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October 22, 2017, 09:17:46 AM |
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Was i really just so unlucky to check last night, see they are in stock, wake up, go to my pc to buy a few and miss them, website saying they are out of stock...
any advice? should i wait or did i miss my chance for this batch?
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October 22, 2017, 09:22:10 AM |
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Well they are out of stock so you obviously missed this batch. You will have to wait for next batch if you want to buy Antminer S9 from Bitmain ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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October 22, 2017, 09:24:35 AM |
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i literally just waited for polo to confirm my funds so i can send shitty bitcoin cash...
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lunobird
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October 22, 2017, 09:24:55 AM |
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Just buy Bitcoin directly. I have s9 and it's almost a year and I still have not ROI yet my initial btc payment.
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Weaver (OP)
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October 22, 2017, 09:33:45 AM |
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Just buy Bitcoin directly. I have s9 and it's almost a year and I still have not ROI yet my initial btc payment.
im not buying from me, im handling money for an investor who is very interested in it
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October 22, 2017, 09:36:29 AM |
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They usually sell them in batches, so you have to be very careful when they release another one. Take into account that Bitmain only accepts Bitcoin Cash so be prepared.
good luck
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Weaver (OP)
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October 22, 2017, 09:39:01 AM |
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They usually sell them in batches, so you have to be very careful when they release another one. Take into account that Bitmain only accepts Bitcoin Cash so be prepared.
good luck
how often do batches usually come out?
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October 22, 2017, 09:42:21 AM |
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Just buy Bitcoin directly. I have s9 and it's almost a year and I still have not ROI yet my initial btc payment.
This is bullshit, isnt it? ^^ Unless you overpaid like a boss.
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Weaver (OP)
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October 22, 2017, 10:02:05 AM |
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Just buy Bitcoin directly. I have s9 and it's almost a year and I still have not ROI yet my initial btc payment.
This is bullshit, isnt it? ^^ Unless you overpaid like a boss. my guess as well
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October 22, 2017, 11:48:10 AM |
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Just buy Bitcoin directly. I have s9 and it's almost a year and I still have not ROI yet my initial btc payment.
If this is true... you seriously need to get out of crypto... ASAP! (reality check) I cannot fathom a situation this is true.
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October 22, 2017, 12:28:03 PM |
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Just buy Bitcoin directly. I have s9 and it's almost a year and I still have not ROI yet my initial btc payment.
If this is true... you seriously need to get out of crypto... ASAP! (reality check) I cannot fathom a situation this is true. maybe he bought it of ebay... or maybe he paid for it right after a really big price surge... and he is considering the amount paid in crypto, not in fiat counterpart
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October 22, 2017, 02:20:31 PM Last edit: October 23, 2017, 03:49:21 AM by philipma1957 |
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@ op check bitmain right now and every hour on the hour for all of today sometimes there are cancelations I have been able to order this way on occasion .
note I decided my other posts are a thread hijack and deleted them
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Scrappy Do
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October 22, 2017, 02:48:41 PM |
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Just buy Bitcoin directly. I have s9 and it's almost a year and I still have not ROI yet my initial btc payment.
If this is true... you seriously need to get out of crypto... ASAP! (reality check) I cannot fathom a situation this is true. maybe he bought it of ebay... or maybe he paid for it right after a really big price surge... and he is considering the amount paid in crypto, not in fiat counterpart yeah he is most likely a btc not fiat believer. @ op check bitmain right now and every hour on the hour for all of today sometimes there are cancelations I have been able to order this way on occasion . There is no timeline in the history since the s9 was introduced in the past 6 months that the miner has not paid for itself period. With that said it is understood that the s9 was purchased directly from Bitmain. If he went to another source and over paid I still cannot imagine it not paying for itself in 1 year. It simply does not make sense. It does not matter if you look at it as fiat or BTC, The damn thing has made money or it is frigging broke and not hashing properly. Phil' is on the money with his statement about restock. Bitmain (even when they are not in operational hours) resets dead orders and releases them to the public till the entire lot is sold and paid for. Scrap'
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October 22, 2017, 07:40:04 PM |
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Was i really just so unlucky to check last night, see they are in stock, wake up, go to my pc to buy a few and miss them, website saying they are out of stock...
any advice? should i wait or did i miss my chance for this batch?
