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June 27, 2011, 01:27:58 AM |
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Who is crazy, me or him?
(8:46:23 PM) friend: wall street folks are highly regulated
(8:46:25 PM) friend: by sec
(8:46:33 PM) friend: and tehy still trade their own accts
(8:46:41 PM) friend: theyr looking at jail time
(8:46:44 PM) friend: massive jail time
(8:46:56 PM) friend: whats gonna stop carpeles
(8:47:03 PM) friend: when nothing is regulated
(8:47:29 PM) me: thats the only way u can have a truly free market sadly
(8:47:38 PM) me: whats gonna stop him is if he insider trades
(8:47:42 PM) me: he loses all his business
(8:47:47 PM) friend: and 2 he isnt the best of moral characters on earth
(8:47:52 PM) me: prove it
(8:47:55 PM) me: ur seriously just
(8:47:59 PM) me: pulling accusations out of thin air
(8:48:03 PM) me: with zero evidence
(8:48:06 PM) me: its funny tho
(8:48:11 PM) me: just know ur not convincing anyone
(8:48:13 PM) me: except maybe urself
(8:48:16 PM) me: and ur bitterness
(8:48:20 PM) me: towards his 250k btc
(8:48:29 PM) friend: i didnt even know he had 250k
(8:48:30 PM) friend: btc
(8:48:32 PM) friend: until u told me
(8:48:34 PM) me: it was prob satoshis 250k anyways
(8:48:41 PM) me: karpeles prob only has a small amount
(8:48:44 PM) me: like 30k btc
(8:48:50 PM) me: who else would have 250k
(8:48:52 PM) me: but satoshi
(8:49:00 PM) me: that explains the 1500 btc
(8:49:01 PM) me: from 2009
(8:49:31 PM) me: whatever
(8:49:33 PM) me: u got goxed
(8:49:39 PM) me: i never had an account there
(8:49:42 PM) me: did u get your account back?
(8:50:31 PM) friend: yeah
(8:50:42 PM) me: why do u hate him then
(8:51:03 PM) friend: i dont hate him
(8:51:17 PM) me: yeah
(8:51:20 PM) me: i think u do
(8:51:24 PM) me: u talk like u do
(8:51:24 PM) friend: i thought about how it went from 32 to 10
(8:51:29 PM) me: it went from 32 to 10
(8:51:33 PM) friend: and that costed me 700$
(8:51:34 PM) me: because iidiots were stupid enoguh to buy
(8:51:35 PM) me: at 32
(8:51:42 PM) me: when that was overpriced
(8:51:46 PM) friend: no
(8:51:47 PM) me: so speculators came in and took their profits
(8:51:51 PM) me: that is how a free market works
(8:51:52 PM) friend: because someone sold huge amt
(8:51:58 PM) me: do u understand this? y/n?
(8:51:58 PM) friend: like 30k 30k 30k
(8:52:10 PM) friend: yes i do
(8:52:11 PM) me: yeah, someone can sell a huge amount in a free market, that is how it is supposed to be, do you understand? y/n?
(8:52:17 PM) me: ok
(8:52:17 PM) friend: yeah
(8:52:19 PM) me: so whats ur problem
(8:52:24 PM) me: u bought at 32
(8:52:25 PM) friend: but it was most likely
(8:52:26 PM) me: if u had held onto them
(8:52:33 PM) me: youd only be down 16 apeice
(8:52:36 PM) me: and prob even in a month
(8:52:45 PM) me: i just dont see how u can blame the exchange
(8:52:51 PM) me: for u voluntarily trading for btc at 32 each
(8:52:57 PM) me: they did not force u to trade for btc, y/n?
(8:53:16 PM) friend: LISTEN
(8:53:19 PM) friend: stop typing
(8:53:22 PM) friend: and LISTEN
(8:53:37 PM) friend: a free market is good, i agree.
