Player Vs Player Betting Game. Will you be interested to participate?

[akamit]

Hi guys,
I was thinking to organize a betting game (player vs player) in a third party site.

The game will be like players will enter the game by paying x value (including my fee).
And then all of the players will play the game to stay at the positions of 1-10 to win prizes.

Lets say, there will be 24 players participating in a single game with a participation fee of BTC0.01050000

Total prize pool will be BTC0.24

Prize Distribution
1st   25%
2nd   20%
3rd   15%
4th   10%
5th   5%
6th   5%
7th   5%
8th   5%
9th   5%
10th   5%

So will you be interested to join the game?

Please make a vote and share your thoughts of every angle you may think to show your support.


Edit: 31/10/2017 - Quoted from Post #25

So far 14 votes has been made by voters.
Among 14, 6 are on "YES" / 6 are on "TRUST MATTERS" and 2 are on "NO"
It means, the voting is on positive side and majority of the community members want to taste a new concept.

Half of the members who voted on "Trust Matters" are concerned about me but they are interested on the game.
I am a member of this forum since Feb, 2016 and it is almost 2 years. And I'm a very active/regular member of this forum.
I agree I have not made much trades/transactions to prove myself. But it doesn't mean at all, that I'm dishonest.

So those who are concerned about me regarding trust, I think this can be solve by an escrow, isn't it?
If I start this game then I will escrow the total entry fee of participants and my fees to an escrow before I announce the game.
Later, when participants will join the game will be able to send me the entry fee directly. And if I cheat you guys then the escrow can pay you back.

The game, I'm thinking, can be played in different format.
A knock-out phase format / team vs team format / survival format

The entry fee and my fee which I have mentioned in op was just an example.
If I start the game then I will consider to start with low entry fee, so that players can get used to the game and the rules and for more player participation.

Those who are thinking that I will develop a pvp site for this game are very much wrong and didn't read previous posts.
I have clearly mentioned that the game will be organize in a third party site. The game is very well known to the world and I think most of you already know about it.
I am keeping the game secret because I don't want people to take away my idea and start the game by their own. But my thinking can be wrong. So if you guys think that it is okay to mention about the game herein then I will mention the game for everyone.

Regarding the referee issue.
Referee / game manager is required to handle the announcement thread, participation fee, prize distribution, game rules follow up etc etc.  

So far all the posts which are made by community members, I think can be solve to start the game.
But my biggest concern is something different, that, will it be legal to organize a betting game in a third party site without their awareness?

I hope this post will help you to decide the vote you will choose.

[PokerDiceMan]

what is game
football manager champhionship, fantasy sport, poker, black jack
i think before people interest or not , must explain about game

[akamit]

what is game
football manager champhionship, fantasy sport, poker, black jack
i think before people interest or not , must explain about game

At this point, I should only say that it is a multiplayer game.
It is nothing like you have mentioned above. It is not related to any casino games, gambling games.

The site where I want to organize the game is a free playing site.
I will be the referee and I will monitor the game very closely to ensure that everything is fair.

I didn't wrote anything about the game to keep it secret for now.
Hence, player will fight each other in a game to maintain their position in 1-10 to win the prize. Other 14 players will lost.

I hope this much information will help you to show your support.


edit: I would like to organize the game because I thought that we all became somewhat bored just by playing same games daily. So I just wanted to change the taste of the community. It won't be like 100 games will be played daily. As it will be manual process, maximum of 1 game will be played daily with x amount of players.

[darkangel11]

At this point, I should only say that it is a multiplayer game.
It is nothing like you have mentioned above. It is not related to any casino games, gambling games.

The site where I want to organize the game is a free playing site.
I will be the referee and I will monitor the game very closely to ensure that everything is fair.

This means that there won't be any provably fair system. We will have to trust the referee's judgement. Will he be an anonymous person? Will it be the business owner?
I guess there's going to be a lot of claims against him if people start playing this. You can expect losers to claim that he was dishonest and set the games up, even if it won't be true. I voted yes because it's a good idea, but it's going to be very difficult to make it work.

[akamit]

At this point, I should only say that it is a multiplayer game.
It is nothing like you have mentioned above. It is not related to any casino games, gambling games.

The site where I want to organize the game is a free playing site.
I will be the referee and I will monitor the game very closely to ensure that everything is fair.

