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October 24, 2017, 10:29:25 PM |
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Hi guys,
I have a serious question about the process of randomization in card shuffling in online poker.
Is there any solution for it to make it 100% transparent and verifiable and simple at the same time as well? Please share any innovative idea if you have any.
Yes it is. 1 - you have to "provable randomly" shuffle the cards. 2 - you have to prove the cards were handed out in that shuffled order. But you would have to find a really smart solution to make it "simple". Hi guys,
I have a serious question about the process of randomization in card shuffling in online poker.
Is there any solution for it to make it 100% transparent and verifiable and simple at the same time as well? Please share any innovative idea if you have any.
It's not even called a solution if you are going to make 100% transparency when playing online poker. I guess there's no use and it's not even an innovative idea. The idea of playing poker will be useless and for sure many will forget this game online if all the cards are transparent to each other, everyone will be folding their cards and will just quit the game later on because there's no use of playing it. I don't think you know how provably fair systems works. (sorry if Im wrong) The thing is you dont need to show cards to each other. All you need is to make sure " the cards order was given at game start and has not changed during the game".This can be achieved by using "hash functions". IMO by transparent he means: to be verifiable That's why I'm a bit disagree if online poker games need skills, because as we hope the system will get a good card because the player with the highest-ranked poker hand is the winner, so it is crucial to understand the correct poker hand rankings. |
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October 26, 2017, 03:33:31 PM |
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Hi guys,
I have a serious question about the process of randomization in card shuffling in online poker.
Is there any solution for it to make it 100% transparent and verifiable and simple at the same time as well? Please share any innovative idea if you have any.
Yes it is. 1 - you have to "provable randomly" shuffle the cards. 2 - you have to prove the cards were handed out in that shuffled order. But you would have to find a really smart solution to make it "simple". Hi guys,
I have a serious question about the process of randomization in card shuffling in online poker.
Is there any solution for it to make it 100% transparent and verifiable and simple at the same time as well? Please share any innovative idea if you have any.
It's not even called a solution if you are going to make 100% transparency when playing online poker. I guess there's no use and it's not even an innovative idea. The idea of playing poker will be useless and for sure many will forget this game online if all the cards are transparent to each other, everyone will be folding their cards and will just quit the game later on because there's no use of playing it. I don't think you know how provably fair systems works. (sorry if Im wrong) The thing is you dont need to show cards to each other. All you need is to make sure " the cards order was given at game start and has not changed during the game".This can be achieved by using "hash functions". IMO by transparent he means: to be verifiable That's why I'm a bit disagree if online poker games need skills, because as we hope the system will get a good card because the player with the highest-ranked poker hand is the winner, so it is crucial to understand the correct poker hand rankings. Nope, not always player with high cards wins on the poker, Poker really needs strategy because bluff is famous trick on that game. You can win even if you have the lowest card among the player on the table as long as you know how to right betting strategy and bluff somebody. Poker is not a game of high cards only but also in mental aspects. |
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October 26, 2017, 06:06:36 PM |
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Hi guys,
I have a serious question about the process of randomization in card shuffling in online poker.
Is there any solution for it to make it 100% transparent and verifiable and simple at the same time as well? Please share any innovative idea if you have any.
Yes it is. 1 - you have to "provable randomly" shuffle the cards. 2 - you have to prove the cards were handed out in that shuffled order. But you would have to find a really smart solution to make it "simple". Hi guys,
I have a serious question about the process of randomization in card shuffling in online poker.
Is there any solution for it to make it 100% transparent and verifiable and simple at the same time as well? Please share any innovative idea if you have any.
It's not even called a solution if you are going to make 100% transparency when playing online poker. I guess there's no use and it's not even an innovative idea. The idea of playing poker will be useless and for sure many will forget this game online if all the cards are transparent to each other, everyone will be folding their cards and will just quit the game later on because there's no use of playing it. I don't think you know how provably fair systems works. (sorry if Im wrong) The thing is you dont need to show cards to each other. All you need is to make sure " the cards order was given at game start and has not changed during the game".This can be achieved by using "hash functions". IMO by transparent he means: to be verifiable That's why I'm a bit disagree if online poker games need skills, because as we hope the system will get a good card because the player with the highest-ranked poker hand is the winner, so it is crucial to understand the correct poker hand rankings. Nope, not always player with high cards wins on the poker, Poker really needs strategy because bluff is famous trick on that game. You can win even if you have the lowest card among the player on the table as long as you know how to right betting strategy and bluff somebody. Poker is not a game of high cards only but also in mental aspects. This is the thing that do entertain me on playing poker which it is just not a simple game of cards which you would really need to use your skills,bluffings,intuitions,instincts and other related things that are essential in able to win the game and you are right even if you do have the lowest card if you do know how to control the pace by bluffing then you do have the advantage. |
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October 26, 2017, 08:46:27 PM |
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I've been playing online poker a very long time and I don't care what site I'm playing at or how transparent their RNG might be, when I go through streaks of unfavorable variance, there is always something in the back of my mind that says, "Rigged!" Then the tilt syndrome sets in and that distrust affects my decision making processes....so ---> if there were a means to insure the integrity of the game as a whole, I think that would be a good thing.
