.
If I reach 5000 before the problem is solved, I'll get back to you here via PM.

My partner Geony is supposed to check the support email tomorrow. He is dealing with a lot of things outside of our website at the moment, so I can only provide limited support. Sounds like a plan. Thank you for still using the faucet, you will get a payout. I promise! And about the problem, it will be fixed thanks to you bringing it to the light.

Edit: Is this your FaucetHub address? 19yeQ8u893ZpK3U2KMViHD98RWGzTV3h2y
If so, you forgot to pick your microwallet provider upon signup. I can get this fixed for you if you verify that this is your address.
https://faucethub.io/balance/19yeQ8u893ZpK3U2KMViHD98RWGzTV3h2y

[Thomasio]

Yes it is and I did try to find that setting somewhere on your site, but there is no such thing.
Remember, above I asked for a button "account".

[Thomasio]

Since I have nothing better to do, let me give you a few more ideas:

1) A timed claim like you have, with one payout per hour is for robots, real humans need sleep, go out of the house frequently and miss claims.
I like far better the faucets that accumulate Satoshis over time, where accumulation slows down over time, meaning the longer you don't claim the slower it accumulates, meaning more active claimers will get more, but accumulation never stops.
It's like a ritual for me, every morning when getting up, with first coffee I click through the faucets and I ALWAYS go to those accumulating faucets first.

2) You have 2 bonus links on your site, where one can add 10 Satoshis each to a claim.
The first one takes 5 seconds and doesn't have a captcha, thats ok, but the second one has a captcha to solve plus an additional 10 seconds to wait.
If you calculate electricity for 15 seconds computer running that already exceeds 10 Satoshis, meaning this bonus is worth less than nothing for BOTH sides, because you only pay the energy provider of the user, meaning you pay, the user pays as well and the energy provider is the only one making money.
Fortunately for me I do have solar panels on my roof, but I guess that's still not wide spread.

3) I've added your faucet to my list including a link to this topic here.
http://www.piranhazone.com/index.php?page=crypto&topic=faucets
As mentioned above, I'd like to see a link or a button on your site that shows statistics about referrals.
Furthermore there's one feature on other faucet sites I like, which is a referral bonus independent from whether or not the others make claims.
Some sites pay not only 25% (or more) of whatever my referrals claim, but another 1% bonus on my own claims for each successful referral.

4) As mentioned above, I get my internet connection from Italian Fastweb.
This provider has far less public IPs than customers, meaning at traffic rush hours on the web they route complete blocks of a town, or in smaller towns even the entire town through the same public IP, similar to some kind of gigantic home network.
This means for me two things:
1) If during these times anyone in my neighborhood messes with his connection, the whole block gets blacklisted from captcha sites.
2) If anyone else in my neighborhood would like to sign up on your site, he cannot, because your site thinks it's the same user.
So the question becomes not only how to overcome the blacklistings, but also how could I refer my friends and neighbors?

[Coins4Days]

Yes it is and I did try to find that setting somewhere on your site, but there is no such thing.
Remember, above I asked for a button "account".

Try to cashout again now. It should work. If it does not, let me know. An "account" button with a little overview of your profile on Coins4Days along with referral information will be coming in the future.

Since I have nothing better to do, let me give you a few more ideas:

1) A timed claim like you have, with one payout per hour is for robots, real humans need sleep, go out of the house frequently and miss claims.
I like far better the faucets that accumulate Satoshis over time, where accumulation slows down over time, meaning the longer you don't claim the slower it accumulates, meaning more active claimers will get more, but accumulation never stops.
It's like a ritual for me, every morning when getting up, with first coffee I click through the faucets and I ALWAYS go to those accumulating faucets first.

2) You have 2 bonus links on your site, where one can add 10 Satoshis each to a claim.
The first one takes 5 seconds and doesn't have a captcha, thats ok, but the second one has a captcha to solve plus an additional 10 seconds to wait.
If you calculate electricity for 15 seconds computer running that already exceeds 10 Satoshis, meaning this bonus is worth less than nothing for BOTH sides, because you only pay the energy provider of the user, meaning you pay, the user pays as well and the energy provider is the only one making money.
Fortunately for me I do have solar panels on my roof, but I guess that's still not wide spread.

