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[xorred]

The 3 SCs (60GHs) are agreed for hosting with Josh at BFL, he can be involved in the sale / transfer to you process as he manages the hosting.

Selling only for BTC, after the transfer of ownership has been confirmed by BFL & Josh to you (50% in advance, 50% after).

All kinds of verification including with reputed members of the forum will be accepted.

The order number is 44XX, from 3 August 2012.

starting bid: BTC90/piece.

Escrow is acceptable.

[piit79]

...400 devices per day will reach my order number pretty quick...

That would be true if they were shipping any Single SCs - which they aren't. (Correct me if I'm wrong.)

[xorred]

read the unofficial twitter feed of BFL.

[xorred]

the point of no return (no-sale) is nearing, guys And knowing people are selling their 5 GHs units for 20 btc, my price is more than reasonable.

[xorred]

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/3214-first-single-sc-60gh-s-has-left-building.html

[CanaryInTheMine]

Escrow is acceptable.

I'll happily provide escrow 

[xorred]

Thank you, accepting a mediator for escrow is based on previous (larger) deals escrowed by the same person and an established escrow track record on the forum.

[CanaryInTheMine]

Thank you, accepting a mediator for escrow is based on previous (larger) deals escrowed by the same person and an established escrow track record on the forum.

I have done escrow for ASICMiner shares and have run 5+ group buys acting as my own escrow

[xorred]

we have got ourselves an escrow mediator guys!   I got one offer for 1 SC @ BTC110.

[xorred]

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[Bitcoin Roll]

I'm a new member here and have a question about this.
Is this open to any one.

[CanaryInTheMine]

I'm a new member here and have a question about this.
Is this open to any one.

Welcome!! Yes.

[xorred]

still selling and waiting for delivery any moment now! (and by delivery I mean powering up at Community Hosting with Josh). It's strange how people PM-ing me about the SCs are not posting here - if you are afraid to publicly state you're buying it, I assume there is something shady about you and would be wary of dealing with people whom I am worried about. If you're interested - just state it in the thread and we can move on to finalizing the deal.

[starsoccer9]

my reasons for not stating are quite simple. You are getting no bids and I dont plan on posting my bid to encourage others to bid higher than me. Therefore if your interested in selling you can pm me

[xorred]

well, that's a perfectly valid reason which is in your honest interest!

110 bitcoins is lower than I expected, but I can still sell at this price. 2 SCs are enough for me to mine with... I hope. We can move this to the next level. Let me just start the communication with Josh - because all 3 were set to be hosted at his hosting -I have to check with BFL if they can change the shipping address for 1 of them to a different address.

[starsoccer9]

well, that's a perfectly valid reason which is in your honest interest!

110 bitcoins is lower than I expected, but I can still sell at this price. 2 SCs are enough for me to mine with... I hope. We can move this to the next level. Let me just start the communication with Josh - because all 3 were set to be hosted at his hosting -I have to check with BFL if they can change the shipping address for 1 of them to a different address.

just to clarify I said 110 about a week ago. Since then my offer is now lower. Since we last spoke i close a deal for a 60ghash unit in june for just about what your asking. so for a 2 month difference i dont expect to pay the same. We can talk over Pm as i said I dont want to give away my price

[xorred]

with all due respect - I would rather not sell if you're asking for a lower price, and I'm serious. I can sell on ebay the moment the SCs start hashing, and I won't lose money at all. So you can buy it now at 110 while bitcoins are falling or watch me either mine with them or sell them on ebay. I know how many sellers are selling August (3rd of August!) orders and at what prices. The market is open so you can buy from any of them if my price is high.

[starsoccer9]

Well I bought a 60ghash miner in june for 118 coins. I bought another 60ghash miner in july for 63 coins orignally. Then after some drama it become 58coins. Either way 110 for a preorder 2 months after doesnt make any logical sense. I wish you the best of luck and all but you know just as well as I do by the time you get your miner the chance of me making back the 110 are quite slim

[xorred]

if you expect to make a ROI for 1 month - yes, but most investments take longer than that. If the chances were slim, you would not have been making that offer initially. You know better than I do, that no other SCs will be offered from this early at this price too. This is going to become a pissing contest if we continue - with each side refusing to back down - but I have my SCs and they will be mining if I don't sell, you have yours and obviously are not without SCs either - the thread will remain open for anyone else and for you as well if you change your mind. Whoever sold his SC at 60 btc was impatient and had the right to do that - but obviously lacked long term vision and math skills.

