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October 25, 2017, 07:54:01 PM
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In general I'd strongly recommend to everyone to carefully read full nodes' wiki here for example:

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Full_node

Personally, I'm now uploading the all ready Bitcoin Core (version 0.15.0.1 format) blockchain database as of October, 24th to my Google drives (in 7zip multivolume archive, 12x10Gb parts).

I just took everything (except wallet.dat and debug.log) from my Bitcoin Core's data directories and packed into the 7-zip archive.

Anyone with a pretty thick download internet bandwidth would be able to download my archive, extract it with full paths, start his/her  latest 0.15.0.1 Bitcoin Core wallet, point to the extracted directory, and after the core rechecks (pretty fast) the database and blocks integrity he will have the all ready blockchain as of October, the 24th.

But users with pretty weak,  "thin" download internet bandwidth might gain almost no advantages, they might be better just start the Bitcoin Core 0.15 full node and let it sync itself as usual.

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October 25, 2017, 08:06:19 PM
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i used to run core, but im worried about the 2x fork and what that means

will the 2x take over existing BTC chain? or will there be separate chain for the 2x fork?

There's always a separate chain when a hard fork occurs. This is why there is always so much concern about splitting the network. Because, by definition, hard forks split the network.

If you have a highly centralized system, where participants basically change consensus rules on a few days notice if Vitalik Buterin says so, hard forking without splitting the network is possible. Not so easy in Bitcoin, especially on a 3-month timeline. Most people don't upgrade their nodes on that timeline, and we can see by observing the network that the vast majority of reachable nodes are not running 2x software.

 
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October 25, 2017, 08:38:17 PM
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i used to run core, but im worried about the 2x fork and what that means

will the 2x take over existing BTC chain? or will there be separate chain for the 2x fork?

the chain that will be chosen as the dominatn one is that with the most nodes running up. So if you support Bitcoin Core you must run a Bitcoin Core node and accept and check transactions with it.

good luck
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October 26, 2017, 12:23:10 AM
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i used to run core, but im worried about the 2x fork and what that means

will the 2x take over existing BTC chain? or will there be separate chain for the 2x fork?

the chain that will be chosen as the dominatn one is that with the most nodes running up. So if you support Bitcoin Core you must run a Bitcoin Core node and accept and check transactions with it.

good luck

Yes. Take an old computer and run a node. Thousands of people should do that. Tens of thousands. Think it over.
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October 26, 2017, 05:25:06 AM
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These are so important messages that I consider it necessary to quote them and highlight in red:


.. the chain that will be chosen as the dominatn one is that with the most nodes running up. So if you support Bitcoin Core you must run a Bitcoin Core node and accept and check transactions with it.
good luck

Yes. Take an old computer and run a node. Thousands of people should do that. Tens of thousands. Think it over.


Now one little tip on opening the 8333 incoming connections Bitcoin Core port - in case you enabled incoming connections and UPnP in Bitcoin Core configuration, but your following checking of your 8333 port on https://bitnodes.21.co/ is showing that your 8333 port is still closed.

For those of you who (like me) don't have a static ipv4 address and get dynamic internet addresses on every router boots, I'd suggest the following :

1. Open your internet router's configuration web interface and look for your router's current external ip address (as it changes on every router boot with dynamic addresses).  Remember it.

2. Then go to https://www.whatismyip.com  (or any other online similar service) and remember your real external internet address.

3. Compare the two addresses. If they are equal then go to step 5. Otherwise go to the next step 4.

4. Contact your internet service provider and ask them NOT to use NAT for your router if ever possible. (that's exactly what I did and what then really allowed me to open 8333 port for incoming connections).

5. Again open your router's configuration web interface and either enable 8333 port forwarding or (what has worked for me) enable the UPnP for your IPv4 WAN connections (this setting will allow Bitcoin Core itself to open the 8333 port.

Now don't hurry up, give the Bitcoin Core application some time (from 30 minutes to a couple of hours) to establish incoming connections.

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October 26, 2017, 06:45:10 AM
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i used to run core, but im worried about the 2x fork and what that means

will the 2x take over existing BTC chain? or will there be separate chain for the 2x fork?

the chain that will be chosen as the dominatn one is that with the most nodes running up. So if you support Bitcoin Core you must run a Bitcoin Core node and accept and check transactions with it.

good luck

Yes. Take an old computer and run a node. Thousands of people should do that. Tens of thousands. Think it over.