3) I've added your faucet to my list including a link to this topic here.
http://www.piranhazone.com/index.php?page=crypto&topic=faucets
As mentioned above, I'd like to see a link or a button on your site that shows statistics about referrals.
Furthermore there's one feature on other faucet sites I like, which is a referral bonus independent from whether or not the others make claims.
Some sites pay not only 25% (or more) of whateve r my referrals claim, but another 1% bonus on my own claims for each successful referral.

4) As mentioned above, I get my internet connection from Italian Fastweb.
This provider has far less public IPs than customers, meaning at traffic rush hours on the web they route complete blocks of a town, or in smaller towns even the entire town through the same public IP, similar to some kind of gigantic home network.
This means for me two things:
1) If during these times anyone in my neighborhood messes with his connection, the whole block gets blacklisted from captcha sites.
2) If anyone else in my neighborhood would like to sign up on your site, he cannot, because your site thinks it's the same user.
So the question becomes not only how to overcome the blacklistings, but also how could I refer my friends and neighbors?

Once again, thank you very much for all of this feedback. This is how we become better!

1. I am a fan of accumulating faucets too. I claim from moonbit.co.in from time to time just because it accumulates constantly. I used to claim daily because of the bonus. Look at their faucet and compare it to ours though. They are absolutely decked out with advertisements. When I hop onto that site, my computer starts slowing down. They have multiple pop-up/under ads there, and ads with sound. Slider banners come from each side of the screen. This is not the user experience Geony and I want for our users. It's overwhelming. We would rather have way fewer ads for a better on-site experience. This ties into your third point too. Our profit margins are way too slim to add an individual bonus for each referral claim like moonbit.co.in does, for example. This does not rule your idea out forever though! When our income grows, so will yours.

2. Well, to be honest, you kind of stumped me here. Even if it costs more to claim the bonus compared to not claiming, the computer is still on and running regardless, so you may as well click the links if you have the time. As long as our users keep using the bonuses, we will keep them up there.

3. Thank you for adding us to your website! I always enjoy seeing this. I hope you make some good commissions.

4. This is a good point. We want as many users as possible to join us because we want to grow. Let's say SolveMedia was thrown out the window and replaced with a PoW (proof of work) captcha. What is your opinion on this? Your neighbors/friends would not be blacklisted, this certain captcha would not be targeted because it's not widely used, plus I don't think it's really possible for a bot to get past it since it requires more than just a passcode to get a claim.

[Thomasio]

Yes, withdraw works, thanks for that.

2.) There are literally WAY more faucets than one can claim from, therefore I sort out those that pay best and if claiming 10 Satoshi extra takes 15 seconds, that's not worth it because in the same time I can claim 20 Sathoshi from 2 other sites.

4) Proof of Work uses CPU power, roughly 50 Watts for roughly 5 seconds the check takes, too expensive for the amount one can claim there.
I've abandoned all sites using it and apparently I was not the only one, most of those sites have noticed and switched back to other captchas.
Also it does NOT solve the problem of neighbors sharing the same IP.

On a general idea, of the by far best faucet site I know of, have a look at bonusbitcoin.
With setting "pay always the average", it pays 26 Satoshi every 15 minutes plus 5% of all your claims from the last 3 days every day at midnight, it pays directly to coinpot and takes less than 5 seconds to claim.
It has one popup every 3 hours or so, captcha switchable between reCaptcha and SolveMedia and pays a solid 50% referral commission.
It's a faucet I hardly ever miss, while I'm awake, even if I'm very busy with work (freelance programmer, sitting at the computer anyway) this one I claim no matter what, making almost 2000 Satoshi a day from there.

Sure that's still only some pocket change, but compared to the time it takes claiming, this one is the best and if I find a few more referrals it may actually ad up to a sum worth mentioning.


On a VERY general idea, you should forget the idea of a pleasant experience for your users, because nobody cares about that.
Aside of robots, which I will ignore for this point, there are only 2 types of users:

1) People like me, experienced with computers and the web, only caring about how fast one can get to the payout and how much it pays.
I really don't care at all how many popups you throw at me, I have a Logitech G13 programmable keyboard aside, where I have a hotkey for Alt-F4, shorting even that one to a single key.
I don't care how many ads you have on the site, I don't even see them, because I stay focussed on finding the "Claim" button in between the ads.