This means that there won't be any provably fair system. We will have to trust the referee's judgement. Will he be an anonymous person? Will it be the business owner?
I guess there's going to be a lot of claims against him if people start playing this. You can expect losers to claim that he was dishonest and set the games up, even if it won't be true.

I will not judge the winner at all.
At the end of the game every user will be able to see the result. The system is not like dice sites or casinos..
You killed x amount and stayed at position 1 and others will follow at descending order. If someone killed more than you, you will go under him.

Players have to play well to stay at the 1-10 position to win prizes.
Lets say, if you have played very well at the beginning and your position is at 5 then after 10 mins you went to the position 15.
Every second you can monitor your position. The game time will be 30 mins. So after 30 mins the game will end automatically and the result will show up instantly.

Anonymous? I will be the referee.. Everyone can find me here everyday.
If I start the game with 24 players, then as 25th player I will join the game as referee, not as a player.

[darkangel11]

I will not judge the winner at all.
At the end of the game every user will be able to see the result. The system is not like dice sites or casinos..
You killed x amount and stayed at position 1 and others will follow at descending order. If someone killed more than you, you will go under him.

Ok, so something like a shooter of a kind. How can you prevent people cheating? There are aimbots and hacks made for almost every single PvP game in existence.
What if someone auto aims or uses external software to increase their chances?

Players have to play well to stay at the 1-10 position to win prizes.
Lets say, if you have played very well at the beginning and your position is at 5 then after 10 mins you went to the position 15.
Every second you can monitor your position. The game time will be 30 mins. So after 30 mins the game will end automatically and the result will show up instantly.

Anonymous? I will be the referee.. Everyone can find me here everyday.
If I start the game with 24 players, then as 25th player I will join the game as referee, not as a player.

Will you be able to influence the outcome of the game? In a game like that a referee's job shouldn't be required. You either kill someone or not. The rules should not leave any doubt so that there's no need to ask for referee's decision. If you allow for that there will certainly be some accusations. The more complex the game the more rules you'll need to establish. Like in chess the rules are very simple, but compare it to a competitive moba game and you'll know what I mean.

[pixie85]

Players have to play well to stay at the 1-10 position to win prizes.

I've seen similar elimination games where you were paying entry fee and then all the players were being asked the same questions, usually from science, math, history and so on and had very little time to answer. Those who got it right moved to the next round until only 1 person was left. The problem was that you had to wait a long time before enough players joined and the game could start.

Looks interesting. I would be interested if you allowed people to first check it out for free. What is your budget if I may ask? Have you made any similar sites before?

[Aikidoka]

I think I will be interested to participate. But it will not happen if I do not have bitcoin, right? It is a brilliant idea to be honest. However, I do not understand the referee's position. Is his mission to give the price to the winners or decide who are the winners and then give them the price?

And what about your claim? I think you will get much bitcoins from the remaining 14th players. That is a good strategy to get bitcoin. Keep it up, no kidding.

[Bitfort]

The major issue with PvP games is to get enough trraffic ( players ). There is lot of games (RPS, pokers, ...) but due to lack of active users it's almost imposible to meet someone to play with.
You should consider huge advertising and social campaigns, promo actions etc. to keep the game attractive and alive.


EDIT:   ... see I was first who choose "trust matters" which makes me bit surprised. Of course trus matters I will not send my funds to complete stranger without any sort of trust.

My trust measures looks like:

1. lvl. trust
- is game provably fair?

2. lvl. trust
- public known operator?
- if operator is anonymous, can he prove he holds enough funds? (so he don't need to run away with small amounts)

3. lvl. trust
- is the game concept profitable for operator?
- is the game running for long time?

(for each lvl. satisfied I'm willing to wager more)

[Cacingkemi]

Hi guys,
I was thinking to organize a betting game (player vs player) in a third party site.

The game will be like players will enter the game by paying x value (including my fee).
And then all of the players will play the game to stay at the positions of 1-10 to win prizes.

Lets say, there will be 24 players participating in a single game with a participation fee of BTC0.01050000

Total prize pool will be BTC0.24

Prize Distribution
1st   25%
2nd   20%
3rd   15%
4th   10%
5th   5%
6th   5%
7th   5%
8th   5%
9th   5%
10th   5%

So will you be interested to join the game?

Please make a vote and share your thoughts of every angle you may think to show your support.