Easier said than done my friend. Most people in third world countries have crappy and expensive internet bandwidth. I visited some of these places and most of their internet are capped and very slow. Some people in 1st world countries have no clue what these people have to deal with, to get the most basic internet access.

Someone should start a project to subsidize or to donate equipment to these countries to run their own nodes in those countries or we will end up with full nodes being centralized in 1st world countries.

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October 26, 2017, 10:04:25 AM
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i used to run core, but im worried about the 2x fork and what that means

will the 2x take over existing BTC chain? or will there be separate chain for the 2x fork?

the chain that will be chosen as the dominatn one is that with the most nodes running up. So if you support Bitcoin Core you must run a Bitcoin Core node and accept and check transactions with it.

good luck

Yes. Take an old computer and run a node. Thousands of people should do that. Tens of thousands. Think it over.

Easier said than done my friend. Most people in third world countries have crappy and expensive internet bandwidth. I visited some of these places and most of their internet are capped and very slow. Some people in 1st world countries have no clue what these people have to deal with, to get the most basic internet access.

Someone should start a project to subsidize or to donate equipment to these countries to run their own nodes in those countries or we will end up with full nodes being centralized in 1st world countries.

Donate hardware seems to be a nice idea, in most third world countries the electricity is quite cheap so I guess it wont be a problem to have a device turned on all day long.

good luck
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October 26, 2017, 05:36:26 PM
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Hello everyone)

As I promised, I have uploaded the whole Bitcoin Core blockchain database (0.15.0.1 version format packed into 12x10Gb 7-zip multivolume archive) as of October, 24th, 2017.

The 1-9 parts of the archive are here:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B1hDozqK5OhbYy1BNTFsRHE5S0U

The 10th part is here:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bwp9hqEINfq7emI0TE9HSWUzT3c

And the 11-12th parts are here:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B04jj__m9bS6djlfc1F4RjM2RlE

I have tested the archive, so you may download safely.

To extract the Bitcoin Core blockchain database from the archive you should use any archive manager that supports 7z archives, the genuine 7z archive manager may be downloaded from here:
http://www.7-zip.org

After downloading all 12 parts launch the 7-zip manager, extract everything anywhere into your hard drive (where you are going to keep the blockchain, there must be at least 200Gb free space there).

Then launch Bitcoin Core 0.15.0.1 application, on request for the database folder point to the extracted folder.
The Core will (pretty fast) check integrity of the database, then it will start syncing the blockchain to its current state (it will start downloading and verifying blocks since October, 24th).

If you had already have your real Bitcoin  wallet before, just add into the root of the extracted folder your own 'wallet.dat' file.

If you have any questions you are welcome to ask them


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October 26, 2017, 06:01:50 PM
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Is there any way to run it on a Cheap VPS?  200GB is much...
I dont want to ruin my 40/2 connection. Is there Any way to throttle the outgoing internet for this node on a rasp PI?
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October 26, 2017, 06:10:47 PM
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Is there any way to run it on a Cheap VPS?  200GB is much...
You can certainly run Bitcoin Core without using 200 GB of disk space. However Bitcoin Core will likely need more computing power than a cheap VPS can provide.

I dont want to ruin my 40/2 connection. Is there Any way to throttle the outgoing internet for this node on a rasp PI?
Yes, read https://bitcoin.org/en/full-node#reduce-traffic

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Hello everyone)

As I promised, I have uploaded the whole Bitcoin Core blockchain database (0.15.0.1 version format packed into 12x10Gb 7-zip multivolume archive) as of October, 24th, 2017.

The 1-9 parts of the archive are here:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B1hDozqK5OhbYy1BNTFsRHE5S0U

The 10th part is here:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bwp9hqEINfq7emI0TE9HSWUzT3c

And the 11-12th parts are here:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B04jj__m9bS6djlfc1F4RjM2RlE

I have tested the archive, so you may download safely.

