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November 05, 2017, 06:50:51 AM
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Sure, but one doesn't make any amount of money that is worth caring about even without factoring the diminishing returns over time in.
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November 05, 2017, 08:49:13 AM
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Sure, but one doesn't make any amount of money that is worth caring about even without factoring the diminishing returns over time in.

 I hate to say it as I don't wanna be that guy but... Your a blabbering fucking idiot.

 I noticed you didn't respond to the post before as you literally have no come back.

 Fact. If you own a S9 you are making over $20+ a day and paying less than .11 in elec.

 You have no basis for your claims, nor any reasonable argument why not to buy one.

 Rather than fucking sit here all high and mighty and preach, how bout you show some real figures as to why not. True that.

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November 05, 2017, 01:56:29 PM
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Say I have one bitcoin today. What should I do with it? Should I get four S9 antminers or three L3+ antminers or combination of them.

Are are some smart options to grow this one bitcoin?
- buy equipment & mine (i have cheap electricity)
- buy equipment and have Hashnet host them
- hodl
- invest in LTC instead of BTC

What would you do?

If i were in your position i wont go for mining even if the electricity is cheap as mining wont give that much profit. I will go for 40% of the investment in other altcoins and balance will keep in btc as you can see the price is moving so high that we can say that it will become hard to earn 1 btc that time. And will work for bitcoins and earn more bitcoins.
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November 05, 2017, 03:55:35 PM
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Sure, but one doesn't make any amount of money that is worth caring about even without factoring the diminishing returns over time in.

 I hate to say it as I don't wanna be that guy but... Your a blabbering fucking idiot.

 I noticed you didn't respond to the post before as you literally have no come back.

 Fact. If you own a S9 you are making over $20+ a day and paying less than .11 in elec.

 You have no basis for your claims, nor any reasonable argument why not to buy one.

 Rather than fucking sit here all high and mighty and preach, how bout you show some real figures as to why not. True that.

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I provided detailed reasoning several times. And it should be obvious to anyone with the most basic understandings of business structures.

But anyway, since you prefer insulting over turning on your brain, here's some hard data.


A single S9 unit costs around $3500 right now and draws 1400 Watts. At 10 cents per KWH and current Bitcoin prices that means a profit of just under $15 a day, which means 8 months of mining to break-even. And this is before the adjusting difficulty or any increase or decline in prices.

Now, since mining is a multi-billion dollar corporate endeavour these days, said corporations will rush to increase their hashrate as soon as they possibly can if the prices allow to do so. And since they are fucking billion-dollar corporations, they will get better prices on hardware, thus further increasing their profitability by decreased costs. Hence, the hashrate will increase very rapidly whenever there is a significant increase in prices (which has happened literally every single time so far in the history of every single cryptocurrency).

As a result, the above estimate will be on the low end even with Bitcoin prices increasing, so in reality you will be looking at longer than 8 months to make your money back. On top of that you have the opportunity cost of losing out on Bitcoin's price increase, that this year around would've equalled a break-even period of less than two months average, which is four times higher than the generous estimate of 8 months on the miner.
The one and only benefit that a miner offers over buying Bitcoin directly is the fact that it could potentially be resold and thus serve as a hedge. This however, is only viable in the event that Bitcoin remains popular, in which case you'll profit significantly more by just holding the coins.

In the event that Bitcoin decreases in popularity, not only your profits will go down by mining, but the resale value will decrease significantly as well because ASICs are completely useless for anything else.
In anyway, the point that I've repeatedly made remains. Unless you're a hobby nerd and want to try out mining for fun, or have a significant amount of wealth invested in crypto that you want hedged against the high volatility and have competitive electricty prices (sub 5 cents because the giant farms will drive the profits down into this range) it makes no sense to buy ASICs to mine Bitcoin.

And in the case of a hobby miner you're better of with GPUs due to the ease of resale in case of crypto going south.



Sorry for taking a dump on your lawn, since you're clearly into mining. But it just simply makes no sense for low net worth individuals from a strictly economic perspective.


P.S. This is calculated at the $7530 price, only a month ago the profit would've been around $8 per day, equating to a break-even period of at least 14 months before adjusting for changes in hash rate. Pretty fucking shitty ROI for a crypto investment.

