Response to CIA FOIA request

[danieldaniel]

The response to the CIA FOIA request is located at http://grab.by/nkbS and http://grab.by/nkbU.

Thoughts?

EDIT: I should note that "cannot confirm or deny" means that there was an exception to the FOIA law that applied.

[xboxgames]

You realize that orange box doent cover your full name and address right?

[danieldaniel]

You realize that orange box doent cover your full name and address right?

Yes, you have my first name.  

EDIT: Fixed.

[xboxgames]

You realize that orange box doent cover your full name and address right?

Yes, you have my first name. 

False.  I just PM'd you your entire name and address.

[danieldaniel]

You realize that orange box doent cover your full name and address right?

Yes, you have my first name. 

False.  I just PM'd you your entire name and address.

Fixed.

[bitcoinbear]

This is not surprising. The current administration is setting a record for the number of FOIA requests denied, even for simple things.

[xboxgames]

You realize that orange box doent cover your full name and address right?

Yes, you have my first name. 

False.  I just PM'd you your entire name and address.

Conspiracy theory:  xboxgames = CIA 

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.......























DENIED

[danieldaniel]

You realize that orange box doent cover your full name and address right?

Yes, you have my first name. 

False.  I just PM'd you your entire name and address.

Conspiracy theory:  xboxgames = CIA 

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.......
























DENIED

I cannot confirm or deny if I am the CIA.

[charleshoskinson]

As one of the few members here with an actual security clearance let me explain what the CIA is going to do. Bitcoin is a relatively new technology and most classified documents will not be released or acknowledged to exist unless one of the follow criterion has been met:

• An executive order is received to declassify said documents
• The minimum amount of time required by congress has passed to begin the document sanitization process (redactions of names, certain dates and other pieces of info)
• The entities responsible for the document have made a decision that the contents no longer constitute a national security risk if released
• The documents have been leaked and are now part of a criminal investigation

There are other criterion, but generally speaking if the CIA drafted documents on Bitcoin (which they likely did after Gavin's 2011 visit), then they will not be available for a FOIA release until 2021 at a minimum. Likely, the CIA is going to use Bitcoin for activities with the NCS and joint operations with other agencies abroad thus I really wouldn't expect any document to be released until 2030.

[danieldaniel]

As one of the few members here with an actual security clearance let me explain what the CIA is going to do. Bitcoin is a relatively new technology and most classified documents will not be released or acknowledged to exist unless one of the follow criterion has been met:

• An executive order is received to declassify said documents
• The minimum amount of time required by congress has passed to begin the document sanitization process (redactions of names, certain dates and other pieces of info)
• The entities responsible for the document have made a decision that the contents no longer constitute a national security risk if released
• The documents have been leaked and are now part of a criminal investigation

There are other criterion, but generally speaking if the CIA drafted documents on Bitcoin (which they likely did after Gavin's 2011 visit), then they will not be available for a FOIA release until 2021 at a minimum. Likely, the CIA is going to use Bitcoin for activities with the NCS and joint operations with other agencies abroad thus I really wouldn't expect any document to be released until 2030.

How do you have a security clearance?

Also, I really appreciate the input!  What's the NCS?

[charleshoskinson]

How do you have a security clearance?

I do cryptographic research in association with DARPA (for example I'm subcontracting here: https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=17252107ae2d7e75aacffedb0c7cb3e0&tab=core&tabmode=list&=)
Most of my work is in Fully Homomorphic Encryption or deals with public key cryptography. Due to the sensitive nature of this research, most contractors are required to go through an SSBI http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_Scope_Background_Investigation (also known as the FBI takes a camping trip in your ass for a few weeks and really enjoy making smores) and receive some form of clearence in association with their responsibilities and need to know.

Also, I really appreciate the input!  What's the NCS?

https://www.cia.gov/offices-of-cia/clandestine-service/

[danieldaniel]

How do you have a security clearance?

I do cryptographic research in association with DARPA (for example I'm subcontracting here: https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=17252107ae2d7e75aacffedb0c7cb3e0&tab=core&tabmode=list&=)
Most of my work is in Fully Homomorphic Encryption or deals with public key cryptography. Due to the sensitive nature of this research, most contractors are required to go through an SSBI http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_Scope_Background_Investigation (also known as the FBI takes a camping trip in your ass for a few weeks and really enjoy making smores) and receive some form of clearence in association with their responsibilities and need to know.