2) Beginners, trying to get into cryptos, claiming a few times, usually until they reach the minimum for the first transfer to their wallet, which at Faucethub is 20,000 Satoshis.
Once they get confirmed there, that their wallet is working, they will abandon faucets, because they will figure, it took them 2 dozen faucet sites and about 2 weeks of monotonous captcha solving work to make $3, which is less than the minimum wage in Bangladesh.
They never get the idea of building their own referral site, mostly because they simply don't have their own website.
These will care for easy usable faucet sites, but compared to what you get from frequent users, they are near meaningless.
I don't know whether or not you keep statistics about your users, but I bet you anything you like, 90+% of all your users will become inactive within a month.

This is NOT the case for accumulating faucets, because there you just don't have to be active, you spend once a day 10 seconds with them and most users will continue to claim from them way longer than from timed faucets.
I can tell, I have only TWO referrals at those moon____ faucets and those two users claim there so often that my 50% commission by far exceeds my own claims from there.

[Coins4Days]

Yes, withdraw works, thanks for that.

2.) There are literally WAY more faucets than one can claim from, therefore I sort out those that pay best and if claiming 10 Satoshi extra takes 15 seconds, that's not worth it because in the same time I can claim 20 Sathoshi from 2 other sites.

This is true, many faucets have terrible payouts. I think Coins4Days is not that bad at all. I will compare us to moonbit.co.in. They are ranked top 4,000 in Alexa, while we are ranked top 500,000. You are a fan of the accumulating faucets, I understand this. Take a look at their claim rates though.

• 2 satoshi every 5 minutes
• 4 satoshi every 10 minutes
• 4 satoshi every 15 minutes
• 8 satoshi every 30 minutes
• 12 satoshi an hour
• 23 satoshi every four hours
• 42 satoshi every day
• 58 satoshi every four days
• 67 satoshi every week
• 90 satoshi every four weeks

They have ALL of those ads, but we still pay more every hour than they do. We pay more than triple on average. We have weighted claims, a few claimers get up to 70 satoshi in one claim if they click both links and get a lucky claim. The satoshi accumulates so slow on their site.

4) Proof of Work uses CPU power, roughly 50 Watts for roughly 5 seconds the check takes, too expensive for the amount one can claim there.
I've abandoned all sites using it and apparently I was not the only one, most of those sites have noticed and switched back to other captchas.
Also it does NOT solve the problem of neighbors sharing the same IP.

How does this not solve the problem of the same neighbors sharing the same IP? If the captcha is what's blacklisting the user and preventing them from claiming, if a captcha other than SolveMedia was used, the problem would go away. Each verification from PoW is like a special token. It can be solved from the same IP as long as it is solved in the first place. I am not 100% sure if this will be implemented though. It might be tested in the future to see how it affects claim rates. If our users stop claiming, we will take it off. Simple.

On a general idea, of the by far best faucet site I know of, have a look at bonusbitcoin.
With setting "pay always the average", it pays 26 Satoshi every 15 minutes plus 5% of all your claims from the last 3 days every day at midnight, it pays directly to coinpot and takes less than 5 seconds to claim.
It has one popup every 3 hours or so, captcha switchable between reCaptcha and SolveMedia and pays a solid 50% referral commission.
It's a faucet I hardly ever miss, while I'm awake, even if I'm very busy with work (freelance programmer, sitting at the computer anyway) this one I claim no matter what, making almost 2000 Satoshi a day from there.

Sure that's still only some pocket change, but compared to the time it takes claiming, this one is the best and if I find a few more referrals it may actually ad up to a sum worth mentioning.

I have used bonusbitcoin in the past. Upon logging into their site again, it loads very slow for me. They have ads with sound (I am okay with this kind of), two slide in banners/videos, two pop-ups/unders, and lots of banner ads. However, their payout is higher than pretty much every other faucet that is around. The average payout option is very nice. That's 100 satoshi an hour, every hour if you time it right. It takes a bit longer than 5 seconds because of the pop-unders, but it's not too big of a deal. 2,000 satoshi a day from one faucet is fantastic to be honest. We cannot match their claim rates. Not yet

On a VERY general idea, you should forget the idea of a pleasant experience for your users, because nobody cares about that.
Aside of robots, which I will ignore for this point, there are only 2 types of users:

1) People like me, experienced with computers and the web, only caring about how fast one can get to the payout and how much it pays.
I really don't care at all how many popups you throw at me, I have a Logitech G13 programmable keyboard aside, where I have a hotkey for Alt-F4, shorting even that one to a single key.
I don't care how many ads you have on the site, I don't even see them, because I stay focussed on finding the "Claim" button in between the ads.