(8:53:38 PM) friend: BUT
(8:54:04 PM) friend: nothing can get organized
(8:54:15 PM) friend: mtgox is unregulated
(8:54:39 PM) friend: too easy for them to call there friends
(8:54:42 PM) friend: and say hey
(8:54:50 PM) friend: theres a dark pool at 31.8
(8:54:57 PM) friend: that is 60k
(8:55:15 PM) friend: get it
(8:55:35 PM) friend: there is no one with orders over 3k
(8:55:37 PM) friend: or 10k
(8:55:51 PM) friend: we can see everyones acct balance
(8:55:56 PM) friend: we control the market
(8:56:07 PM) me: ok
(8:56:18 PM) me: u just dont understand
(8:56:20 PM) me: it would get out
(8:56:24 PM) me: and theyre business wouldbe crippled
(8:56:26 PM) me: for one score?
(8:56:28 PM) me: when they can just rake
(8:56:32 PM) me: and make infinite money slowly
(8:56:34 PM) me: not all ppl tihnk like u
(8:56:40 PM) me: just trying to make that one BIG FAST CASH SCORE
(8:56:46 PM) me: some ppl are content to slowly make guarantee money
(8:56:48 PM) me: get it ?
(8:56:51 PM) friend: how would it get out?
(8:56:58 PM) me: things like that
(8:57:02 PM) me: just have a way of becoming known
(8:57:05 PM) me: too many ppl get invovled
(8:57:08 PM) me: u gotta bribe them all
(8:57:14 PM) me: eventually one of them thinks they arent getting enough
(8:57:16 PM) me: go puiblic with it
(8:57:18 PM) me: hapens all the time
(8:57:19 PM) me: and even so
(8:57:22 PM) me: if it NEVER gets out
(8:57:25 PM) me: it IS NOT WORTH THE RISK
(8:57:29 PM) me: hes making 3k BTC A DAY FREE MONEY
(8:57:31 PM) me: for running a site
(8:57:33 PM) me: why RISK IT ALL
(8:57:35 PM) me: EVEN RISK IT
(8:57:38 PM) me: EVEN IF NOONE EVER FINDS OUT
(8:57:39 PM) me: WHY RISK
(8:57:46 PM) me: WHEN U CAN GUARANTE MAKE .65% OF EVERY TRADE
(8:57:48 PM) me: AND RAPE ON FEES
(8:57:50 PM) me: CAN U EXPLAIN WHY
(8:57:51 PM) me: WHY
(8:57:52 PM) me: WHY SOMEONE
(8:57:53 PM) me: WOULD EVER
(8:57:53 PM) me: BE THAT
(8:57:54 PM) me: STUPID
(8:57:55 PM) me: EVER
(8:57:56 PM) me: ?!?!?!?!?!?!??!
(8:57:58 PM) me: !?!?!?!??!?!?!?!
(8:57:59 PM) me: !?!??!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!
(8:58:00 PM) me: no
(8:58:01 PM) me: u cannot
(8:58:04 PM) me: because noone would
(8:58:08 PM) me: noone in their right mind u
(8:58:10 PM) me: u might do it
(8:58:13 PM) me: cause ur literally insane
(8:58:14 PM) me: in the membrane
(8:58:16 PM) friend: why would multi millionaires
(8:58:18 PM) me: but no rational human woudl
(8:58:20 PM) friend: inside trade
(8:58:23 PM) friend: on wall street
(8:58:31 PM) friend: they are raking in 20m a year
(8:58:33 PM) me: to get more money
(8:58:38 PM) friend: EXACTLY
(8:58:39 PM) me: with no risk
(8:58:42 PM) me: because they work for wall street
(8:58:43 PM) friend: and they are closely regulated
(8:58:44 PM) me: they can just quit
(8:58:47 PM) me: and go work at another firm
(8:58:50 PM) me: if they get caught
(8:58:53 PM) me: u really think these ppl
(8:58:56 PM) me: have to face up for their actions?