Also, I really appreciate the input!  What's the NCS?

https://www.cia.gov/offices-of-cia/clandestine-service/

So... want to tell me something you're not allowed to?

Kidding, that's really cool though.

[xboxgames]

How do you have a security clearance?

I do cryptographic research in association with DARPA (for example I'm subcontracting here: https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=17252107ae2d7e75aacffedb0c7cb3e0&tab=core&tabmode=list&=)
Most of my work is in Fully Homomorphic Encryption or deals with public key cryptography. Due to the sensitive nature of this research, most contractors are required to go through an SSBI http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_Scope_Background_Investigation (also known as the FBI takes a camping trip in your ass for a few weeks and really enjoy making smores) and receive some form of clearence in association with their responsibilities and need to know.

Also, I really appreciate the input!  What's the NCS?

https://www.cia.gov/offices-of-cia/clandestine-service/

So... want to tell me something you're not allowed to?

Kidding, that's really cool though.

Bet he cant tell you your address.... I want a clearance lol

[charleshoskinson]

I want a clearance lol

No you don't it's a pain in the ass. You even have to fill out forms to travel abroad.

[NewLiberty]

I want a clearance lol

No you don't it's a pain in the ass. You even have to fill out forms to travel abroad.

Agreed.  It is a cost more than a benefit.

[TippingPoint]

As one of the few members here with an actual security clearance let me explain what the CIA is going to do. Bitcoin is a relatively new technology and most classified documents will not be released or acknowledged to exist unless one of the follow criterion has been met:

• An executive order is received to declassify said documents
• The minimum amount of time required by congress has passed to begin the document sanitization process (redactions of names, certain dates and other pieces of info)
• The entities responsible for the document have made a decision that the contents no longer constitute a national security risk if released
• The documents have been leaked and are now part of a criminal investigation

There are other criterion, but generally speaking if the CIA drafted documents on Bitcoin (which they likely did after Gavin's 2011 visit), then they will not be available for a FOIA release until 2021 at a minimum. Likely, the CIA is going to use Bitcoin for activities with the NCS and joint operations with other agencies abroad thus I really wouldn't expect any document to be released until 2030.

How do you have a security clearance?

I do cryptographic research in association with DARPA (for example I'm subcontracting here: https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=17252107ae2d7e75aacffedb0c7cb3e0&tab=core&tabmode=list&=)
Most of my work is in Fully Homomorphic Encryption or deals with public key cryptography. Due to the sensitive nature of this research, most contractors are required to go through an SSBI http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_Scope_Background_Investigation (also known as the FBI takes a camping trip in your ass for a few weeks and really enjoy making smores) and receive some form of clearence in association with their responsibilities and need to know.

Also, I really appreciate the input!  What's the NCS?

https://www.cia.gov/offices-of-cia/clandestine-service/

Here is some useful advice:
Should You Disclose Your Security Clearance?
http://govwin.com/lindleyashline_blog/should-you-disclose-your-security/99543

[charleshoskinson]

Never disclose what kind of security clearance you have nor the level of your clearance except in an interview.

Check

Do not list your right-to-work or security clearance on any resume you plan to post in an online database.

There are several public entries already released from Galois thus the dragnet already knows.

The National Industrial Security Program Operating Manual

Never read this book. It's a mess. If anyone is interested: http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/pdf/522022m.pdf There is actually a job role called a clearence compliance officer who is suppose to be the guru on this stuff.

You are correct to embrace the notion that the less information the better. I decided to reveal this information because I'm head of BEP and thus eventually someone would discover it and could assert a conflict of interest. The work of BEP, its agents and its mission are in no way affiliated with the United States Government directly or indirectly.

[stslimited]

I want a clearance lol

No you don't it's a pain in the ass. You even have to fill out forms to travel abroad.

This is exactly why I moved away from DC, I saw what my career path was there

[charleshoskinson]

This is exactly why I moved away from DC, I saw what my career path was there

Hopefully, I'll be able to start committing my time fully to Bitcoin related projects and I can retire from the crypto contract biz. There will never be a brighter day.

[bg002h]

Maybe I'm naive...but, the CIA can't release anything about Bitcoin? Surely there's plenty that is no secret to anybody...like notes from Gavin's presentation.