Bitmain been selling the s9 for awhile now. They had the 13.5gh batch, that was available on the site for a few days, maybe even a week i think before they sold out. The 14gh was available for a few days. I began to wonder why these units werent selling out in hrs. So i chose not to make an order. Now one of my buddies are offering me their order at cost price, and looking at btc price this seems to also make me think if i should go through with it or am i dodging a bullet here. Im pretty much lost atm if to buy or not . Maybe there will be new gen of miners next yr.
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October 22, 2017, 08:05:36 PM Last edit: October 22, 2017, 08:36:02 PM by lunobird |
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To answer some of your questions in more details. I bought three S9 miners on hashnest for usd price around $1800-$1500 per unit, during different time frames. Jan, Feb, and May of this year. The btc transfers were also done during favorable to stable times, I traded the btc for machines when btc was at the higher values for those time frames. I also got the fast deployment advantage head start. They are hosting my miners and they itemize everything., None of that scammy genesis mining crap where you control ur hashrate with a slider bar. I pay 0.15 cent's for electric rate in california, so i decided that hosting it is not a bad idea due to higher electric rates I have at home. The Stats don't lie. Total initial cost in btc is stated at 3.78 btc for all three s9 purchases. Payout total is 3.21 btc. Maintenance/electric cost 0.8 btc. Maintence/payout is 15.39 percent. Based off of these stats I still have not recovered my ROI in btc yet. At times I wish I should have just kept my initial 3.78 btc in purchases b/c I would have more btc's compared to mining it. If they mine it for another 2 more years and I can go a little bit over my initial btc purchase I would be happy. But it has to be last least 1 extra btc from my initial btc purchase to make it worth the risk of china shutting it down, hashnest going down, etc. Now back to my point. Your better off buying btc compared to mining it, Why give someone 1 btc and they give you back 0.75 btc after a year. ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif) ?? Get my Point?
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October 22, 2017, 09:45:18 PM |
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To answer some of your questions in more details. I bought three S9 miners on hashnest for usd price around $1800-$1500 per unit, during different time frames. Jan, Feb, and May of this year. The btc transfers were also done during favorable to stable times, I traded the btc for machines when btc was at the higher values for those time frames. I also got the fast deployment advantage head start. They are hosting my miners and they itemize everything., None of that scammy genesis mining crap where you control ur hashrate with a slider bar. I pay 0.15 cent's for electric rate in california, so i decided that hosting it is not a bad idea due to higher electric rates I have at home. The Stats don't lie. Total initial cost in btc is stated at 3.78 btc for all three s9 purchases. Payout total is 3.21 btc. Maintenance/electric cost 0.8 btc. Maintence/payout is 15.39 percent. Based off of these stats I still have not recovered my ROI in btc yet. At times I wish I should have just kept my initial 3.78 btc in purchases b/c I would have more btc's compared to mining it. If they mine it for another 2 more years and I can go a little bit over my initial btc purchase I would be happy. But it has to be last least 1 extra btc from my initial btc purchase to make it worth the risk of china shutting it down, hashnest going down, etc. Now back to my point. Your better off buying btc compared to mining it, Why give someone 1 btc and they give you back 0.75 btc after a year. ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif) ?? Get my Point? yes I do you simply use accounting that could put you in prison since you are USA based. Not only that you own 3 machines that are about 40th in hash which sell for 2.6btc so if you spent 3.78 and were paid back 3.21 - 15% it nets to (3.21 -.4815) = 2.7285 net return 3.78000 out lay 2.72850 paid back 1.05150 is the amount you have not got back since the 40 th you have mining as I type would sell at 2.6152 btc minus a small sell fee I would say they are at 2.6 btc so 2.60000 btc 1.05150 btc 1.5485 btc profit I always wonder about posters like you. do you really think you lost out and are at negative btc? do you understand that usa account laws would not give a shit about your btc concept? now cash wise lets pretend the value of the btc you put in was 3000 a coin 3000 x 3.78 = 11340 cash in if you held all coins you have 2.7285 and the gear sells for 2.6000 that is 5.3285 at 6k a coin 31,971 usd 31,971 11,340 20,631 profit So you made money if you do fiat you made btc if you do btc so I ask again do you think you are a loser on your investment? in btc or in fiat? (grabs mic from Phil') Not to mention you said a year old then turn around and say they are actually 9 months, 8 months, and 5 months old. (drops mic to the floor) Scrap' out....
