BTC FUD

[spngebob]

Has anyone noticed every time bitcoin increase its value some of the big guys come to say how bitcoin is bubble, people don't know what they are doing, people will lose money and so on, and every time bitcoin decreases its value they all become quiet?
In my opinion they are all big manipulators and no one should pay any attention on what they say.

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[BrewMaster]

most of them say these things all the time but they intensify it by the time bitcoin is gaining more attention, which as it happens is mostly when the price is rising.

and sometimes it is indeed done for manipulation purposes because they have been investing in bitcoin themselves and they know the big potential of bitcoin but also sometimes it is because they are scared of bitcoin because again they know about the potential of bitcoin and how it can threaten their business.

[cellard]

Has anyone noticed every time bitcoin increase its value some of the big guys come to say how bitcoin is bubble, people don't know what they are doing, people will lose money and so on, and every time bitcoin decreases its value they all become quiet?
In my opinion they are all big manipulators and no one should pay any attention on what they say.

Indeed. The latest 2 big names that i've heard after the Jamie Dimon and Robert Shiller FUD are Al-Waleed Bin Talal bin Abdulaziz al Saud (yes, that's his full name, and he has 20 billion networth, a Saudi prince) claiming Bitcoin is a bubble.

Warren Buffet, another billionaire investor, recently claimed BTC is a bubble too (funny that Al-Waleed is called the "arabian Warren Buffet")

I noticed how Jamie Dimon and Peter Schiff are claiming how "it could go to $100,000 before it crashes". This is how "in case im wrong... I will still be right" looks like.

[illinest]

Has anyone noticed every time bitcoin increase its value some of the big guys come to say how bitcoin is bubble, people don't know what they are doing, people will lose money and so on, and every time bitcoin decreases its value they all become quiet?
In my opinion they are all big manipulators and no one should pay any attention on what they say.

This is to be expected. In fact, when I fit my tin foil hat on tightly, it almost seems like this is the basis for the Segwit2x fork next month. Bitcoin just got a major update after two years of waiting, and was on its way to $10,000 in price. Fees have dropped significantly for those who have switched to a Segwit wallet. Yet now is the time to implement an incompatible hard fork in just a few months time? It makes no sense!

But if you think about it, it's the perfect FUD to create uncertainty around Bitcoin and drive the market downward. Maybe this was an attempt by the powers-that-be to keep the price down while they figure out what the hell to do about the popularization of cryptocurrencies.

[NeuroticFish]

More and more big names spread FUD while buying in. They work with big bucks and FUD helps the price don't jump too much when they buy.
But they can't stay away from the honeypot. It's just too tempting.

The most I like the newest ones like "I have no idea what it's that, so it will fall" or "It will surely fall in the next 100000 years, although it may be caused by the sun exploding" (ok, they were not said like that, but if you read carefully between the lines, they are not so far from this)

[13abyknight]

Has anyone noticed every time bitcoin increase its value some of the big guys come to say how bitcoin is bubble, people don't know what they are doing, people will lose money and so on, and every time bitcoin decreases its value they all become quiet?
In my opinion they are all big manipulators and no one should pay any attention on what they say.

Of course all of these big players are just trying to get a grip of the market by manipulating the news and always buy the dip that they themselves have caused. Scam, bubble, fraud or whatever they call it, ends up causing enough FUD in the market to make the price crash by a fair bit and they buy in at this point of time.

[Immakillya]

It could be the manipulators are behind of these spreading of FUDs to people. They want to make an opportunity to buy some cheaper Bitcoin by scaring people that may cause a panic selling. They are taking advantage of it by buying at the dip. Also we take advantage of it. But some are really against Bitcoin. Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies are serious threat to their business. Most of them are from financial institutions. Look at Jamie Dimon. He don't even know shit about Bitcoin. But he always say bad against bitcoin because it affects their business. But instead of drops of price. It makes Bitcoin more popular.

[malikusama]

Has anyone noticed every time bitcoin increase its value some of the big guys come to say how bitcoin is bubble, people don't know what they are doing, people will lose money and so on, and every time bitcoin decreases its value they all become quiet?
In my opinion they are all big manipulators and no one should pay any attention on what they say.

What i have observed that many big investors do it to buy coins at low price. Because when FUD is spread the users begin to sell their bitcoins and the price went down, this is the time or opportunity the whales are looking for to buy as much as they can at low price.
If the manipulators are not buyer then surely they don't have any idea that what bitcoin really is, they are just misguiding people all around them.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Yeah well, bitcoin certainly looks like it's in a bubble to me, and not just the price but the behaviours of people that you normally see in a bubble.   Like people selling all their kid's belongings, the scammy behavior, and probably a lot more.  The question in my mind is, when is it going to crash?   Bubbles can go on for quite a while, and very few people ever call the top before the top happens.  It's not FUD on my part.  I genuinely think we're going to crash hard eventually.   I'm not short bitcoin, and I have absolutely nothing to gain if we crash.  Some people truly aren't permabulls.

[krishnapramod]

Yeah well, bitcoin certainly looks like it's in a bubble to me, and not just the price but the behaviours of people that you normally see in a bubble.   Like people selling all their kid's belongings, the scammy behavior, and probably a lot more.  The question in my mind is, when is it going to crash?   Bubbles can go on for quite a while, and very few people ever call the top before the top happens.  It's not FUD on my part.  I genuinely think we're going to crash hard eventually.   I'm not short bitcoin, and I have absolutely nothing to gain if we crash.  Some people truly aren't permabulls.

Yeah, I do agree to an extent. When some big guys come and say Bitcoin is bubble and our instant reaction is FUD/market manipulation then we are acknowledging the fact that Bitcoin maket is highly speculative in nature.