P.P.S. Complaining about people "sitting high and mighty" immediately invalidates all of your posts. Shows that you can't argue or reason without getting emotional or personal. I recommend working on that.
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November 05, 2017, 08:47:11 PM
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I would suggest you to buy an equipment and start mining more BTC since you have a cheap electricity.
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November 06, 2017, 12:48:04 AM
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A single S9 unit costs around $3500 right now and draws 1400 Watts. At 10 cents per KWH and current Bitcoin prices that means a profit of just under $15 a day, which means 8 months of mining to break-even. And this is before the adjusting difficulty or any increase or decline in prices.

 Dunno where the hell your buying from.. but my last batch I paid $1415 for each, and the batch before that I gave $1310 each. This is straight from Bitmain. So now, do your math again and tell me the ROI.

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November 06, 2017, 09:45:20 AM
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I would suggest you to buy an equipment and start mining more BTC since you have a cheap electricity.



If I were you, I would hold my Bitcoins. But first, I would have to work hard to have more Bitcoins through buying at a lower price, selling at a higher price, trading, mining, joining campaign advertisements, engaging into loans, among others. All my earnings obtained from the aforementioned shall accrue to my Bitcoin wallet and I will not spend a thing nor convert the same to fiat because I believe the value of Bitcoins will increase more and more.
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November 06, 2017, 10:12:52 AM
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If I were to hold your 1 Bitcoin, I would invest it buy holding it a little bit more until I get the value I desire. I will not be too greedy though. I will make sure I only achieve the amount I want then I will convert a fraction of it to fiat so I can invest in solid/tangible investments. I am scared to be too greedy about Bitcoins because it might be the cause of my downfall. Setting my own standards is key, and I make sure they are S.M.A.R.T. 
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November 06, 2017, 11:32:46 PM
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A single S9 unit costs around $3500 right now and draws 1400 Watts. At 10 cents per KWH and current Bitcoin prices that means a profit of just under $15 a day, which means 8 months of mining to break-even. And this is before the adjusting difficulty or any increase or decline in prices.

 Dunno where the hell your buying from.. but my last batch I paid $1415 for each, and the batch before that I gave $1310 each. This is straight from Bitmain. So now, do your math again and tell me the ROI.

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Good luck getting any S9s for anywhere close to that price.
They were around 2k during summer this year and now $3500 is still on the cheap side. Furthermore, whenever you bought your $1400 S9 units, the Bitcoin price was a lot lower which would've dumped the ROI way back down.

All you do is cherry picking, because you're clearly heavily biased towards mining, perhaps so you won't have to admit that Bitcoin mining isn't really worth the trouble. Are you perhaps trying to dump your Antminers? Or are you just trying to save face?

Whatever the case may be, your complete inability of objectively analyzing all relevant points simultaneously invalidates your opinion, which is not even close to being an assessment.
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November 07, 2017, 12:33:03 AM
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A single S9 unit costs around $3500 right now and draws 1400 Watts. At 10 cents per KWH and current Bitcoin prices that means a profit of just under $15 a day, which means 8 months of mining to break-even. And this is before the adjusting difficulty or any increase or decline in prices.

 Dunno where the hell your buying from.. but my last batch I paid $1415 for each, and the batch before that I gave $1310 each. This is straight from Bitmain. So now, do your math again and tell me the ROI.

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Good luck getting any S9s for anywhere close to that price.
They were around 2k during summer this year and now $3500 is still on the cheap side. Furthermore, whenever you bought your $1400 S9 units, the Bitcoin price was a lot lower which would've dumped the ROI way back down.

All you do is cherry picking, because you're clearly heavily biased towards mining, perhaps so you won't have to admit that Bitcoin mining isn't really worth the trouble. Are you perhaps trying to dump your Antminers? Or are you just trying to save face?

Whatever the case may be, your complete inability of objectively analyzing all relevant points simultaneously invalidates your opinion, which is not even close to being an assessment.

 Wow. Simply Wow. I mean literally WOW. (smacks forehead)

 Those prices were the last active prices I ordered at. Simply load the page man, $1415 was the last batch they sold. I promise you any miner here can verify this and verify the prices I quoted.

 FACT: The sons a bitchs make money, and those of us who bought s7's (which still make money) and early S9's from batch 1 up are banking on them. Idid your friggin math, and even if BTC were only $5k USD they still turn ROI in 3 months. Please quit preaching your anti-miner semantics as they simply do not add up. Any person with 4th grade math can figure that out.

You call me a cherry picker because I am biased on mining. Know what... Your right... I am. Reason being it makes me fucking money, pays my bills, allows my farm to continually grow and diversify.

