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October 20, 2017, 11:38:20 AM
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So after the fork came in what did Roger Ver do? Did he believe in his vision so much so that he decided to give up on all of his Bitcoin after the fork?

If he believed in his vision so much surely he would have exchanged his Bitcoin for Bitcoin Cash. Anyone know?


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October 21, 2017, 07:13:09 PM
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Anybody know?

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October 21, 2017, 07:19:18 PM
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So after the fork came in what did Roger Ver do? Did he believe in his vision so much so that he decided to give up on all of his Bitcoin after the fork?

If he believed in his vision so much surely he would have exchanged his Bitcoin for Bitcoin Cash. Anyone know?



No he definitely didn't. He has made a lot of wagers with people to swap I think 1000 bitcoins (legacy) for segwit 2x bitcoins. One of those involved is Charlie Lee. He has said that he will support Bitcoin Cash if Bitcoin doesn't scale further in the future.

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October 21, 2017, 07:23:57 PM
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I seriously doubt that Roger Ver has completely divested out of Bitcoin. He has, after all, made this deal with Charlie Lee and a few other people in which they will trade Segwit1x and Segwit2x coins after the fork (although it may sound questionable whether he will genuinely follow through).
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October 21, 2017, 07:52:07 PM
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He definitely did not go all-in on Bitcoin Cash. He's said as much and faced criticism there on his reddit sub for talking the talk, but not walking the walk with regard to BCH.

I'd be weary of anything that Ver is supporting. He's just gotten slimier and slimier over the past couple of years.

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October 21, 2017, 07:59:58 PM
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So after the fork came in what did Roger Ver do? Did he believe in his vision so much so that he decided to give up on all of his Bitcoin after the fork?

If he believed in his vision so much surely he would have exchanged his Bitcoin for Bitcoin Cash. Anyone know?

No, he didn't. Greg Maxwell pointed out on Reddit that Roger's publicly identified bitcoins have not moved. So he definitely did not sell all his bitcoins for BCH, though he is definitely encouraging others to do so with his shenanigans on Bitcoin.com and with his media push with Craig Wright (fake Satoshi) and Calvin Ayre (Bodog). I can't be arsed to find the post because he posts so often, but you can search Greg's posts here: https://www.reddit.com/user/Nullc

He is definitely putting his reputation on the line, though, with his redefinition of Bitcoin, and he has burned a lot of bridges. Bitmain has certainly invested dearly in BCH, as they are clearly pointing a lot of hash power at it.

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October 21, 2017, 09:37:10 PM
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If he really believed in his push for the fork surely he should have sold all his Bitcoin and held just Bitcoin Cash.

Oh well I guess what was remaining of his reputation as been destroyed too

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October 21, 2017, 09:49:44 PM
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It was one of his big hopes that people will be fed up with high fees and slow network and will switch to BCC. His bet was called and we all found out he was bluffing. There's no wide acceptance of BCC, there's no gold rush, there's no abandoning BTC for it and there's no competition between these two coins.
Roger lost a battle, but it's not over yet. BCC may some day become a competitive, popular altcoin, like ETH, but it will never be a bitcoin's successor.

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October 21, 2017, 10:36:17 PM
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So after the fork came in what did Roger Ver do? Did he believe in his vision so much so that he decided to give up on all of his Bitcoin after the fork?

If he believed in his vision so much surely he would have exchanged his Bitcoin for Bitcoin Cash. Anyone know?



yeah, you assume he would have, but we all know that most likely some bull. no way in hell he liquidated all his bitcoin, being an early adopter and a huge evangelist before he decided to make his cash grab. if he did keep some however, we will never know. i doubt he is dumb enough to reuse addresses, and he is highly motivated to keep shit like that on the hyper hush. thats like catching the Pepsi dude drinking a Coke, its hilariously ironic but really telling when you think about it.  Huh

as if folks were gonna jump ship bhind some fees Embarrassed

I dont know what the current price of bcc is right now, but meh.

How did that work out for you, Roger?  Wink

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October 21, 2017, 10:43:01 PM
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It was one of his big hopes that people will be fed up with high fees and slow network and will switch to BCC. His bet was called and we all found out he was bluffing. There's no wide acceptance of BCC, there's no gold rush, there's no abandoning BTC for it and there's no competition between these two coins.
Roger lost a battle, but it's not over yet. BCC may some day become a competitive, popular altcoin, like ETH, but it will never be a bitcoin's successor.

But Ethereum is pure fraud.. a "fuel token" ICO scam "scheme coin" ICO coin cloning shitcoin platform.
"popular" means sweet fuck all.  Roll Eyes
BCC ? The crypto-idiot-dregs in "crypto" gove 0 shits about it.. they care about ROI's.
If punch an old lady in the head ICO was paying out they would dive on it hard with out question.
So the metric that something is popular (like Doge coin) is fucking retarded.