(8:58:59 PM) me: its not af ree market dude
(8:59:00 PM) friend: no if they get caught
(8:59:01 PM) me: all government involved
(8:59:03 PM) me: all bribes
(8:59:05 PM) friend: they get fucked
(8:59:07 PM) me: its incredibly corrupt
(8:59:13 PM) me: ok
(8:59:18 PM) me: so then prob only 1% of ppl do it then
(8:59:23 PM) me: or its really hard to catch
(8:59:26 PM) me: cause noone making 20m a year
(8:59:28 PM) friend: enron
(8:59:28 PM) me: would be that greedy
(8:59:30 PM) me: unless their iditso
(8:59:32 PM) me: ok enron
(8:59:35 PM) me: one company out of 1,000
(8:59:36 PM) friend: one of the dudes committed suicide
(8:59:37 PM) me: way to prove my point
(8:59:43 PM) friend: yeah
(8:59:48 PM) me: im saying theres a 1% chance someone is scum
(8:59:50 PM) me: and does it
(8:59:53 PM) friend: yeah
(8:59:55 PM) me: ur saying theres a 100% chance karpeles
(8:59:56 PM) me: is doing it
(8:59:59 PM) friend: in a regulated exchange
(8:59:59 PM) me: i say its 1% or less
(9:00:03 PM) friend: 1% ppl do it
(9:00:05 PM) me: theres no REASON to
(9:00:13 PM) friend: in a unregulated exchange
(9:00:14 PM) me: when it would be so easy
(9:00:16 PM) friend: where if u get caught
(9:00:16 PM) me: dude dont u realize
(9:00:18 PM) me: tons of ppl
(9:00:20 PM) friend: u walk away freely
(9:00:23 PM) me: all mtgox data is public
(9:00:23 PM) friend: with no fines
(9:00:28 PM) me: and all btc transactions are public
(9:00:31 PM) me: someone would fucking figure it out
(9:00:36 PM) me: therees tons of smart ppl analyzing this stuff
(9:00:38 PM) me: its all out in the open
(9:00:40 PM) me: there is no fuckign way
(9:00:42 PM) me: he could just insider trade
(9:00:51 PM) me: and not have someone notice gee uhhhh somethigns wrong with the market
(9:00:54 PM) me: and then word would spread
(9:00:55 PM) friend: hes doing it slowly
(9:00:57 PM) me: and his exchange would collapse
(9:00:58 PM) me: ok pal
(9:01:03 PM) me: u say im a conspiracy theorist
(9:01:04 PM) friend: obv not sell 500k
(9:01:07 PM) me: when ur making up a conspiracy
(9:01:10 PM) me: that literally requires
(9:01:13 PM) me: SO MANY VARIABLES
(9:01:16 PM) me: to be exactly what you say
(9:01:18 PM) me: but im the theories
(9:01:21 PM) me: hahaha
(9:01:29 PM) friend: it doesnt require anything
(9:01:33 PM) friend: lolomfg
(9:01:36 PM) friend: u kiding me
(9:01:52 PM) friend: it requires an acct
(9:02:00 PM) friend: a pw
(9:02:04 PM) friend: and an email
(9:02:05 PM) friend: hahaha
(9:02:18 PM) friend: and a phone
(9:02:22 PM) friend: or messenger
(9:02:59 PM) me: and it also requires u being clever enough to avoid detection
(9:03:06 PM) me: and risking your entire MILLION DOLLAR BUSINESS
(9:03:10 PM) friend: how are they going to detect
(9:03:13 PM) me: which youve invested countless time
(9:03:15 PM) me: and energy into
(9:03:15 PM) friend: how is anyone going to detect
(9:03:18 PM) me: but youre gonna risk it all
(9:03:20 PM) me: for that quick score
(9:03:21 PM) me: hahahahah
(9:03:25 PM) me: ur literally delusional bud
(9:03:26 PM) friend: no its not a quick score
(9:03:27 PM) me: duno what to say to u
(9:03:37 PM) me: anyone can buy or sell btc for usd on mtgox
(9:03:37 PM) friend: its easy
(9:03:46 PM) friend: ur just trading like 1k -5k
(9:03:53 PM) friend: at every ceiling
(9:03:54 PM) me: how do u know karpeles even has access to the dark pool information
(9:03:59 PM) me: it could be encrypted and stored