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October 22, 2017, 09:50:30 PM Last edit: October 22, 2017, 10:26:02 PM by lunobird |
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To answer some of your questions in more details. I bought three S9 miners on hashnest for usd price around $1800-$1500 per unit, during different time frames. Jan, Feb, and May of this year. The btc transfers were also done during favorable to stable times, I traded the btc for machines when btc was at the higher values for those time frames. I also got the fast deployment advantage head start. They are hosting my miners and they itemize everything., None of that scammy genesis mining crap where you control ur hashrate with a slider bar. I pay 0.15 cent's for electric rate in california, so i decided that hosting it is not a bad idea due to higher electric rates I have at home. The Stats don't lie. Total initial cost in btc is stated at 3.78 btc for all three s9 purchases. Payout total is 3.21 btc. Maintenance/electric cost 0.8 btc. Maintence/payout is 15.39 percent. Based off of these stats I still have not recovered my ROI in btc yet. At times I wish I should have just kept my initial 3.78 btc in purchases b/c I would have more btc's compared to mining it. If they mine it for another 2 more years and I can go a little bit over my initial btc purchase I would be happy. But it has to be last least 1 extra btc from my initial btc purchase to make it worth the risk of china shutting it down, hashnest going down, etc. Now back to my point. Your better off buying btc compared to mining it, Why give someone 1 btc and they give you back 0.75 btc after a year. ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif) ?? Get my Point? yes I do you simply use accounting that could put you in prison since you are USA based. Not only that you own 3 machines that are about 40th in hash which sell for 2.6btc so if you spent 3.78 and were paid back 3.21 - 15% it nets to (3.21 -.4815) = 2.7285 net return 3.78000 out lay 2.72850 paid back 1.05150 is the amount you have not got back since the 40 th you have mining as I type would sell at 2.6152 btc minus a small sell fee I would say they are at 2.6 btc so 2.60000 btc 1.05150 btc 1.5485 btc profit I always wonder about posters like you. do you really think you lost out and are at negative btc? do you understand that usa account laws would not give a shit about your btc concept? now cash wise lets pretend the value of the btc you put in was 3000 a coin 3000 x 3.78 = 11340 cash in if you held all coins you have 2.7285 and the gear sells for 2.6000 that is 5.3285 at 6k a coin 31,971 usd 31,971 11,340 20,631 profit So you made money if you do fiat you made btc if you do btc so I ask again do you think you are a loser on your investment? in btc or in fiat? Give me 1 btc and I'll give you back 0.75 btc next month when the value is up. Wanna do the trade? Thought so bro, nobody would make that trade. Since I never Realized the profits yet or cashed out to fiat it's not real cash. Bitcoin can still crash. Point being is that mining Bitcoin is risky and not lucrative like you noobs think it is You will end up with less Bitcoin compared to what you started out with. Btc mining is highly competitive now. I was able to ROI my litecoin a little over a month in both ltc or usd and that was a smarter move. Let's break it down to something simple. If your a gold miner but need to buy equipment that cost 1 bullion bar and they only take gold as payment. After the gold rush ended you end up mining less 0.75 bullion bars but value for gold increase. Why the hell were you mining in the first place. You would have made more doing nothing, just hodling that gold bar. You should never run an operation relaying on just speculation of value increase that may or may not happen. Only go into business if it can output more gold than what you started out with.