The main reason why I want a pleasant experience for my users is that is what keeps people coming back - user retention if you will. Our Google Analytics says for the month of January, only 20% of our users are new. The other 80% are all returning. This allows for slow, steady growth.

A lot of faucet owners skip dollars to pick up pennies. I have friends who own websites with 4+% CTR. This yields $1.00-$2.00+ eCPM's depending on the network. If your ad placements are optimized and your traffic isn't garbage, PPC will pay out a lot more than traditional CPM. I will have to disagree with you on this point.

2) Beginners, trying to get into cryptos, claiming a few times, usually until they reach the minimum for the first transfer to their wallet, which at Faucethub is 20,000 Satoshis.
Once they get confirmed there, that their wallet is working, they will abandon faucets, because they will figure, it took them 2 dozen faucet sites and about 2 weeks of monotonous captcha solving work to make $3, which is less than the minimum wage in Bangladesh.
They never get the idea of building their own referral site, mostly because they simply don't have their own website.
These will care for easy usable faucet sites, but compared to what you get from frequent users, they are near meaningless.
I don't know whether or not you keep statistics about your users, but I bet you anything you like, 90+% of all your users will become inactive within a month.

Even if 90% of our users become inactive within the first month (Google Analytics says otherwise), the number of new users will offset this. We have backlinks across multiple forums and faucet lists. Having a referral program takes care of a lot of the advertising for us, too. When users do leave, they are replaced with new ones. After time, we will have a large base of loyal claimers. This is what will help support the slow and steady growth.

This is NOT the case for accumulating faucets, because there you just don't have to be active, you spend once a day 10 seconds with them and most users will continue to claim from them way longer than from timed faucets.
I can tell, I have only TWO referrals at those moon____ faucets and those two users claim there so often that my 50% commission by far exceeds my own claims from there.

Moonbit.co.in does not have the best rates. I think all of their bonuses are what keep people coming back. If you have 50 active referrals and have been claiming for the past 100 days, that is a 150% bonus, just like that. I think people simply like the idea of not having a timer because it's different.

[Thomasio]

Well, ok, of course you have your own point of view and it isn't the point of your users.
Furthermore I cannot speak for others, I can just speak for myself and I can predict for you, what I'll be doing in the near future.
I guess it won't be much different for other users, but obviously I cannot be sure about that.

First of all claiming from faucets without having a large amount of referrals in your back is entirely pointless, because alone the electricity running a computer exceeds the value of the claim, therefore, once I've built a halfway good base of referrals, I'll be claiming precisely once a day, just to collect the referrals and transfer everything to my wallet.
That's why for me accumulating sites pay way more than you do, even though for someone spending all day at the computer, visiting your faucet on top of every hour, spending the time clicking through your bonuses, will pay more, it just isn't worth my time.
(There are sites paying 5 Satoshis once per minute, meaning you could get to 300 Satoshis per hour, meaning WAY more than any other site pays, but those I completely ignore, simply because 10 or 20 seconds per minute of my time is WAY to much for 5000 or so Satoshis a day.)
Furthermore these accumulating sites pay loyalty bonus, referral bonus not only in % of their claims, but also 1% per referral on my own claims, plus a "mystery bonus", meaning from an accumulating faucet, IFFFF I get to 100 referrals and 100 days loyalty, I can claim 80 - 120 Satoshi in 10 seconds, once a day PLUS my referral commissions and that then summons up to a value worth claiming.

I do realize that my way of doing this is an extreme form of Ponzi scheme, because if everyone was doing like I do, you'd have to increase the amount of active customers 10fold every month and you'd exceed the worlds population by the end of the year, but then, this is my point of view, the view of a customer.