(9:04:02 PM) me: so even he doesnt know
(9:04:07 PM) me: then he could trade without any advantage
(9:04:09 PM) me: u just dont know anything
(9:04:20 PM) me: and how does he know when its gonna ceiling
(9:04:24 PM) me: like u say when a bunch of deposits come in
(9:04:26 PM) me: but like
(9:04:30 PM) me: theres ppl who have mtgoxusd
(9:04:31 PM) me: just sitting there
(9:04:34 PM) me: waiting to buy
(9:04:38 PM) me: and same thing with btc, ppl waiting to sell
(9:04:39 PM) friend: uh
(9:04:39 PM) friend: uh
(9:04:40 PM) friend: uh
(9:04:41 PM) friend: uh
(9:04:42 PM) friend: uh
(9:04:42 PM) me: so he'd have to KNOW when it was gonna ceiling
(9:04:44 PM) me: and then
(9:04:45 PM) friend: he does the deposists
(9:04:46 PM) me: sell quicker
(9:04:48 PM) me: than the other ppl
(9:04:50 PM) me: who had btc
(9:04:50 PM) friend: manually
(9:04:53 PM) me: trying to sell at the ceiling
(9:04:56 PM) me: what does that have to do
(9:04:58 PM) me: with anything
(9:05:01 PM) me: ok
(9:05:02 PM) me: im done
(9:05:03 PM) me: im literally done
(9:05:11 PM) me: not gonna explain to u for the 50th time how an exchange
(9:05:13 PM) me: works
(9:05:40 PM) me: enjoy ur conspiracy theories
(9:05:45 PM) me: hope u get far with them
(9:05:51 PM) me: ill stick to embracing my diet
(9:05:55 PM) me: and thinking about life
(9:06:02 PM) friend: ok
(9:06:19 PM) friend: it is much more likely for ppl to be inclined to insider trading
(9:06:25 PM) me: stop dude
(9:06:30 PM) me: u dont understand the simplest of concepts
(9:06:32 PM) friend: rather than regulated
(9:06:33 PM) me: knowledge of the deposits means nothing
(9:06:40 PM) me: he cant force ppl to use those deposits
(9:06:47 PM) friend: ok
(9:06:56 PM) me: and he cant force ppl with btc to sell either
(9:07:02 PM) friend: IF HE KNOWS THAT NO ONE IS SITTING WITH 500K CASH
(9:07:07 PM) me: all he does is facilitate an exchange
(9:07:10 PM) me: for a small fee
(9:07:12 PM) me: hahaha
(9:07:12 PM) friend: THEN HE KNOWS FOR A FACT THERE WON'T BE A HUGE BUY
(9:07:17 PM) friend: IN AN INSTANT
(9:07:19 PM) me: when is anyone ever sitting with 500k
(9:07:22 PM) me: ur outta ur mind
(9:07:25 PM) me: its funny
(9:07:31 PM) me: it makes so much sense in ur head
(9:07:34 PM) me: thats why im not gonna argue
(9:07:36 PM) me: but ur wrong
(9:07:37 PM) me: just know that
(9:07:57 PM) friend: I AM NOT WRONG
(9:08:06 PM) friend: INSIDER TRADING MEANS
(9:08:12 PM) friend: YOU ARE TRADING AT AN ADVANTAGE
(9:08:18 PM) friend: THIS MARKET IS SO SMALL
(9:08:33 PM) friend: THAT THERE ARE TOO LITTLE VARIABLES
(9:08:40 PM) friend: INFO IS TOO IMPORTANT
(9:09:01 PM) me: i just explained to u
(9:09:08 PM) me: there is no clear way for him to gain an advantage
(9:09:31 PM) me: if u are so sure theres an advantage, literally NOTHING is stopping u from starting your own exchange, and doing all these things you talk about him doing
(9:09:37 PM) me: lets see if you make money, or get RAPED
(9:09:38 PM) me: hahahaah
(9:09:42 PM) me: freakin genius man
(9:09:45 PM) me: info is too important
(9:09:49 PM) me: info that deposits are coming in
(9:09:50 PM) friend: MY EXCCHANGE MEANS NOTHING
(9:09:52 PM) me: info that he can use for what?
(9:09:57 PM) me: info that ppl have mtgoxusd
(9:10:04 PM) me: and can of their own free will trade it for btc
(9:10:06 PM) friend: BC IF I MAKE AN EXCHANGE, DOESN'T MEAN IT CONTROLS THE MARKET
(9:10:07 PM) me: how does that help him?