The guy who sold his home/business for Bitcoin wouldn't have even thought about this possibility about four months ago. Speculating based on fundamental values and taking calculated risks doesn't do much harm to the market, but when it is purely based on price movements, it is chaotic.

It wouldn't be wrong to say that Bitcoin is in a positive feedback loop, where short-term gains will generate a lot of speculation, but doesn't have to be destructive. Corrections, rather than a crash, self-regulating. As far as market corrects itself and positive feedback loop doesn't overwhelm negative feedback loop, Bitcoin doesn't necessarily have to be a bubble.

Technology, utility, scarcity, adoption, recognition, but still we have a hard time coming up with the fair price of Bitcoin because the maket is highly speculative. Only large-scale adoption would put an end to bubble/FUD/manipulation theory where a market not dependent on speculation, but Bitcoin's utility as money, medium of exchange, where fair value can be justifiably derived on the basis of what exists rather than just assumptions.

[enhu]

Ask Jaime Dimon what he did to acquire BTCs because that's what I heard on social media. It happened just recently that BTC price went down from $5K to $4K .  A person who has influence to the public and will declare BTC as scam can have a big effect while he also did it while China banns BTC. ITs a good time to fud while he prepares his money to buy BTC.

Manipulation is always there now that they knew BTC value will soon be more than $5K

[GreenBits]

Has anyone noticed every time bitcoin increase its value some of the big guys come to say how bitcoin is bubble, people don't know what they are doing, people will lose money and so on, and every time bitcoin decreases its value they all become quiet?
In my opinion they are all big manipulators and no one should pay any attention on what they say.

hell to the yes, and I preach this from week to week, when we experience it. every time we get anywhere near a new ath, the media, which largely avoided mentioning bitcoin (cuz Trump is the whole of the goddamned news over here, saying that as a moderate leaning liberal). and the only other time we make the news is for bullshit, like when people get kidnapped and are almost sold for btc (terrible idea kidnap bros!).


this is illegal, and after btc is regulated a bit more people will start to use legal force to stop shit like this. the banks (yes banks) know exactly what they are doing. funny how bitcoin is a non isssue, until it isnt.

[dothebeats]

Everyone got the reasons to believe that bitcoin is indeed a bubble. Astronomical gains without any solid reason for that to happen in the first place, lack of acceptance from merchants, no real world usage with a $100B market cap? Seems to be a bubble to me. Also, within a short span of time, it would be gaining 1200% of its original value. Everything points out as bitcoin being a bubble and I hate to admit it but it seems very likely that everything is just some artificial gain controlled by a few rich people.

[haroldtee]

That has always been their way so it is not a surprise. It is just unfortunate that some of these guys who complain about being robbed of their future by these guys are the same set of people who panic and drop their cash for them at loss for these guys to profit.
The same Jamie that condemned bitcoin made xbt transactions for his client fee days later. I really hope people can understand what this guys are always out for! To rip people off their assets, which has been their normal way of hustling from the beginning. (Deceptions and manipulations)

[joseafonso123az]

These guys might be telling that in hopes to see if increases more! Normally when influential people come and say something, their followers and "haters" will read it and manipulate even more the asset that is the topic, in this case the BTC. They also see that this can give a lot of financial freedom, so they wont just make this bubble burst now, and ruin it for them!

[electronicash]

These guys might be telling that in hopes to see if increases more! Normally when influential people come and say something, their followers and "haters" will read it and manipulate even more the asset that is the topic, in this case the BTC. They also see that this can give a lot of financial freedom, so they wont just make this bubble burst now, and ruin it for them!

it always happen here in the forum on some altcoins that we most support. i remember vitalik have some edited photos sniffing solvent just to fud. its price drop from $12 to $7 when it was being forked and being fud as well. those were the time we bought a lot of ETH too. 

[OmegaStarScream]

If you think that bitcoin is being attacked now then wait like 5 years more. The only way to fight against this is to spread awareness and knowledge and I believe this is why we have this forum in the first place. If people really understand how bitcoin works and what is it really about, I doubt anyone will ever sell again or take what a CEO of a bank will say.

[BitcoinIsAlgebraic]

Has anyone noticed every time bitcoin increase its value some of the big guys come to say how bitcoin is bubble, people don't know what they are doing, people will lose money and so on, and every time bitcoin decreases its value they all become quiet?
In my opinion they are all big manipulators and no one should pay any attention on what they say.

Of course trying to cause a crash is beneficial for all traders so a lot of them will come up with some sort of fud to try and encourage people to sell.

[2fresh]

If you think that bitcoin is being attacked now then wait like 5 years more. The only way to fight against this is to spread awareness and knowledge and I believe this is why we have this forum in the first place. If people really understand how bitcoin works and what is it really about, I doubt anyone will ever sell again or take what a CEO of a bank will say.

There will always be the kind of people who will follow a public person's advice , just cause they are rich or are involved with jpmorgan.

[subSTRATA]

Has anyone noticed every time bitcoin increase its value some of the big guys come to say how bitcoin is bubble, people don't know what they are doing, people will lose money and so on, and every time bitcoin decreases its value they all become quiet?
In my opinion they are all big manipulators and no one should pay any attention on what they say.

i think its mostly the newer people that have zero experience in financial holdings that do this without knowing, they've never experienced their assets being devalued, and thus panic unreasonably. since bitcoin has surged in popularity recently, it only makes sense that all these newcomers would needlessly contribute to this effect. it might take a while, but i'd think these newbies come to learn after a while to trust in the strength of bitcoin. also doesn't help with all the forks going on lately, theyve made for bigger and more frequent swings than in the past.