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June 29, 2011, 03:22:46 PM
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Savers and investors are two sides of the same coin... well, at least they were when banks did their job instead of playing the casino thanks to deregulation.

In spite of what the oficial propaganda says, the regulation in the USA has increased in each of the last decades.


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June 29, 2011, 03:46:51 PM
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Savers and investors are two sides of the same coin... well, at least they were when banks did their job instead of playing the casino thanks to deregulation.

In spite of what the oficial propaganda says, the regulation in the USA has increased in each of the last decades.


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June 29, 2011, 03:51:52 PM
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Savers and investors are two sides of the same coin... well, at least they were when banks did their job instead of playing the casino thanks to deregulation.

In spite of what the oficial propaganda says, the regulation in the USA has increased in each of the last decades.


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That doesn't mean a damn thing.  They could have increased the font size. Roll Eyes

I want you to list some actual regulation increase milestones.  If you can't do that then I'm going to start listing repeals of major regulations over the last decade and make you look like a fool.

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June 29, 2011, 07:56:54 PM
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That doesn't mean a damn thing.  They could have increased the font size. Roll Eyes

I want you to list some actual regulation increase milestones.  If you can't do that then I'm going to start listing repeals of major regulations over the last decade and make you look like a fool.

Stop acting dumb because you are not dumb. Regulations have changed, some have been added some have gone. But the net result has been an increase of regulations. That is a fact. You can try to deny reality but that is not my problem.

Btw, during the Bush era there has been an increase of the money handled by regulators. So its not only an increase of the amount of the reuglations but also an increase of the monetary impact of those regulations.

I know a lot of so called "economists" and the official propaganda says that there has been de-regulation, and they use it as explanation for everything, but if you look at the data you can see that there has been an increase of regulations.
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June 30, 2011, 01:17:02 AM
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Savers and investors are two sides of the same coin... well, at least they were when banks did their job instead of playing the casino thanks to deregulation.

In spite of what the oficial propaganda says, the regulation in the USA has increased in each of the last decades.


Citation required.




That doesn't mean a damn thing.  They could have increased the font size. Roll Eyes

You think they increased the font by a factor of seven?  Tongue

This was a quick google search because I have to go to the gym to meet a friend, but looks like the number of regulators has doubled since the 70s.  That is a significant increase, no?  I suppose they could all be sitting around doing nothing and not actually writing regulations, but I think you would have to admit the reason to have more regulators is to write and manage more regulations.  Right?


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July 01, 2011, 12:52:31 PM
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That doesn't mean a damn thing.  They could have increased the font size. Roll Eyes

I want you to list some actual regulation increase milestones.  If you can't do that then I'm going to start listing repeals of major regulations over the last decade and make you look like a fool.

Stop acting dumb because you are not dumb. Regulations have changed, some have been added some have gone. But the net result has been an increase of regulations. That is a fact. You can try to deny reality but that is not my problem.

Btw, during the Bush era there has been an increase of the money handled by regulators. So its not only an increase of the amount of the reuglations but also an increase of the monetary impact of those regulations.

I know a lot of so called "economists" and the official propaganda says that there has been de-regulation, and they use it as explanation for everything, but if you look at the data you can see that there has been an increase of regulations.


Show me the numbers.  This refrain will always remain the same with regards to your baseless statements.  Show me the numbers or you have no point.  Insulting me and telling me I'm denying reality is NOT proving your point for you.  Show me the numbers.

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July 01, 2011, 01:42:30 PM
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Do you think regulations in Sweden has gone down and that is the key to their success recovery? Or do you expect the same development in Sweden as in the US? I'm guessing that regulations are increasing everywhere in the world, due to the fact that the world is becoming more and more complex.
And there's also the key of where the regulations have been expanded. I know that regulations wrt Pharma has increased to prevent abuse, and regulations in automotive has increased due to environmental concerns and safety.
I'm not sure the increase in regulation is the culprit here.

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July 01, 2011, 02:25:09 PM
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I'm just tired of seeing propaganda (e.g. on the UN best of lists) that the scandinavian socialism is so good, when in fact close to 80% of a typical person's income goes into taxes in some way or another, and one have to settle for whatever the government hands back to you.
The typical Swede does not pay 80% in taxes. The typical Swede pays 25-30% in taxes.

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July 01, 2011, 07:15:39 PM
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Government spending (if done correctly) can and has been the best medicine for economic depression.  Look at the Russian recovery program and how they've built their middle class over the previous decade.  You can find many examples of other countries that have done the same.  

I'll keep my politics out of your economics if you keep your economics out of my politics.

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July 02, 2011, 02:38:20 AM
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Government spending (if done correctly) can and has been the best medicine for economic depression.  Look at the Russian recovery program and how they've built their middle class over the previous decade.  You can find many examples of other countries that have done the same.  