To extract the Bitcoin Core blockchain database from the archive you should use any archive manager that supports 7z archives, the genuine 7z archive manager may be downloaded from here:
http://www.7-zip.org

After downloading all 12 parts launch the 7-zip manager, extract everything anywhere into your hard drive (where you are going to keep the blockchain, there must be at least 200Gb free space there).

Then launch Bitcoin Core 0.15.0.1 application, on request for the database folder point to the extracted folder.
The Core will (pretty fast) check integrity of the database, then it will start syncing the blockchain to its current state (it will start downloading and verifying blocks since October, 24th).

If you had already have your real Bitcoin  wallet before, just add into the root of the extracted folder your own 'wallet.dat' file.

If you have any questions you are welcome to ask them



I think it is not necessary to download from you the whole blockchain. I don't know your intentions , they might be good but it is a security risk to download from another person the blockchain.

As long as you have a nice internet connection you can download the blockchain from your full node client i.e. Bitcoin Core.

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October 26, 2017, 08:05:53 PM
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I think it is not necessary to download from you the whole blockchain. I don't know your intentions , they might be good but it is a security risk to download from another person the blockchain.

As long as you have a nice internet connection you can download the blockchain from your full node client i.e. Bitcoin Core.

peace

I had thought about it very seriously before uploading the database as well.

I am still a newbie in the subject.

I just think that the Bitcoin Core must be a very smart application, and it must thoroughly check the data directory before actually accepting it.

As for the speed, my home internet connection is very fast now but the blockchain downloading (syncing) was VERY slow. My download bandwidth was being used at 2-3% only.

But if there is a security risk, then maybe is there a Bitcoin Core command or something to validate all its database against the actual real blockchain?

I just want to really help speed up downloading, But I consider ANY SECURITY RISKS ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE HERE!!




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October 26, 2017, 08:09:35 PM
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I think it is not necessary to download from you the whole blockchain. I don't know your intentions , they might be good but it is a security risk to download from another person the blockchain.

As long as you have a nice internet connection you can download the blockchain from your full node client i.e. Bitcoin Core.

peace

I had thought about it very seriously before uploading the database as well.

I am still a newbie in the subject.

I just think that the Bitcoin Core must be a very smart application, and it must thoroughly check the data directory before actually accepting it.

As for the speed, my home internet connection is very fast now but the blockchain downloading (syncing) was VERY slow. My download bandwidth was being used at 2-3% only.

But if there is a security risk, then maybe is there a Bitcoin Core command or something to validate all its database against the actual real blockchain?

I just want to really help speed up downloading, But I consider ANY SECURITY RISKS ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE HERE!!





If you want to help other to download the whole blockchain just make sure your node accepts incoming connections.

You can check it in bitnodes21.co

Every one starts downloading the whole blockchain when they starts their node for the first time. It depend on your CPU and RAM to sync pretty quick. There are some tweaks in the bitcoin.conf file that you can do to speed up the syncing. Take a look at google and you can find them in stack exchange.

good luck.
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October 26, 2017, 08:31:16 PM
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Of course my own full node does accept incoming connections! It is online almost 24/7

I cannot go on our discussion further for now  as it is night here already, I have to wake up early Tomorrow, but if there is a real security risk, then tell me a little bit more about what it might be, and i will delete my upload then

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Always running a full node on pretty beefy Debian workstation, but its definitely resource hungry. As of yesterday db is 160.4 GB, if you want to re-index DB that is already on hard drive (SSD's in Raid) - few hours. Looking at the code I dont know if it can be dramatically optimized. Disk space requirements can be lowered by around 25% with slight sacrifice of performance pretty easily if you use on-the-fly gzip on blocks. OS-based compression on file system will do the same...
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Always running a full node on pretty beefy Debian workstation, but its definitely resource hungry. As of yesterday db is 160.4 GB, if you want to re-index DB that is already on hard drive (SSD's in Raid) - few hours. Looking at the code I dont know if it can be dramatically optimized. Disk space requirements can be lowered by around 25% with slight sacrifice of performance pretty easily if you use on-the-fly gzip on blocks. OS-based compression on file system will do the same...

Furelise, you know, what I think, Bitcoin is of such a great value that I'm sure the 'cost' you describe is just nothing compared to its actual value and potential!