In the end I don't really know what I should recommend for you, I guess I shouldn't even try.
I give you my customers point of view, what you make out of that is up to you and whether or not I will keep using your site is then my decision.
For the moment I'm fine with your site and I give you a great deal of gratitude for being the ONLY faucet site where I have a personal contact, which (to me) is worth way more than a higher payout.

[Coins4Days]

Well, ok, of course you have your own point of view and it isn't the point of your users.
Furthermore I cannot speak for others, I can just speak for myself and I can predict for you, what I'll be doing in the near future.
I guess it won't be much different for other users, but obviously I cannot be sure about that.

Even though I am a faucet owner, I claim from other faucets too. Why? Just to see where my referral statistics are. Since I'm already on the site, I may as well. I dislike faucets with a lot of ads, that's just me. So, I will try to keep my faucet the way I would like to see it if I was a customer. People who don't mind a lot of ads will come anyway.

First of all claiming from faucets without having a large amount of referrals in your back is entirely pointless, because alone the electricity running a computer exceeds the value of the claim, therefore, once I've built a halfway good base of referrals, I'll be claiming precisely once a day, just to collect the referrals and transfer everything to my wallet.
That's why for me accumulating sites pay way more than you do, even though for someone spending all day at the computer, visiting your faucet on top of every hour, spending the time clicking through your bonuses, will pay more, it just isn't worth my time.
(There are sites paying 5 Satoshis once per minute, meaning you could get to 300 Satoshis per hour, meaning WAY more than any other site pays, but those I completely ignore, simply because 10 or 20 seconds per minute of my time is WAY to much for 5000 or so Satoshis a day.)
Furthermore these accumulating sites pay loyalty bonus, referral bonus not only in % of their claims, but also 1% per referral on my own claims, plus a "mystery bonus", meaning from an accumulating faucet, IFFFF I get to 100 referrals and 100 days loyalty, I can claim 80 - 120 Satoshi in 10 seconds, once a day PLUS my referral commissions and that then summons up to a value worth claiming.

Your first point is true. I will speak from my perspective: I do not turn on my computer or laptop to claim from faucets and then turn it off. I am on my laptop more than my desktop. If I am surfing the web on my laptop, I may as well go spend a few seconds and claim from some faucets, because it's already on, and why not?

The sites that pay 5 satoshi a minute are annoying. They have a required link shortener, lots of pop-ups, and sketchy ads. But, since users can make unlimited earnings, perhaps they don't care about that? It would be hard for me to claim once a minute for every hour, my attention span would not last that long.

The loyalty/referral bonuses are where it's AT for faucets. I would love to add them on Coins4Days, but I cannot afford that yet. This is something that will be implemented way down the road. The more we make, the more we can share with the users.

I do realize that my way of doing this is an extreme form of Ponzi scheme, because if everyone was doing like I do, you'd have to increase the amount of active customers 10fold every month and you'd exceed the worlds population by the end of the year, but then, this is my point of view, the view of a customer.

I'm sure there are many people that try this, but it's hard to find referrals for faucets in my opinion. People already use most of the good ones, so it's hard to find referrals because all of your claimers are already on other faucets. The trick is to find a new faucet that you think will do well. If you get in early, you will prosper more. I can understand how you look at it as a pomzi scheme, but since you're not paying anything, it's not. Nothing wrong with building some referral downlines

In the end I don't really know what I should recommend for you, I guess I shouldn't even try.
I give you my customers point of view, what you make out of that is up to you and whether or not I will keep using your site is then my decision.
For the moment I'm fine with your site and I give you a great deal of gratitude for being the ONLY faucet site where I have a personal contact, which (to me) is worth way more than a higher payout.

You should definitely try to recommend things and give me suggestions man. I love feedback, especially when the feedback is well-thought and creates good conversation! We use a script for our faucet, FaucetCMS. I forwarded all of your replies to him and he plans to implement some of your ideas in the future. I look forward to when that happens! I appreciate the suggestions, remember that. Thank you for the gratitude, too. I'm glad you found Coins4Days and this thread!

[Thomasio]

Well, it's 4:30am here, so just a short answer for now, but as you might have figured by now, asking my opinion may get a complete book in response, so I'll write more tomorrow (ermmmm ...... later today).