[starsoccer9]

if you expect to make a ROI for 1 month - yes, but most investments take longer than that. If the chances were slim, you would not have been making that offer initially. You know better than I do, that no other SCs will be offered from this early at this price too. This is going to become a pissing contest if we continue - with each side refusing to back down - but I have my SCs and they will be mining if I don't sell, you have yours and obviously are not without SCs either - the thread will remain open for anyone else and for you as well if you change your mind. Whoever sold his SC at 60 btc was impatient and had the right to do that - but obviously lacked long term vision and math skills.

I dont expect ROI in one month obviously. I expect ROI in 2-3 months for it.  Initially I offered you it when the difficulty was lower and a I wanted a 2nd unit as the first unit, july order would cover the slight profit difference.

[xorred]

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[xorred]

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[starsoccer9]

I think you need to lower your price alot

[xorred]

I think I will be mining if they don't sell. A lot?   How many times do I need to repeat: I don't care if you don't have the money to buy them? Why would that affect my decision on the price? You either buy at my price or I don't sell and keep mining with them until they pay for themselves and over - since my order is just 2 months from the opening, I am a year ahead of many others.

[piit79]

I love your arrogant and unrealistic attitude

Provided that August pre-orders are delivered by the end of July (not very likely) and at just 15% difficulty increase per interval (very unlikely), 60 Gh/s Single SC will never make more than 95 BTC (sum of a geometric series). The difficulty will by skyrocketing in the coming months so the total revenue will actually be much lower than that.

I have an early August pre-order myself but I wouldn't dare asking more than 60 BTC for it.

Anyway, good luck with your sale.

[xorred]

oh, thank you, I love my arrogant attitude myself!

These were purchased to be mining, not to be sold anyway. 95? Who knows. End of July will be for the 'up to dec 2012' - mine are from August and will ship any day now - directly to local community hosting. We will see if they make 95 or more. Until then - well, the offer is still valid.

I am sure the same kind of comments were all over GPU mining when CPU mining was all that was known. Yet what happened?

[starsoccer9]

oh, thank you, I love my arrogant attitude myself!

These were purchased to be mining, not to be sold anyway. 95? Who knows. End of July will be for the 'up to dec 2012' - mine are from August and will ship any day now - directly to local community hosting. We will see if they make 95 or more. Until then - well, the offer is still valid.

I am sure the same kind of comments were all over GPU mining when CPU mining was all that was known. Yet what happened?

It is quite funny. You keep saying any day now. Last I checked BFL has not even shipped all the units from first day orders. I would be expecting your order around the same time you ordered it last year.As far as 95btc goes, I think that is quite generous. I would say more around 60 and barely. The mining unit makes the most when you buy it and then just continues downward.

[1l1l11ll1l]

Mine shipped, hashing away now

[piit79]

End of July will be for the 'up to dec 2012'

Nobody knows that - yet you keep stating it as a fact.

Actually, I'm willing to bet 10 BTC that they will NOT deliver orders 'up to December 2012' (whatever that means) by the end of July.

[piit79]

Mine shipped, hashing away now

Congrats! Would you mind sharing your order date/rough order number with us?

[xorred]

well - that's BFL statement, not mine. They claim to be able to ship up to December 2012 - which does not concern me, because I'm at 3rd of August, which is ... well, 3 days past July 2012

[ninjaboon]

Mine shipped, hashing away now

Congrats! Would you mind sharing your order date/rough order number with us?

I'm curious too.

[xorred]

SCs with order number 17** are already shipped. Proved by some sale orders here on the thread.

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[xorred]

I might or I might not decrease the price to 100 btc, depending on how nice you ask 

[yochdog]

125 BTC for both. 

[xorred]

they're 3 - and the value of bitcoin just fell to 80 usd - so your 125 BTC are falling in value, 67 btc per 60 GH/s SC is too low, I never was and never will be interested in selling these in the 60s.