(9:10:09 PM) me: hahaha
(9:10:16 PM) me: there is no advtange
(9:10:19 PM) me: just get that thru your head
(9:10:22 PM) me: there is no advantage
(9:10:45 PM) friend: DARK POOLS
(9:11:00 PM) friend: HE IS NOT GOING TO NOT BE ABLE TO SEE DARK POOLS
(9:11:06 PM) friend: LOL
(9:11:11 PM) friend: AT HIM ENCRYPTING IT
(9:11:16 PM) friend: HAHAHA
(9:11:55 PM) friend: HERES WHY I CANT RUN AN EXCHANGE AND DO THAT
(9:12:02 PM) me: how does dark pool knowledge hepl him make money trading
(9:12:02 PM) me: how does dark pool knowledge hepl him make money trading
(9:12:02 PM) me: how does dark pool knowledge hepl him make money trading
(9:12:02 PM) me: how does dark pool knowledge hepl him make money trading
(9:12:03 PM) me: how does dark pool knowledge hepl him make money trading
(9:12:03 PM) me: how does dark pool knowledge hepl him make money trading
(9:12:08 PM) friend: B/C MY EXCHANGE IS NOT BIG ENOUGH
(9:12:13 PM) me: dark pool is just so ppl wont use bots
(9:12:13 PM) me: dark pool is just so ppl wont use bots
dark pool is just so ppl wont use bots
(9:12:14 PM) me: dark pool is just so ppl wont use bots
(9:12:14 PM) me: dark pool is just so ppl wont use bots
(9:12:14 PM) me: dark pool is just so ppl wont use bots
(9:12:14 PM) me: dark pool is just so ppl wont use bots
(9:12:15 PM) me: dark pool is just so ppl wont use bots
(9:12:23 PM) me: ur literally clueless as to how any of this stuff works, and i am done
(9:12:26 PM) me: hahahaha
(9:12:39 PM) me: if he knows theres a dark pool
(9:12:42 PM) me: that dosnt make him any money
(9:12:44 PM) me: hahahahahahaha
(9:12:47 PM) me: its so ppl can trade
(9:12:51 PM) me: without affecting the market price
(9:12:54 PM) me: put orders up at least
(9:13:00 PM) me: if it gets traded, then it still affects the price
(9:13:03 PM) me: because the trade will show up
(9:13:13 PM) me: u rlly talk a lot for someone who doesnt even understand the most basic of things
(9:13:32 PM) me: the size of the exchange doesnt matter at all anyways, since u said ppl who make 20m will insider trade, so why would u do it for 5$?
(9:13:47 PM) friend: IT DOES
(9:13:55 PM) friend: BC UR ALL TRADING THE SAME COMMODITY
(9:13:58 PM) friend: DUMBASS
(9:14:01 PM) me: ok
(9:14:03 PM) me: that makes sense
(9:14:04 PM) me: NOT
(9:14:52 PM) friend: IF I WERE GOING TO MAKE AN EXCHANGE
(9:15:01 PM) me: just explain to me
(9:15:04 PM) me: this very simple thing
(9:15:05 PM) friend: AND IT WOULD HAVE LIKE 90% VOLUME
(9:15:09 PM) me: how does he profit from knowleedge of dark pools
(9:15:11 PM) friend: OF ALL THE MARKETS
(9:15:13 PM) me: and how does he profit from knowledge of deposits
(9:15:18 PM) me: i need you to expalin to me
(9:15:21 PM) me: how that gives him more profit
(9:15:26 PM) me: cause i honestly dont understand
(9:15:30 PM) me: if i knew about the dark pools, thats it
(9:15:32 PM) me: i know they exist
(9:15:37 PM) friend: OK
(9:15:39 PM) me: but say theres an order to buy
(9:15:40 PM) me: at 20?
(9:15:41 PM) me: ok?
(9:15:45 PM) me: for 100k btc
(9:15:49 PM) me: i cant fill that order
(9:15:53 PM) me: because the higher orders have to be filled first
(9:15:56 PM) me: so it doesnt matter
(9:15:58 PM) me: dont u get it?