Middle class?  Pshh... no care.  What's a middle class?  I'm only interested in helping the wealthy and crushing the poor.

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July 04, 2011, 09:28:38 AM
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Government spending (if done correctly) can and has been the best medicine for economic depression.  Look at the Russian recovery program and how they've built their middle class over the previous decade.  You can find many examples of other countries that have done the same.  


Middle class?  Pshh... no care.  What's a middle class?  I'm only interested in helping the wealthy and crushing the poor.

Well the best thing you can do to promote that is keep building the myth of the "Free Market".  It's worked great so far.

I'll keep my politics out of your economics if you keep your economics out of my politics.

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July 04, 2011, 02:07:32 PM
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Government spending (if done correctly) can and has been the best medicine for economic depression.  Look at the Russian recovery program and how they've built their middle class over the previous decade.  You can find many examples of other countries that have done the same.  


Middle class?  Pshh... no care.  What's a middle class?  I'm only interested in helping the wealthy and crushing the poor.

Well the best thing you can do to promote that is keep building the myth of the "Free Market".  It's worked great so far.


Indeed.  I love promoting stuff that hurts myself.  I hope to someday be lucky enough to be in a serf position, serving my rich masters in a totally unregulated marketplace.

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July 04, 2011, 03:56:40 PM
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Government spending (if done correctly) can and has been the best medicine for economic depression.  Look at the Russian recovery program and how they've built their middle class over the previous decade.  You can find many examples of other countries that have done the same.  

Government spending is stupid and never works. For the government to spend, it has to tax. When it taxes, it is suctioning up capital from one sector of the economy, to decide what sector it will inject it in. Government cannot create wealth out of thin air.


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July 04, 2011, 03:57:28 PM
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Government spending (if done correctly) can and has been the best medicine for economic depression.  Look at the Russian recovery program and how they've built their middle class over the previous decade.  You can find many examples of other countries that have done the same.  


Middle class?  Pshh... no care.  What's a middle class?  I'm only interested in helping the wealthy and crushing the poor.

Well the best thing you can do to promote that is keep building the myth of the "Free Market".  It's worked great so far.


Indeed.  I love promoting stuff that hurts myself.  I hope to someday be lucky enough to be in a serf position, serving my rich masters in a totally unregulated marketplace.

Do you even know what a free market is?

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July 04, 2011, 04:57:29 PM
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Government spending (if done correctly) can and has been the best medicine for economic depression.  Look at the Russian recovery program and how they've built their middle class over the previous decade.  You can find many examples of other countries that have done the same.  

Government spending is stupid and never works.

Baseless statement that is a direct affront to the evidence provided in this thread.  Baseless statement is baseless.  Try again.

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July 04, 2011, 05:50:04 PM
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Baseless statement that is a direct affront to the evidence provided in this thread.  Baseless statement is baseless.  Try again.

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July 04, 2011, 07:43:37 PM
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Government spending (if done correctly) can and has been the best medicine for economic depression.  Look at the Russian recovery program and how they've built their middle class over the previous decade.  You can find many examples of other countries that have done the same.  
Government spending is stupid and never works. For the government to spend, it has to tax. When it taxes, it is suctioning up capital from one sector of the economy, to decide what sector it will inject it in. Government cannot create wealth out of thin air.
So, even though that's just what Sweden has done, and they've come out on top after the recession, what they just did doesn't work?
Interesting.

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July 04, 2011, 07:46:21 PM
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Government spending (if done correctly) can and has been the best medicine for economic depression.  Look at the Russian recovery program and how they've built their middle class over the previous decade.  You can find many examples of other countries that have done the same.  
Government spending is stupid and never works. For the government to spend, it has to tax. When it taxes, it is suctioning up capital from one sector of the economy, to decide what sector it will inject it in. Government cannot create wealth out of thin air.
So, even though that's just what Sweden has done, and they've come out on top after the recession, what they just did doesn't work?
Interesting.
It won't work if it is applied to a larger society.
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July 04, 2011, 07:49:43 PM
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Government spending (if done correctly) can and has been the best medicine for economic depression.  Look at the Russian recovery program and how they've built their middle class over the previous decade.  You can find many examples of other countries that have done the same.  
Government spending is stupid and never works. For the government to spend, it has to tax. When it taxes, it is suctioning up capital from one sector of the economy, to decide what sector it will inject it in. Government cannot create wealth out of thin air.
So, even though that's just what Sweden has done, and they've come out on top after the recession, what they just did doesn't work?
Interesting.

You never addressed my reply about how government spending does not work. I find curious that you keep repeating the same.
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July 04, 2011, 07:55:54 PM
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You never addressed my reply about how government spending does not work. I find curious that you keep repeating the same.

Reply #25?

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