The orginial idea of a Ponzi is based on everybody paying something, but for the underlaying problem it makes no difference.
If getting a sufficient amount of Satoshis from a faucet requires getting 10+ referrals in, you'll run out of potential customers, because it exceeds the worlds population.

Not finding new referrals isn't a problem for now, all you need is your own website and a good reputation in some crypto related forums, there are more than plenty of newbies coming into the forums these days so that one single posting in a halfway big forum will get me at least 5 referrals, but of course not for every site, but in total for all the sites on my list.

A problem (and another suggestion of mine) would be, make a faucet for a less valuable coin, with a lower transferral free.
I collect Dogecoins (and I trade everything I can get for Dogecoins), simply because that's so much easier, faster and cheaper to trade than BTC.
Also in the Doge community there are WAY more newbies potentially interested in claiming from faucets, that one I know for sure, because the ratio of how often I find a referral for a Doge faucet is 5 times greater than the referrals I find for ALL other coins combined.

..... more tomorrow.

Edit: I ment to make another claim from your site before going to bed, but apparently I cannot, the captcha field doesn't show up above the claim button, refreshing the page 10 times doesn't work either.

[Coins4Days]

Well, it's 4:30am here, so just a short answer for now, but as you might have figured by now, asking my opinion may get a complete book in response, so I'll write more tomorrow (ermmmm ...... later today).

It's 11:02 PM as I write this. I thoroughly enjoy your conversation.

The orginial idea of a Ponzi is based on everybody paying something, but for the underlaying problem it makes no difference.
If getting a sufficient amount of Satoshis from a faucet requires getting 10+ referrals in, you'll run out of potential customers, because it exceeds the worlds population.

If you can find ten referrals who claim from 3-4 faucets 3-4 times a day, that will add up. Find ten more, now you're at 20. 20 claimers, 3-4 faucets, 3-4 times a day, each faucet. Strength in numbers.

Not finding new referrals isn't a problem for now, all you need is your own website and a good reputation in some crypto related forums, there are more than plenty of newbies coming into the forums these days so that one single posting in a halfway big forum will get me at least 5 referrals, but of course not for every site, but in total for all the sites on my list.

A problem (and another suggestion of mine) would be, make a faucet for a less valuable coin, with a lower transferral free.
I collect Dogecoins (and I trade everything I can get for Dogecoins), simply because that's so much easier, faster and cheaper to trade than BTC.

Also in the Doge community there are WAY more newbies potentially interested in claiming from faucets, that one I know for sure, because the ratio of how often I find a referral for a Doge faucet is 5 times greater than the referrals I find for ALL other coins combined.

This is some very good input. When Coins4Days is fully up, running, and profitable, I don't see why Geony and I should not start another faucet, but this time, with Dogecoin. I like Dogecoin too. I used to mine on my R9 270's and I made $8 a day. We sent Josh Wise to Talladega!

..... more tomorrow.

Sounds good!

Edit: I ment to make another claim from your site before going to bed, but apparently I cannot, the captcha field doesn't show up above the claim button, refreshing the page 10 times doesn't work either.

I was messing with some faucet settings, try again now. Should be all good to go!

[Thomasio]

Good morning

Now let me see what else to add to last nights post ......

If you can find ten referrals ...

..... then the next user has to find other 10 or give up on faucets.
A month later the total amount of users has increased 10 fold.
A month later the total amount of users has increased 10 fold AGAIN.
A year later the amount of users required to keep existing users happy exceeds the worlds population.


Why would there be a problem with a loyalty bonus?
All you have to do is lower the claim amount for new users and add what you save there in loyalty bonus for others.
I have no clue about the relation, but I would guess, to make a 1% per day loyalty bonus it would already be enough to reduce the base claim from +/- 15 Satoshis to 12 or 13.
The idea of "affording" a loyalty bonus only after the faucet is profitable is the same what electricity providers do, offering new customers way cheaper prices than loyal customers, making customers switch provider every year, rather than building a base of loyal customers.
It's as absurd as it gets, because the ONLY thing that does is opening a business opportunity for price comparison websites, where obviously the consumers pay the price of those sites, meaning in the end prices for EVERYONE are higher than they would be with a loyalty bonus and profits for all providers are lower.


..... more later, right now I got on your site into one of those browser locking ads and I have to terminate all browser windows to close that.
Be back later.