 I seriously don't get you on the whole sell/dump my Ant's. Do you see any threads of me offering a miner at all? Didn't think so. Sure, everything is for sell at the right price. But no way in hell I would sell at what I can buy them for due to time in getting more. I would lose more than I could possibly try to gain.

 Save face? Heh? I stand where I always have. Seems to me your the one who is offended/jealous that you realize your own philosophy on mining is totally construed and lacks any merit whatsoever.

 Ability to analyze all relevant points..... Hmmmmm... Your the one that cannot simply do math keyboard warrior.

 Sorry, I should just stop feeding the fucking trolls and stay on topic as it is clear this forum has a ton of them.

 Back to the question asked. With 1 Bitcoin at todays rate with no farm on hand I would buy 5 s9's and run their tits off and bank next year. If I had 10 bitcoin I would do the same, but only with 7. The rest I would load on multi usb's and put in the safe deposit box (hint hint).

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November 07, 2017, 01:14:27 AM
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A single S9 unit costs around $3500 right now and draws 1400 Watts. At 10 cents per KWH and current Bitcoin prices that means a profit of just under $15 a day, which means 8 months of mining to break-even. And this is before the adjusting difficulty or any increase or decline in prices.

 Dunno where the hell your buying from.. but my last batch I paid $1415 for each, and the batch before that I gave $1310 each. This is straight from Bitmain. So now, do your math again and tell me the ROI.

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Good luck getting any S9s for anywhere close to that price.
They were around 2k during summer this year and now $3500 is still on the cheap side. Furthermore, whenever you bought your $1400 S9 units, the Bitcoin price was a lot lower which would've dumped the ROI way back down.

All you do is cherry picking, because you're clearly heavily biased towards mining, perhaps so you won't have to admit that Bitcoin mining isn't really worth the trouble. Are you perhaps trying to dump your Antminers? Or are you just trying to save face?

Whatever the case may be, your complete inability of objectively analyzing all relevant points simultaneously invalidates your opinion, which is not even close to being an assessment.

 Wow. Simply Wow. I mean literally WOW. (smacks forehead)

 Those prices were the last active prices I ordered at. Simply load the page man, $1415 was the last batch they sold. I promise you any miner here can verify this and verify the prices I quoted.

 FACT: The sons a bitchs make money, and those of us who bought s7's (which still make money) and early S9's from batch 1 up are banking on them. Idid your friggin math, and even if BTC were only $5k USD they still turn ROI in 3 months. Please quit preaching your anti-miner semantics as they simply do not add up. Any person with 4th grade math can figure that out.

You call me a cherry picker because I am biased on mining. Know what... Your right... I am. Reason being it makes me fucking money, pays my bills, allows my farm to continually grow and diversify.

I seriously don't get you on the whole sell/dump my Ant's. Do you see any threads of me offering a miner at all? Didn't think so. Sure, everything is for sell at the right price. But no way in hell I would sell at what I can buy them for due to time in getting more. I would lose more than I could possibly try to gain.

 Save face? Heh? I stand where I always have. Seems to me your the one who is offended/jealous that you realize your own philosophy on mining is totally construed and lacks any merit whatsoever.

 Ability to analyze all relevant points..... Hmmmmm... Your the one that cannot simply do math keyboard warrior.

 Sorry, I should just stop feeding the fucking trolls and stay on topic as it is clear this forum has a ton of them.

 Back to the question asked. With 1 Bitcoin at todays rate with no farm on hand I would buy 5 s9's and run their tits off and bank next year. If I had 10 bitcoin I would do the same, but only with 7. The rest I would load on multi usb's and put in the safe deposit box (hint hint).

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Maybe learn to pay more attention, because I'm pretty sure I never told anyone to sell/dump their miners. I said it's not - from a profit-driven perspective - the best move to get into mining unless you meet very specific conditions, namely low electricity prices and high investments in crypto, or as a tech-nerd kind of hobby (which is what I do with my rigs). If you're already in it, that's fine. If you just want to do it for the sake of doing it that's fine as well. However, the facts of the matter are that there are much more profitable solutions than mining, that Bitcoin mining is the riskiest of all, and that mining is best viewed as a hedge or hobby.

And by the way, it takes forever to even get an Ant from the main page, which also costs over 2k with a PSU. Hence the high prices from just about any directly available source.

And no, I'm not realizing anything you're suggesting at all. Maybe if you could provide real net profits that consider price changes and network difficulty we can talk. But I've already done the Math with generous and harsh estimates and it's simply not worth it if you're out for maximizing returns. If that is not your goal, then that's perfectly fine, but you keep insisting on the contrary.
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