There's this thought going around that maybe some of these sites are "rigging" the game to skew the odds in favor of the "underdogs" in order to maintain site traffic to generate rake and fees. In the past, poker sites recognized lower traffic as the "sharks" (regs) optimized their game and became extremely skilled at finding and attacking the "bums" (recs) which discouraged and limited the amount of time recreational players spent on the poker sites....so....the thought is that skewing the odds in favor of the recs slightly would keep them in the game longer, thereby, generating more rake and fees for these sites ---> that hasn't been proven but there's a lot of anecdotal evidence that suggest it may be true.
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October 26, 2017, 08:53:30 PM |
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I've been playing online poker a very long time and I don't care what site I'm playing at or how transparent their RNG might be, when I go through streaks of unfavorable variance, there is always something in the back of my mind that says, "Rigged!" Then the tilt syndrome sets in and that distrust affects my decision making processes....so ---> if there were a means to insure the integrity of the game as a whole, I think that would be a good thing.
There's this thought going around that maybe some of these sites are "rigging" the game to skew the odds in favor of the "underdogs" in order to maintain site traffic to generate rake and fees. In the past, poker sites recognized lower traffic as the "sharks" (regs) optimized their game and became extremely skilled at finding and attacking the "bums" (recs) which discouraged and limited the amount of time recreational players spent on the poker sites....so....the thought is that skewing the odds in favor of the recs slightly would keep them in the game longer, thereby, generating more rake and fees for these sites ---> that hasn't been proven but there's a lot of anecdotal evidence that suggest it may be true.
I've been playing online poker a very long time and I don't care what site I'm playing at or how transparent their RNG might be, when I go through streaks of unfavorable variance, there is always something in the back of my mind that says, "Rigged!" Then the tilt syndrome sets in and that distrust affects my decision making processes....so ---> if there were a means to insure the integrity of the game as a whole, I think that would be a good thing.
There's this thought going around that maybe some of these sites are "rigging" the game to skew the odds in favor of the "underdogs" in order to maintain site traffic to generate rake and fees. In the past, poker sites recognized lower traffic as the "sharks" (regs) optimized their game and became extremely skilled at finding and attacking the "bums" (recs) which discouraged and limited the amount of time recreational players spent on the poker sites....so....the thought is that skewing the odds in favor of the recs slightly would keep them in the game longer, thereby, generating more rake and fees for these sites ---> that hasn't been proven but there's a lot of anecdotal evidence that suggest it may be true.
The reality may be that all professionals who are very few in gambling win at the expense of beginners and incompetent players. It seems to me that this has always been and will be so. |
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October 27, 2017, 10:56:13 AM |
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Hi guys,
I have a serious question about the process of randomization in card shuffling in online poker.
Is there any solution for it to make it 100% transparent and verifiable and simple at the same time as well? Please share any innovative idea if you have any.
There should be. It's just a matter of code, and likely any creative developer would be able to make one. There are so much possibilities in coding anyway, so I think it is 100% possible. The thing is that I don't think anyone would want to fund it. Online poker doesn't really pay well for owners, since it cost a lot to operate vs the profit margins they get on the games. |
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October 27, 2017, 11:28:48 AM |
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Hi guys,
I have a serious question about the process of randomization in card shuffling in online poker.
Is there any solution for it to make it 100% transparent and verifiable and simple at the same time as well? Please share any innovative idea if you have any.
There should be. It's just a matter of code, and likely any creative developer would be able to make one. There are so much possibilities in coding anyway, so I think it is 100% possible. The thing is that I don't think anyone would want to fund it. Online poker doesn't really pay well for owners, since it cost a lot to operate vs the profit margins they get on the games. random sharing by online poker sites, it's been proven to be honest. because there they use a coding system that only certain people can make it all transparent, because every card distribution also has its own sign, and if indeed you are smart you can certainly know in every turn that goes on. |
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Hello, Im the Dev for No Limit Coin (NLC2) a cryptocurrency and we have announced we are launching a no-rake online poker platform. After year 1, we will implement a $1 per month sub fee. So we want to build a large base for this and you get to play for free any level. All we look for is you use the coin. Even private tables will be avail. USA and restricted countries will not have buy in games, but there will be free rolls. USA will have private games with a no rake model for play chips. Outside the USA and restricted countries will have no rake NLC2 buy in for micro to big limits. Cash, sit and go and tourneys. Johnny Chan is our spokesperson. Check out his commercial. https://youtu.be/JJtDXS8iuyo. The website is nolimitcoinpoker.com On collusion we will have a KYC process for all players, this means that any game over $1 buy in will require you to register with an ID and a picture of you holding that ID. This is to eliminate collusion and know you are playing with a real person. So we tried to focus on the 2 main issues with online poker. Rake and collusion. I will check back to see any comments. We also have a post related to this in the NLC2 blog. |
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