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October 27, 2017, 10:30:13 AM
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I honestly don't see the problem.  They don't have to actually install malicious software on your computer to do this new browser mining.  

Having ads on their website is a slight inconvenience to the user.  Having a script to mine Monero still allows the user to access their site, but it doesn't bother the user at all for the website to make revenue using their CPU power.

It may be a bit of a shock at first to realise that websites are doing this, and perhaps it would be a good idea for them to ask before they start doing this rather than doing it without their users' permission, but it's really not so bad.

If you really don't like websites doing this for some reason, just install a good adblocker or antivirus and it should handle it.
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October 27, 2017, 10:44:48 AM
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I honestly don't see the problem.  They don't have to actually install malicious software on your computer to do this new browser mining.  

Having ads on their website is a slight inconvenience to the user.  Having a script to mine Monero still allows the user to access their site, but it doesn't bother the user at all for the website to make revenue using their CPU power.

It may be a bit of a shock at first to realise that websites are doing this, and perhaps it would be a good idea for them to ask before they start doing this rather than doing it without their users' permission, but it's really not so bad.

If you really don't like websites doing this for some reason, just install a good adblocker or antivirus and it should handle it.

As long as the website disclose that they will be using your computing power when you visit the site, it won't be a problem. It is their service after all
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October 27, 2017, 10:46:58 AM
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If you think you do not stay too long especially if you think that these types of sites can be made it may not be legal but this site may be related to the profits You can also set up a system and you do not have any problems
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October 27, 2017, 10:52:34 AM
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from what i have understood about these mining sites i can say these sites run special scripts through your browser to mine altcoins (monero to be exact) and scripts can always be blocked by twerking your browser, possibly by disabling Javascript even you may be able to block all of them pretty easily. but i have seen extensions out there for different browsers that can do this much simpler. you can install one of them to prevent this abuse.

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October 27, 2017, 11:04:44 AM
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After reading about the Pirate Bay hijacking web miners (https://gizmodo.com/the-pirate-bay-added-a-cpu-hijacking-bitcoin-miner-to-s-1818488143) I wondered if anyone had created a list of such sites. How would you even detect that the site is stealing compute power from your device?

There are more than 500 million users affected by in-browser mining. Most of these websites have a shady rep, torrent or adult sites. CoinHive is a better alternative to irritating ads, but since CoinHive can't forbid webmasters from stealth mining, webmasters should ask users permission to drain their CPU resources.

If you have adblocker installed then CoinHive enforces an explicit opt-in, AuthedMine. The AuthedMine miner will not start without an user's consent.

Apart from Adblocker, you can use Chrome extensions like No Coin and minerBlock to block in-browser mining.
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October 27, 2017, 11:07:54 AM
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I saw that and make sure it didnt do anything bad to my pc and I was ok with it. I don't see the problem because it's a way for some websites survive and pay at least the hosting fee, and as I made my search I also saw that this mining wasnt worth unless you have more than 1 million visitors daily because the mining results are awful. You can block those websites by just installing an extension from Google Chrome called No Coin. Chrome has said that will ban websites from their search page if they keep using this tool.
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October 27, 2017, 11:12:23 AM
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Is this a criminal ?, I am a customer of pirate bay. I downloaded some apps and movies there.
after this I will leave it. thank you for caring.
Not really a criminal offense but they are using your CPU for mining monero and if you have a lot of loads of applications that are open on your window at the same time, you are the one that will be affected of it. They are with CPU mining as they are earning more there. When I'm visiting a website, I keep on checking the process and usage of my CPU and if goes crazy at 75%-100% I'm shutting down the browser and will restart my PC.
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October 27, 2017, 11:50:58 AM
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Is this a criminal ?, I am a customer of pirate bay. I downloaded some apps and movies there.
after this I will leave it. thank you for caring.
Not really a criminal offense but they are using your CPU for mining monero and if you have a lot of loads of applications that are open on your window at the same time, you are the one that will be affected of it. They are with CPU mining as they are earning more there. When I'm visiting a website, I keep on checking the process and usage of my CPU and if goes crazy at 75%-100% I'm shutting down the browser and will restart my PC.
I think it's a criminal offense mainly because it is a pirate site. The site is illegal to operate in the first place but if the site is a legal site, there is no problem with that
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October 27, 2017, 09:51:27 PM
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Is this a criminal ?, I am a customer of pirate bay. I downloaded some apps and movies there.
after this I will leave it. thank you for caring.
Not really a criminal offense but they are using your CPU for mining monero and if you have a lot of loads of applications that are open on your window at the same time, you are the one that will be affected of it. They are with CPU mining as they are earning more there. When I'm visiting a website, I keep on checking the process and usage of my CPU and if goes crazy at 75%-100% I'm shutting down the browser and will restart my PC.
I think it's a criminal offense mainly because it is a pirate site. The site is illegal to operate in the first place but if the site is a legal site, there is no problem with that

We are talking about the mining thing, we know that they are a pirate site and yes it's a criminal offense and it has been suited by the authorities even before. I just don't know if the owner was freed or there are people who are working under him. But with the usage of their visitors CPU usage I think that's not a criminal offense but if we talk about the whole site, yes they are operating as illegal.
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October 27, 2017, 10:04:19 PM
Last edit: October 28, 2017, 02:37:53 PM by Hobo66
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Allot of web developers or using this web based browser mining with their website now smartly,
I my self can implement this in website before doing so I will be doing my research to see if this method is legal. Wink

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October 27, 2017, 10:19:38 PM
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I don't really mind that websites do this, just because I'm not really affected because I'm using NoScript.
It could actually become a better revenue-model than advertising, if it's done with the users' consent though.