(9:15:59 PM) me: sigh
(9:16:08 PM) me: err at 10$
(9:16:14 PM) me: not 20, because obv that would filled
(9:16:18 PM) me: since its 16 right now
(9:16:31 PM) me: but someone wants to buy 100k btc for 1mill usd at 10
(9:16:35 PM) me: mtgox cant just fill that order
(9:16:36 PM) friend: the buys are not as relevant
(9:16:38 PM) friend: as the sells
(9:16:40 PM) me: the higher orders have to be filled first
(9:16:41 PM) me: im just saying
(9:16:44 PM) me: theres no advantage
(9:16:45 PM) me: either way
(9:16:51 PM) me: dark pools are simply
(9:16:54 PM) friend: there is an order
(9:16:55 PM) me: so that ppl wont have to write trading bots
(9:16:59 PM) friend: at 20
(9:17:02 PM) me: to sell of a bunch at a vertain price
(9:17:02 PM) friend: for 100k
(9:17:20 PM) friend: and at 25 for 200k
(9:17:25 PM) friend: and a whole bunch
(9:17:28 PM) friend: near 20-25
(9:17:44 PM) friend: thats clearly a brick wall
(9:17:55 PM) friend: say its at 19.4
(9:18:02 PM) friend: or 18
(9:18:05 PM) friend: say its at 18
(9:18:07 PM) me: ok
(9:18:10 PM) me: he still cant control
(9:18:12 PM) friend: ur regular folk
(9:18:12 PM) me: what legit traders too
(9:18:18 PM) me: legit traders might assume the brick wall is at 19
(9:18:18 PM) friend: has no idea
(9:18:20 PM) me: and sell before he can
(9:18:22 PM) friend: if it is goign to breach 20
(9:18:26 PM) friend: and goto 24
(9:18:32 PM) me: ok
(9:18:34 PM) me: so then they dont trade
(9:18:39 PM) me: thats bad for karpeles
(9:18:41 PM) me: do u see?
(9:18:45 PM) me: and he doesnt make any money
(9:18:51 PM) me: i mean ur whole theory is just insane
(9:18:59 PM) me: dont u realize the avg mtgox user has like 50 bucks
(9:19:10 PM) me: ppl insider trade on wall street casue it makes them millions
(9:19:16 PM) me: with your theory hed make like an extra 50btc a day
(9:19:18 PM) me: and risk his whole busienss
(9:19:20 PM) me: hahahahahahaha
(9:19:25 PM) me: really just gotta laugh at u sorry
(9:19:44 PM) friend: thats an extra 1k a day
(9:19:59 PM) friend: if he has like 20 ppl do it
(9:20:03 PM) me: oh yeah
(9:20:06 PM) me: that'd never get found out
(9:20:07 PM) me: hahaha 20 ppl
(9:20:12 PM) me: u are literally out of ur FUCKING MIND
(9:20:16 PM) me: 20 ppl
(9:20:17 PM) me: oh man
(9:20:18 PM) friend: how would they get caught
(9:20:21 PM) me: this is hilarious
(9:20:28 PM) me: no of course they wouldnt
(9:20:29 PM) me: please go on
(9:20:31 PM) me: with this master plan
(9:20:35 PM) me: u should actually contact mark
(9:20:36 PM) friend: thats whats causing an already unstable market
(9:20:38 PM) me: tell him of this
(9:20:40 PM) friend: to be extra insane
(9:20:41 PM) me: i tihnk hed be interested
(9:20:44 PM) me: ohhhhhhhhhh
(9:20:46 PM) me: THATS WHATS CAUSING IT
(9:20:54 PM) me: i thought it was cause it was like a revolutionary new commodity
(9:21:03 PM) me: with increasing demand but also concerns for its infrastructure
(9:21:09 PM) me: OF COURSE! IT WAS KARPELES CAUSING IT!
(9:21:11 PM) me: BRILLIANT!
(9:21:28 PM) friend: i didnt say insider trading was 100% causing it
(9:21:39 PM) friend: its making it MORE swingy
(9:21:43 PM) friend: it is not he cause
(9:21:49 PM) me: interesting theory
(9:21:51 PM) friend: it is the fuel to the fire
(9:21:52 PM) me: post it on the forums
(9:22:00 PM) me: theres plent y of mtgox haters there
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