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June 08, 2013, 08:52:26 PM
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I just checked my feedback and saw one from this guy. I never even dealt with him
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=83212

Mods please take care of this
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=64619

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June 08, 2013, 10:14:05 PM
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I think D35TR0Y3R = Kruniak = Boelens
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June 08, 2013, 10:19:11 PM
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Theymos (admin) already said he isn't removing fake feedback.

Also he isn't destorying your rep, cause the marketplace takes in multiple points to calculate a score for each person, research it.
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June 08, 2013, 10:21:52 PM
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Theymos (admin) already said he isn't removing fake feedback.

Also he isn't destorying your rep, cause the marketplace takes in multiple points to calculate a score for each person, research it.

yes but how many people know that

most are just going to see red text that says SCAM

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June 08, 2013, 10:24:19 PM
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Theymos (admin) already said he isn't removing fake feedback.

Also he isn't destorying your rep, cause the marketplace takes in multiple points to calculate a score for each person, research it.

yes but how many people know that

most are just going to see red text that says SCAM

Honestly if someone doesn't do trades with you cause they just see red text and don't look at the user that left it, then I wouldn't do trades with someone who is that dumb.
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June 09, 2013, 12:52:20 AM
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i dont think this is fair. I never know him and he negative me. But yet we cannot exchange because a person would click the trust icon to see a negative.
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June 09, 2013, 12:53:56 AM
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Theymos (admin) already said he isn't removing fake feedback.

Also he isn't destorying your rep, cause the marketplace takes in multiple points to calculate a score for each person, research it.

yes but how many people know that

most are just going to see red text that says SCAM

Honestly if someone doesn't do trades with you cause they just see red text and don't look at the user that left it, then I wouldn't do trades with someone who is that dumb.

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sounds pretty bad for business

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June 09, 2013, 12:56:52 AM
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June 09, 2013, 01:34:55 AM
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People still have java enabled?
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June 09, 2013, 01:37:17 AM
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June 09, 2013, 01:39:45 AM
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Yep apparently they do atleast 20 accounts hacked by this guy. He paid $20 for the exploit too  Roll Eyes
How do you know about this?
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June 09, 2013, 01:41:50 AM
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June 09, 2013, 03:18:35 AM
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How do you know about this?

Because he tried to sell me a bunch of these accounts.

For a small fee of 0.1BTC, I will release approx 10 usernames that he has hacked.
for a small fee.. you need to be banned..
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June 09, 2013, 03:22:48 AM
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June 09, 2013, 03:27:25 AM
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for a small fee.. you need to be banned..

Why should I be banned? I abide by all the forum rules, and rarely post out of my own threads.

If by any chance I have broken a rule please do not hesitate to let me know.
you know which users he has hacked... That means u should tell.. why would you want a person to get scammed? It's like you are aiding in his scams. Sorry but just telling it like it is.
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June 10, 2013, 06:12:09 AM
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Yeah I think the fake rep thing needs to be re-evaluated. I understand that everyone should do their due diligence pre-trade, no doubt. BUT, having red in your Trust rating or feedback is bad for business.

Way too often we are seeing scammers get outed then leaving bogus feedback for those who outed them. Happened to me. I (and many others) called saudibull out on his bullshit. Of course, he got mad and left all of us bogus feedback.

To be fair, I have been able to trade successfully even with the fake feedback. But having to explain it is a pain. Also, how many people have passed up on my offers without even contacting me because they saw red? I will never know.

What happens to a person who calls out scammers on a regular basis? They get penalized for doing good in the community. I'm sorry, but all the metrics that go into the rating don't matter to a newcomer looking to cash out BTC at a 10% mark-up. All they see is RED.

But what's gonna happen? Probably nothing because if the mods start removing fake feedback then that turns them into police and that is what they are trying to move away from. Then you will have people who abuse the system, trying to get legit feedback removed because they don't like it or whatever.

Overall the trust rating is a flawed system. The only thing you can really depend on is common sense.
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June 10, 2013, 06:28:16 AM
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Perhaps once a person is labeled a scammer that feedback that he left for others goes away?
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June 10, 2013, 06:37:44 AM
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Perhaps once a person is labeled a scammer that feedback that he left for others goes away?

Good idea at first, but think about it this way...

What if that scammer actually had some good trades prior to scamming? Say he left positive feedback for 3 trades before going scam-o and getting outed. Will those three people lose their positive feedback?

Also, unrelated to what you said, what about people who pay for feedback? As a potential scammer, couldn't I just pay a few members a little bit of coin to get them to pump up my feedback? If I am good, I could even create fake reference threads and have my shill feedbackers post in it, thus building my legitimacy even further. Once I get enough good feedback I wait until someone lets their guard down and says "OK YOU HAVE GREAT FEEDBACK I WILL SEND FIRST."

Boom. Scam completed.

I spent maybe $25 worth of BTC to pay some high post-count, low-moral people off, then I strike for $350. Good return on 25 bucks and a couple of days worth of posting.

The trust system is great when used properly, but everyone will not use it properly. Overall, it is very flawed.
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June 10, 2013, 06:44:25 AM
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Well yes there are flaws in the system, but I was only trying to solve the one where a person can tank another's feedback score maliciously.  My solution does not propose to solve the artificial inflation of scores, only the artificial degradation of them.

But, no, any good positive feedback remains so people who had trades with him before he was a scammer (or even after) retain their positive feedback.  It's similar to how ebay does it.  When a user is kicked off of eBay, his negative feedback for me gets erased, but when a user leaves eBay (or gets kicked off) or something else that causes their account to be closed, while their feedback is noted to be from a closed account, the positive feedback remains a part of my score.  At one point in time, I sold someone a book that they first claimed didn't arrive, then a few months later, when eBay refused to refund the money because I had proof of delivery, they mailed back to me (in new packaging) and demanded a refund (it was a very expensive book that I think she was trying to scam me out of).  Since I had proof of fraud, eBay terminated this member's account and my feedback rating went back to a 100%.
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