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June 27, 2011, 04:28:27 PM
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Windows is NOT insecure, stop saying bullshits

If you are an idiot you will end up installing viruses in a linux or mac computer too, is it linux or mac insecure then?

I use windows and no problems since ages, probably even before Windows XP. And Windows 7 rule.

Most of the software I use comes from the distro repository so I'm pretty unlikely to install a virus that way, whereas windows users are used to just downloading and installing an exe.  That's not good practice, really.  It IS safer, stop saying 'bullshits'.

I use linux as much as possible, but sometimes I have to edit a word document in the native MS app.  It's a hegemony, should I have to pay for that?  Well most people I know didn't pay for MS Office for their home PC, they pirated it.   Another vulnerability.  Nobody is going to get a virus from a pirated LibreOffice, cos it's free!  It IS safer, stop saying 'bullshits'.



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June 27, 2011, 04:43:39 PM
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Stop this OS war!

We all know Bitcoin would be safer on a Lisp machine!  Grin
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June 27, 2011, 04:45:08 PM
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Stop this OS war!

We all know Bitcoin would be safer on a Lisp machine!  Grin

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What?!!! How DARE YOU.

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June 27, 2011, 06:31:58 PM
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So are there any Bitcoin related Emacs extensions or Vim scripts yet?

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June 27, 2011, 06:35:28 PM
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So are there any Bitcoin related Emacs extensions or Vim scripts yet?

...and they would exist because?

this is one weird-ass minutae. I wonder if a turnip has grown in the shape of a bitcoin symbol yet?

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June 27, 2011, 06:36:25 PM
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Windows is NOT insecure, stop saying bullshits

If you are an idiot you will end up installing viruses in a linux or mac computer too, is it linux or mac insecure then?

I use windows and no problems since ages, probably even before Windows XP. And Windows 7 rule.

Most of the software I use comes from the distro repository so I'm pretty unlikely to install a virus that way, whereas windows users are used to just downloading and installing an exe.  That's not good practice, really.  It IS safer, stop saying 'bullshits'.

I use linux as much as possible, but sometimes I have to edit a word document in the native MS app.  It's a hegemony, should I have to pay for that?  Well most people I know didn't pay for MS Office for their home PC, they pirated it.   Another vulnerability.  Nobody is going to get a virus from a pirated LibreOffice, cos it's free!  It IS safer, stop saying 'bullshits'.





Bullshit, if people install viruses and use infected pirated shit is not Microsoft fault. And is not related to Windows being unsecure.

I have an original and updated Windows 7 and i do not install infected shit, i am not less secure than linux
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June 27, 2011, 06:40:28 PM
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Windows is a huge target, there's already a dedicated bitcoin stealing trojan for it - look at the people who's wallets were stolen! Linux and Mac ARE more secure for that reason alone.

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June 27, 2011, 06:42:53 PM
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I wonder how ppl can get infected by that trojan  Roll Eyes Maybe "instal->next->next->yes->accept" Grin

Not being a target sound a lot like "security through obscurity", you are not safe, but no one look for you so you are not in danger... until someone start looking for you and then you are fucked because you aren't used to fight attacks everyday
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June 27, 2011, 06:48:32 PM
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I wonder how ppl can get infected by that trojan  Roll Eyes Maybe "instal->next->next->yes->accept" Grin

Not being a target sound a lot like "security through obscurity", you are not safe, but no one look for you so you are not in danger... until someone start looking for you and then you are fucked because you aren't used to fight attacks everyday

Linux users lie if they say they have never done this: log in as root and 'make install' on something you just downloaded.
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June 27, 2011, 06:57:39 PM
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sudo make me a sandwich

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June 27, 2011, 07:04:53 PM
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Adding to the OS war, it could be that many users are running pirate copies of W7 and don't get updates.  Linux is "free" by comparison and some who have more time to spend learning two or more OS prefer the flexibility.  I know lots of people who like Linux because of the front end (like gnome) and it makes it like a windows computer - they couldn't use Linux it they tried.

As for the elitist crap that swirls around - there is heaps.   May as well start a Mac vs PC war as well.
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June 27, 2011, 07:19:01 PM
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...and they would exist because?

this is one weird-ass minutae. I wonder if a turnip has grown in the shape of a bitcoin symbol yet?
It was a joke linking the OS war and the lisp comments above my post with the vi vs emacs holy wars.

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June 27, 2011, 07:19:59 PM
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Instead of trolling their loss, show some empathy, and work out what we have learned.

I'm glad you wrote while agitated, everything in this post is something that needed to be said, especially the part I quoted.  Well done.
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June 27, 2011, 07:44:30 PM
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pffft.

i don't use a roofing hammer to put a picture-frame hook into wallboard.

there's no real elitism that i can see - just a certain amount of vocal practicality.

i would never recommend that a musician or graphic artist use anything but a MacOS.

likewise, i would hardly suggest anything but Windows to a serious gamer.

and - whether one cares to admit it or not - when dealing with either the security requirements of large sums of computerized money or the computational overkill of mining, i can't imagine using anything but some flavor of *nix.

and now, if you will all excuse me, i'm going to go mix up a margarita for lunch with the squirrel-cage fan in one of my reference 5870s...
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June 27, 2011, 08:06:34 PM
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The BTC community is/was largely made out of extreme tech geeks.
As such, there will be a large proportion of people with asperger/autist tendencies, social insensitivity, irritation and other "flaws".

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June 27, 2011, 09:53:09 PM
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So are there any Bitcoin related Emacs extensions or Vim scripts yet?

I was thinking this morning:
"Man, I'd like an emacs extension! I would be able to hide my wallet.dat in any file I want, on the fly!"
Sadly I don't know enough about C to do the same thing efficiently.  Cry

In addition, this would be supported on every OS.

This proves Lisp is the way to go.  Grin
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June 27, 2011, 10:05:42 PM
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...and they would exist because?

this is one weird-ass minutae. I wonder if a turnip has grown in the shape of a bitcoin symbol yet?
It was a joke linking the OS war and the lisp comments above my post with the vi vs emacs holy wars.

That's a fair reply and I am humbled.

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June 28, 2011, 06:13:32 AM
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The use of Windows operating systems, particularly for mining, is a threat to the security of the Bitcoin network.

Stop it.

I agree.
I think updates have alot to do with it. Windows should do a better job at forcing people to update, and that right there would keep 95% of the computers hack proof. Windows is really good at patching hacks, especially ever since windows 7 came out. This is really their baby, and they are trying really hard to end this Windows hackers culture.

EDIT: And everyone on here should be on windows 7 or windows server 2008. If you are running XP or any older versions of windows, you deserve to get hacked. 

Except that on Windows you have hundreds of third party apps that you have to keep up do date. Most viruses came via Flash, JVM etc.

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June 28, 2011, 06:14:16 AM
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The use of Windows operating systems, particularly for mining, is a threat to the security of the Bitcoin network.

Stop it.

I agree.

How exactly does using windows for mining threaten the security of the Bitcoin network?  This must have been intended as a joke.

You can take over many mining machines and reverse transactions.

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June 28, 2011, 06:16:03 AM
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I have 4 dedicated Windows 7 mining rigs.  They are on their own separate network behind a firewall which blocks all incoming access and is configured to allow outbound access only to a small list of sites (basically just the various mining pools & windows update).  I don't see how my choice of operating system is a threat to the Bitcoin network, but I am willing to be enlightened.

It is protected against the internet, but not against the internal net. The firewall machines can be taken over first.

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