[yochdog]

they're 3 - and the value of bitcoin just fell to 80 usd - so your 125 BTC are falling in value, 67 btc per 60 GH/s SC is too low, I never was and never will be interested in selling these in the 60s.

67-70 BTC per device seems absolutely appropriate given where your pre-orders fall in the queue (quite a ways away), and the relentless increase in difficulty. 

My offer stands at 125 BTC for a pair. 

[xorred]

My offer in queue? You mean, my 4K order out of the 70K right now? You mean the 3rd of August, less than two months from the date the products were announced?

I know that the more I argue, the more you will stand at your point - but 70 is just not enough. Your desire to make a ROI in 2 months is admirable, but most investments don't pay out as fast. If you make a better offer, I might think about it.

[yochdog]

My offer in queue? You mean, my 4K order out of the 70K right now? You mean the 3rd of August, less than two months from the date the products were announced?

I know that the more I argue, the more you will stand at your point - but 70 is just not enough. Your desire to make a ROI in 2 months is admirable, but most investments don't pay out as fast. If you make a better offer, I might think about it.

You are acting like these units will ship tomorrow, when in fact nothing is further from the truth.  BFL has been shipping June 23rd orders for 3 weeks now.  If it takes them that long to get through day 1 orders, you have a loooong wait.  In that time, difficulty will go much higher and the 2 month ROI you seem to think is written in stone will be a sad fantasy. 

I am not trying to be a dick here, I just think you need to be realistic about your expectations.  There are many variables, and none of us know exactly how they will play out.  But please, don't try and sucker someone in with promises of these being "just around the corner" thus enticing them to make projections based on current difficulty.   

[xorred]

you seem to be missing a point here.

I am not pushing anyone to buy - I will be just as happy mining with them for as long as they bring in money.

[xorred]

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[xorred]

price decreased to 90 BTC. Do not even hope for a further decrease - go in or go home.

[xorred]

the price of BTC is just right to buy it and order my August SCs!

[xorred]

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[starsoccer9]

So funny how you said 110 was the lowest, yet btc price plummets and you go 20coins lower. So you decrease the cost by about 40% that sounds about 2/3 weeks late. BFL asics in sept selling for 30btc. asics in july are selling at about 100. so your have a better shot around 40-70 coins.

[xorred]

I love how butthurt you are but no, I won't sell for 40-70 coins   Go buy a September one, I'll keep my 3rd of August for myself if they don't sell 

[starsoccer9]

I love how butthurt you are but no, I won't sell for 40-70 coins   Go buy a September one, I'll keep my 3rd of August for myself if they don't sell 

butthurt? i Already have 2 preorders, June and July. Like I said before my july preorder was for 60ish coins. Im not telling you to sell it just doesnt make alot of sense how you claim to not be going lower yet you lower by 40%. And you still claim your willing to just keep the units and mine

[MXRider]

This thread is so ridiculous. August orders are not even close. They are still shipping June 23rd. I might as well do some highjacking and offer June 2012 at the same price that xorred is asking. Just for the lulz. I'll even pay JohnK's escrow fees

Butthurt much, xorred.

[starsoccer9]

This thread is so ridiculous. August orders are not even close. They are still shipping June 23rd. I might as well do some highjacking and offer June 2012 at the same price that xorred is asking. Just for the lulz. I'll even pay JohnK's escrow fees

Butthurt much, xorred.

hehe, mxrider if your serious I would probably buy your unit. Want to chat over PM?

[xorred]

not butthurt at all - once you sell your june order, there will be no more june pre-orders on sale. It's an open market - the less the offers, the higher the prices.

[starsoccer9]

not butthurt at all - once you sell your june order, there will be no more june pre-orders on sale. It's an open market - the less the offers, the higher the prices.

well thanks xorred. I have to thank you as now I am probably getting a june preorder for you price. Thanks alot

[xorred]

you're most welcome Next buyer please

[xorred]

Actually, I'm gonna lock this thread and ask a mod to delete it and start a brand new one - for the sake of removing sum dumm a$$ spammers / trolls and invite the new ones.

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[starsoccer9]

getting rid of the thread already