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October 27, 2017, 07:58:47 AM
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i used to run core, but im worried about the 2x fork and what that means

will the 2x take over existing BTC chain? or will there be separate chain for the 2x fork?

the chain that will be chosen as the dominatn one is that with the most nodes running up. So if you support Bitcoin Core you must run a Bitcoin Core node and accept and check transactions with it.

good luck

Yes. Take an old computer and run a node. Thousands of people should do that. Tens of thousands. Think it over.

Easier said than done my friend. Most people in third world countries have crappy and expensive internet bandwidth. I visited some of these places and most of their internet are capped and very slow. Some people in 1st world countries have no clue what these people have to deal with, to get the most basic internet access.

Someone should start a project to subsidize or to donate equipment to these countries to run their own nodes in those countries or we will end up with full nodes being centralized in 1st world countries.

Donate hardware seems to be a nice idea, in most third world countries the electricity is quite cheap so I guess it wont be a problem to have a device turned on all day long.

good luck

Most 1st world countries are dumping their older model mobile phone handsets onto third world countries in any way, so why not dump older computer hardware that can be repurposed to serve as full nodes? These computers are being destroyed and recycled, where it could have been used to run full nodes.

I have to disagree on the cheaper electricity statement. Not all third world countries have cheap and reliable electricity. I have visited some of these 3rd world cities and electricity was very unreliable and expensive. ^hmmmmm^

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October 27, 2017, 12:20:02 PM
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i used to run core, but im worried about the 2x fork and what that means

will the 2x take over existing BTC chain? or will there be separate chain for the 2x fork?

the chain that will be chosen as the dominatn one is that with the most nodes running up. So if you support Bitcoin Core you must run a Bitcoin Core node and accept and check transactions with it.

good luck

Yes. Take an old computer and run a node. Thousands of people should do that. Tens of thousands. Think it over.

Easier said than done my friend. Most people in third world countries have crappy and expensive internet bandwidth. I visited some of these places and most of their internet are capped and very slow. Some people in 1st world countries have no clue what these people have to deal with, to get the most basic internet access.

Someone should start a project to subsidize or to donate equipment to these countries to run their own nodes in those countries or we will end up with full nodes being centralized in 1st world countries.

Donate hardware seems to be a nice idea, in most third world countries the electricity is quite cheap so I guess it wont be a problem to have a device turned on all day long.

good luck

Most 1st world countries are dumping their older model mobile phone handsets onto third world countries in any way, so why not dump older computer hardware that can be repurposed to serve as full nodes? These computers are being destroyed and recycled, where it could have been used to run full nodes.

I have to disagree on the cheaper electricity statement. Not all third world countries have cheap and reliable electricity. I have visited some of these 3rd world cities and electricity was very unreliable and expensive. ^hmmmmm^

Well, I guess the term "cheap electricity" doesn't apply to all the third world countries. I can speak about Venezuela, cheap but unstable electricity is a fact.
It doesn't have to be a robust hardware to support the bitcoin core node network. You can donate Raspberry Pi's or Pine64's.
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October 27, 2017, 12:52:34 PM
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I’ve been running a full node for years, I don’t see why anybody who is even half serious about bitcoin wouldn’t.

Esit - After quickly reading through the entire thread - I do not advise anybody to download the blockchain from anywhere other than the official source, saving time is no good if it gets you a virus or a buggy download.

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October 27, 2017, 01:24:45 PM
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I’ve been running a full node for years, I don’t see why anybody who is even half serious about bitcoin wouldn’t.

Esit - After quickly reading through the entire thread - I do not advise anybody to download the blockchain from anywhere other than the official source, saving time is no good if it gets you a virus or a buggy download.

As for downloading the all ready blockchain (like mine), there's no doubt at all, it is always much better and much safier to allow Bitcoin Core download the blockchain itself.
The only reason using my upload might be this (quote from another topic):
I've explained that the full syncingof of the blockchain would be much faster than in the usual way.
When I was starting my Bitcoin Core full node it took weeks to download the blockchain.
And the bottleneck was not in my internet bandwidth or my cpu or ram. The bottleneck was the number of active, accepting incoming connections full nodes, from where my node could download the blockchain (that's how I see it


But the very most important thing is to agitate as many people as ever possible,   as soon as ever possible, to start their own Bitcoin Core full node application




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