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October 23, 2017, 02:22:58 AM Last edit: October 23, 2017, 02:33:01 AM by lunobird |
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To answer some of your questions in more details. I bought three S9 miners on hashnest for usd price around $1800-$1500 per unit, during different time frames. Jan, Feb, and May of this year. The btc transfers were also done during favorable to stable times, I traded the btc for machines when btc was at the higher values for those time frames. I also got the fast deployment advantage head start. They are hosting my miners and they itemize everything., None of that scammy genesis mining crap where you control ur hashrate with a slider bar. I pay 0.15 cent's for electric rate in california, so i decided that hosting it is not a bad idea due to higher electric rates I have at home. The Stats don't lie. Total initial cost in btc is stated at 3.78 btc for all three s9 purchases. Payout total is 3.21 btc. Maintenance/electric cost 0.8 btc. Maintence/payout is 15.39 percent. Based off of these stats I still have not recovered my ROI in btc yet. At times I wish I should have just kept my initial 3.78 btc in purchases b/c I would have more btc's compared to mining it. If they mine it for another 2 more years and I can go a little bit over my initial btc purchase I would be happy. But it has to be last least 1 extra btc from my initial btc purchase to make it worth the risk of china shutting it down, hashnest going down, etc. Now back to my point. Your better off buying btc compared to mining it, Why give someone 1 btc and they give you back 0.75 btc after a year. ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif) ?? Get my Point? yes I do you simply use accounting that could put you in prison since you are USA based. Not only that you own 3 machines that are about 40th in hash which sell for 2.6btc so if you spent 3.78 and were paid back 3.21 - 15% it nets to (3.21 -.4815) = 2.7285 net return 3.78000 out lay 2.72850 paid back 1.05150 is the amount you have not got back since the 40 th you have mining as I type would sell at 2.6152 btc minus a small sell fee I would say they are at 2.6 btc so 2.60000 btc 1.05150 btc 1.5485 btc profit I always wonder about posters like you. do you really think you lost out and are at negative btc? do you understand that usa account laws would not give a shit about your btc concept? now cash wise lets pretend the value of the btc you put in was 3000 a coin 3000 x 3.78 = 11340 cash in if you held all coins you have 2.7285 and the gear sells for 2.6000 that is 5.3285 at 6k a coin 31,971 usd 31,971 11,340 20,631 profit So you made money if you do fiat you made btc if you do btc so I ask again do you think you are a loser on your investment? in btc or in fiat? Give me 1 btc and I'll give you back 0.75 btc next month when the value is up. Wanna do the trade? Thought so bro, nobody would make that trade. Since I never Realized the profits yet or cashed out to fiat it's not real cash. Bitcoin can still crash. Point being is that mining Bitcoin is risky and not lucrative like you noobs think it is You will end up with less Bitcoin compared to what you started out with. Btc mining is highly competitive now. I was able to ROI my litecoin a little over a month in both ltc or usd and that was a smarter move. Let's break it down to something simple. If your a gold miner but need to buy equipment that cost 1 bullion bar and they only take gold as payment. After the gold rush ended you end up mining less 0.75 bullion bars but value for gold increase. Why the hell were you mining in the first place. You would have made more doing nothing, just hodling that gold bar. You should never run an operation relaying on just speculation of value increase that may or may not happen. Only go into business if it can output more gold than what you started out with. give it up you are fully and completly wrong. even more so since you never cashed out. that means you have the 40th in hash and if your btc numbers are correct. you are down 1 btc if you sell 16 th at .000065 a gh you fully recovered all you btcthats right 3.78 all back by your own statements . and you still have 24th mining. not to mention btc is at least 2x the value you started at. so by your statements the math shows you roiled both ways and you refuse to accept it. or you are a liar and all your statements are false. Normally I don't do this but you are trying to piss on our shoes and say it is rain. give up just say