I personally wouldn't really mind lending my processing power for mining if it's only active when I'm on their website and if they ask for permission first.

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October 27, 2017, 10:48:22 PM
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After reading about the Pirate Bay hijacking web miners (https://gizmodo.com/the-pirate-bay-added-a-cpu-hijacking-bitcoin-miner-to-s-1818488143) I wondered if anyone had created a list of such sites. How would you even detect that the site is stealing compute power from your device?

Guys, I don't think you need to worry so much about it. Nowadays so many sites are using this in their sites. And you cannot do anything against it. in my opinion, website mining wont damage your PC because generally after visiting the site for 10 or 30 minutes, we actually close the website. If you forget to close the site , then it will be a problem because it may heat up the CPU. The real problem with this mining sites is it makes our PC laggy when the site is open.
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October 28, 2017, 04:42:56 PM
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I don't see the problem here.

Guys do you seriously believe that anyone would sacrifice themselves by creating something like pirate bay without any personal return?
Remember: if it's free it's that you're the product.

You can pay every film and game you dowload illegally on something like pirate bay
Or you can chose to give them parts of your CPU power to mine btc and pay them like this.

Easy choice for me! Cheesy

Lol - true - I guess in this instance ethics isn't a major concern - either for the users or owners. Outside of the pirate bay though - what if you were paying for a Netflix subscription and they were stealing cycles from your CPU in a way that you would never know - would you care?
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October 28, 2017, 10:01:29 PM
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I don't see the problem here.

Guys do you seriously believe that anyone would sacrifice themselves by creating something like pirate bay without any personal return?
Remember: if it's free it's that you're the product.

You can pay every film and game you dowload illegally on something like pirate bay
Or you can chose to give them parts of your CPU power to mine btc and pay them like this.

Easy choice for me! Cheesy

Lol - true - I guess in this instance ethics isn't a major concern - either for the users or owners. Outside of the pirate bay though - what if you were paying for a Netflix subscription and they were stealing cycles from your CPU in a way that you would never know - would you care?

Also there's no point on complaining if you are the kind of person who is very sensitive with CPU usage and temperature. Illegal Sites can do what they want.
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October 28, 2017, 10:56:58 PM
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It is not possible to mine Bitcoin through a website. You can mine Bitcoin only by using ASICs. Probably you are talking about mining Monero. It was quite popular lately and some websites have implemented it. I think it's better than ads unless it doesn't use 100% of my CPU. Laptop users had a hard time when they weren't controlling it.
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October 28, 2017, 11:05:43 PM
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It is not possible to mine Bitcoin through a website. You can mine Bitcoin only by using ASICs. Probably you are talking about mining Monero. It was quite popular lately and some websites have implemented it. I think it's better than ads unless it doesn't use 100% of my CPU. Laptop users had a hard time when they weren't controlling it.
I disagree, it is possible to mine a really small amount of bitcoin with the mentioned code. One of the bitcoin blogs in my country has already tried it just as an experiment (and they have marked the website to let the readers know), and the effect was really little. Some of the antiviruses among the readers were also detected the code in the website and the page was not allowed to load, so it was not a profitable thing.
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October 28, 2017, 11:27:02 PM
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It is not possible to mine Bitcoin through a website. You can mine Bitcoin only by using ASICs. Probably you are talking about mining Monero. It was quite popular lately and some websites have implemented it. I think it's better than ads unless it doesn't use 100% of my CPU. Laptop users had a hard time when they weren't controlling it.

This is true they are mining monero and most likely other websites are also using the code to mine with the end user. Also this was supposed or compensate with the advertisement. It can be profitable on their end and can really stop the annoyong ads on the website but i think mining without the end users knowledge or permission is not good and could be illegal. I hope in the future antivirus can detect websites that mine monero and just give you an option if want to continue with the site.on that way they are sure that the end user is agreeing with the website to mine on their end.
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October 28, 2017, 11:34:15 PM
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I mean it's relatively simple to find out if a website is using your CPU by monitoring the CPU usage. At the end of the day at the current difficulty of Bitcoin it's literally pointless of doing this for anyone except for experimental/testing.

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October 29, 2017, 01:58:10 AM
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After reading about the Pirate Bay hijacking web miners (https://gizmodo.com/the-pirate-bay-added-a-cpu-hijacking-bitcoin-miner-to-s-1818488143) I wondered if anyone had created a list of such sites. How would you even detect that the site is stealing compute power from your device?

This is not new there is a lot of websites and games using this kind of trick stealing your computing power and use it to mine while you are playing their games. i'd become admin of a private server games and some script are attach to login page of the game then if the game starts then the mining will start too. so that is why some of game has a big specification requirements.
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October 29, 2017, 04:41:49 PM
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even i heard of such a situation it is actually bad it gives bitcoin a bad reputation website should depend on ad for generating revenie if they use their users computer to mine it might not be stable after sometime aa particular mining equipment  is always required for mininh
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