"crypto" failed.. long ago.
I agree with Jolly's assertion here but at least he tried to help fix the very broken Bitcoin.
Problem is "crypto" does not care.

Note: i couldn't care less about the guy either way.
I am not against him or siding with him.

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The majority does not care about BTC as a currency.. only as a commodity to trade and hoard and ..profit from.
The actual usability and tech behind is of no concern to them.
It being used as intended (as a currency) is of no interest to the profiteers.
The fact it's broken and rising in price is sort of fucked up i think.
THAT aspect has to be tantamount in any and all discussions or plans for Bitcoin.

You are expecting people who do not care.. to care.
They won't.
You are wasting your time.
They will ask what is in it for me ? How much do i get paid from this new coin scheme ?
By dumping the new forked coin they get their answer.. and there by killing off their support for it.

Apparently i am the only one telling the Investards in crypto...
Ask what you can do for crypto.. not what crypto can do for you.

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Now that i think about i think Roger probably should have gone down with the ship hard.
He should have shown a large token of faith and that may have even helped it succeed.
But.. the reality is he probably knew like the rest of us the chances of it succeeding was slim.
So he hedged his bet and that is sensible and rational if you think about it.
The name of the game is not going down with the ship for the sake of it.
With his money still he may still be able to "save Bitcoin".. or what ever his agenda is.

And yeah you can all chant "it didn't fail yet".
But i call bullshit..
If something is going to be a success (Bigger than Bitcoin) it's obvious from the start.
Then you have to factor in the amount of Altcoins there is (context)
Yup.. topics on it are in fact listed in the Altcoin section.. it's an Altcoin guys.
And no Altcoin has has had a shred of success in the slightest.
Context..

It's rather sad and pittiful.
People in crypto are not willing to take a risk nor are they interested in tech (why this forum was started)
They think "crypto" means "coinz" not.. cryptography and why it was used in the fist place.
No one cares about succeeding the block-chain concept.. they think using it with a gimmick is "innovation".
And since it failed with Bitcoin (the biggest coin in crypto) it was up the scene to take a RISK and support a new system.
What they chose to do was ICO everything.  Roll Eyes

I got out of crypto in 2013 when i realized how pitiful the situation is in "crypto".
Once i realized the mind set and behavior of the majority who control it i realized it's doomed.
Anyway Ver's only shot in hell is convincing idiots here who can barley speak English or tie their shoes that BCC is in their best (financial) interest.. otherwise it's not going anywhere.


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It's about pajeets earning enough BTC dust to buy their first pair of shoes.
Yes, shoe ownership is a big thing in some countries.

Maybe he should pull an Ethereum and get all the coins and spam the scene about it then pump it to death and hire a team to spam the forum about it everywhere.
It worked for Butters and what is left of his "holdings" he dumped.
Kind of funny how you talk like this on this topic when V. Butters premines himself a fortune then admits multiple times to dumping millions worth then admits too to not "believing in his" coin.
And you think i am just spouting off "FUD" ?
I ran a poll during the peak of ETH's first big pump hysteria and the users here said about 75% they did not believe in it but they will participate in trading it for profits.

That is all crypto is about now.
100% premine / ledger ICO ROI's.
Some block chain stuff is of no concern to these fucking pieces of shit flooding this place.
They are not crypto supporters or enthusiasts.
They are investards hoping to buy dump and cash out to FIAT and buy candy and toys.

Really the minority needs to put the majority little shits in their place.
Until then the crypto toilet will keep flushing.
A transfer of control is needed or.. convince the lemmings here to do what you want them to do.

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October 25, 2017, 10:16:07 AM
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If he really believed in his push for the fork surely he should have sold all his Bitcoin and held just Bitcoin Cash.

Oh well I guess what was remaining of his reputation as been destroyed too

I understand why he doesn't sell though. Even for instance lets say, that I'm a developer and a hardcore believer of bitcoin cash(NOTE: JUST AN EXAMPLE). I honestly wouldn't sell my bitcoin(BTC) because of the fact that I know that even though I don't believe in it, I still know that theoretically the price should go up in the future, which makes it a good idea to hold them, in a investment point of view.

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October 25, 2017, 03:56:35 PM
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If he really believed in his push for the fork surely he should have sold all his Bitcoin and held just Bitcoin Cash.

Oh well I guess what was remaining of his reputation as been destroyed too

I understand why he doesn't sell though. Even for instance lets say, that I'm a developer and a hardcore believer of bitcoin cash(NOTE: JUST AN EXAMPLE). I honestly wouldn't sell my bitcoin(BTC) because of the fact that I know that even though I don't believe in it, I still know that theoretically the price should go up in the future, which makes it a good idea to hold them, in a investment point of view.

He pushed for the fork because he believed in Bitcoin Cash but it seems he kept hold of his Bitcoins after the fork because, wait for it, Bitcoin will not be beaten by Bitcoin Cash.

Not impressed with Roger

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