phil you are right I am wrong. it would do you some good to type it out and send it . Yes USD if i were to cash out now I would be up, but as I mentioned I would be more up if i just held my original btc and never gave it out in the first place. So far you haven't been able to deny or prove this wrong. Yes If i sell my hashrate I would break even now, But why would I take such a huge risk to just break even with my BTC after 10 months? No btc gains for mining and selling hash after 10 months worth of risk and work. So you want to trade me 1 bitcoin now and I can give you 0.75 btc next month? Stock analysis says you'll hit 10k usd per bitcoin. You think USD value is more important so let's do the trade now. You will have more usd next month if you do the trade but i'll have more btc, win win for both of us.. You got called out so lets do the trade son. Ya hommie that's what I thought you ain't gonna take that trade. Think twice before buying an S9 miner with btc b/c you may not recover those btc you put into getting it. But you will get more USD most likely. Sounds like people love doing more work than nessary for less payout compared to just buying it straight. Buying coins is more profitable and less risky than mining them.
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To answer some of your questions in more details. I bought three S9 miners on hashnest for usd price around $1800-$1500 per unit, during different time frames. Jan, Feb, and May of this year. The btc transfers were also done during favorable to stable times, I traded the btc for machines when btc was at the higher values for those time frames. I also got the fast deployment advantage head start. They are hosting my miners and they itemize everything., None of that scammy genesis mining crap where you control ur hashrate with a slider bar. I pay 0.15 cent's for electric rate in california, so i decided that hosting it is not a bad idea due to higher electric rates I have at home. The Stats don't lie. Total initial cost in btc is stated at 3.78 btc for all three s9 purchases. Payout total is 3.21 btc. Maintenance/electric cost 0.8 btc. Maintence/payout is 15.39 percent. Based off of these stats I still have not recovered my ROI in btc yet. At times I wish I should have just kept my initial 3.78 btc in purchases b/c I would have more btc's compared to mining it. If they mine it for another 2 more years and I can go a little bit over my initial btc purchase I would be happy. But it has to be last least 1 extra btc from my initial btc purchase to make it worth the risk of china shutting it down, hashnest going down, etc. Now back to my point. Your better off buying btc compared to mining it, Why give someone 1 btc and they give you back 0.75 btc after a year. ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif) ?? Get my Point? yes I do you simply use accounting that could put you in prison since you are USA based. Not only that you own 3 machines that are about 40th in hash which sell for 2.6btc so if you spent 3.78 and were paid back 3.21 - 15% it nets to (3.21 -.4815) = 2.7285 net return 3.78000 out lay 2.72850 paid back 1.05150 is the amount you have not got back since the 40 th you have mining as I type would sell at 2.6152 btc minus a small sell fee I would say they are at 2.6 btc so 2.60000 btc 1.05150 btc 1.5485 btc profit I always wonder about posters like you. do you really think you lost out and are at negative btc? do you understand that usa account laws would not give a shit about your btc concept? now cash wise lets pretend the value of the btc you put in was 3000 a coin 3000 x 3.78 = 11340 cash in if you held all coins you have 2.7285 and the gear sells for 2.6000 that is 5.3285 at 6k a coin 31,971 usd 31,971 11,340 20,631 profit So you made money if you do fiat you made btc if you do btc so I ask again do you think you are a loser on your investment? in btc or in fiat? Give me 1 btc and I'll give you back 0.75 btc next month when the value is up. Wanna do the trade? Thought so bro, nobody would make that trade. Since I never Realized the profits yet or cashed out to fiat it's not real cash. Bitcoin can still crash. Point being is that mining Bitcoin is risky and not lucrative like you noobs think it is You will end up with less Bitcoin compared to what you started out with. Btc mining is highly competitive now. I was able to ROI my litecoin a little over a month in both ltc or usd and that was a smarter move. Let's break it down to something simple. If your a gold miner but need to buy equipment that cost 1 bullion bar and they only take gold as payment. After the gold rush ended you end up mining less 0.75 bullion bars but value for gold increase. Why the hell were you mining in the first place. You would have made more doing nothing, just hodling that gold bar. You should never run an operation relaying on just speculation of value increase that may or may not happen. Only go into business if it can output more gold than what you started out with. give it up you are fully and completly wrong. even more so since you never cashed out. that means you have the 40th in hash and if your btc numbers are correct. you are down 1 btc if you sell 16 th at .000065 a gh you fully recovered all you btcthats right 3.78 all back by your own statements . and you still have 24th mining. not to mention btc is at least 2x the value you started at. so by your statements the math shows you roiled both ways and you refuse to accept it. or you are a liar and all your statements are false. Normally I don't do this but you are trying to piss on our shoes and say it is rain. give up just say phil you are right I am wrong. it would do you some good to type it out and send it . Yes USD if i were to cash out now I would be up, but as I mentioned I would be more up if i just held my original btc and never gave it out in the first place. So far you haven't been able to deny or prove this wrong. Yes If i sell my hashrate I would break even now, But why would I take such a huge risk to just break even with my BTC after 10 months? No btc gains for mining and selling hash after 10 months worth of risk and work. So you want to trade me 1 bitcoin now and I can give you 0.75 btc next month? Stock analysis says you'll hit 10k usd per bitcoin. You think USD value is more important so let's do the trade now. You will have more usd next month if you do the trade but i'll have more btc, win win for both of us.. You got called out so lets do the trade son. Ya hommie that's what I thought you ain't gonna take that trade. Think twice before buying an S9 miner with btc b/c you may not recover those btc you put into getting it. But you will get more USD most likely. Sounds like people love doing more work than nessary for less payout compared to just buying it straight. Buying coins is more profitable and less risky than mining them. /sigh For some reason I can't see Phil's responses, only when he is quoted. Me and Phil have tried to explain this and you still don't get it. First you said 1 year, then the truth comes out and it is actually 9, 8 and 5 months, But now claim 10 months. Hmmmm.. Phil broke this down 100% correct and you want to argue. I think your a troll with nothing better to do. Tell ya what. Tell me how much for all 3 s9's and I will help you get out so you don't have to worry about it. Also, Phil, I hope you didn't misunderstand me and ignore me as I am 100% on your side. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Scrap'
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AND I'm missing out on full original 3.7 BTC matching for BitcoinCash, BTG gold and bitcoin Segwit2x. Got only half of it due to trying to play BTC catchup. That's more salt to injury for buying these stupid S9 miners. Worst deal ever. I would be way ahead if I avoided s9 mining and just kept my original 3.7 BTC coins. I don't understand how you tards think this is such a great deal getting an S9.
Sure lets do the trade, Has to be done today so i can get my bitcoin gold. Private msg me if your serious, I'm calling your bluff b/c i know you won't make that trade or anybody else with a right mind would do such a trade.
My only hope is that these s9 can mine for another 3 more years but typically Asic hardware mining becomes obsolete in 1.5 years or less. I'm pretty much screwed. I got into s9 mining back in Jan, Very early on, you guys are crazy thinking you can profit getting into s9 mining way late in the game. Wait for the next generation Asics and even then I think they are only good for business equipment tax write offs and not for profit.
You gota look at Everything and analyze what will get you the most profit! Decisions can cost you thousands, Don't be so short sighted by only looking at potential USD profit.
More likely you will make more money by buying BTC and not go through the hazzle of mining. If you want to give china bitmain your btc's go right ahead that's your choice and smile when it sh*t's out less. They've got you by the ballz.
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