Honestly I do not understood what game you mean,you must be put a game link site here or a video about the game.Your plan is good but I need to know first the game you mean and about escrow it must be there so your project goes well dude I will monitor this.

[akamit]

I will not judge the winner at all.
At the end of the game every user will be able to see the result. The system is not like dice sites or casinos..
You killed x amount and stayed at position 1 and others will follow at descending order. If someone killed more than you, you will go under him.

Ok, so something like a shooter of a kind. How can you prevent people cheating? There are aimbots and hacks made for almost every single PvP game in existence.
What if someone auto aims or uses external software to increase their chances?

Players have to play well to stay at the 1-10 position to win prizes.
Lets say, if you have played very well at the beginning and your position is at 5 then after 10 mins you went to the position 15.
Every second you can monitor your position. The game time will be 30 mins. So after 30 mins the game will end automatically and the result will show up instantly.

Anonymous? I will be the referee.. Everyone can find me here everyday.
If I start the game with 24 players, then as 25th player I will join the game as referee, not as a player.

Will you be able to influence the outcome of the game? In a game like that a referee's job shouldn't be required. You either kill someone or not. The rules should not leave any doubt so that there's no need to ask for referee's decision. If you allow for that there will certainly be some accusations. The more complex the game the more rules you'll need to establish. Like in chess the rules are very simple, but compare it to a competitive moba game and you'll know what I mean.

The game has no hacks & cheats. The game only depends on skills. I am playing the game since 4 years.
I will not be able to influence anyone by any means. Only player's skill can help them to win. Better players play, most probably they will win.
If I start the game then the necessary rules will be made to establish the game, but I will try to keep as simple as possible.

Regarding referee's duty,
As I will organize the whole game from first to last. I have to give assurance of players winnings in a fair way.
I mean, as a organizer my duty will be to hold the bets made by players. Then distribute the funds to winners as mentioned in OP.
If I don't join the game as a referee then how I will announce the result? If I ask someone else to announce the result then it won't be authenticate.

[akamit]

Players have to play well to stay at the 1-10 position to win prizes.

I've seen similar elimination games where you were paying entry fee and then all the players were being asked the same questions, usually from science, math, history and so on and had very little time to answer. Those who got it right moved to the next round until only 1 person was left. The problem was that you had to wait a long time before enough players joined and the game could start.

Looks interesting. I would be interested if you allowed people to first check it out for free. What is your budget if I may ask? Have you made any similar sites before?

You have guessed the game somewhat correctly. But it is not science, math & history game. It is like a shooting game, kill to win.
If I start the game, then at the beginning it may take time to get players. But I believe when we will be able to finish some games successfully we will get much response for this game.

I will not be able to offer players to play free as I cannot afford this. And the game will be played in a third party site (currently exists), not in my site nor I am developing such site.

I think I will be interested to participate. But it will not happen if I do not have bitcoin, right? It is a brilliant idea to be honest. However, I do not understand the referee's position. Is his mission to give the price to the winners or decide who are the winners and then give them the price?

And what about your claim? I think you will get much bitcoins from the remaining 14th players. That is a good strategy to get bitcoin. Keep it up, no kidding.

To know referee's duty please check previous post.
If there is 24 players in a game then 14 will lose and 10 will win. So the total fund will be distributed to the 10 winners (to know %, check OP).
And my fee will be paid separately, when paying entry fee. Please check op for example. My fee is not yet finale, so it may change if I start the game. And one thing more, the transaction fee in included in my fee.

The major issue with PvP games is to get enough trraffic ( players ). There is lot of games (RPS, pokers, ...) but due to lack of active users it's almost imposible to meet someone to play with.
You should consider huge advertising and social campaigns, promo actions etc. to keep the game attractive and alive.

EDIT:  ... see I was first who choose "trust matters" which makes me bit surprised. Of course trus matters I will not send my funds to complete stranger without any sort of trust.

My trust measures looks like:

1. lvl. trust
- is game provably fair?

2. lvl. trust
- public known operator?
- if operator is anonymous, can he prove he holds enough funds? (so he don't need to run away with small amounts)

3. lvl. trust
- is the game concept profitable for operator?
- is the game running for long time?

(for each lvl. satisfied I'm willing to wager more)

It is very normal that someone will trust and someone will not trust. That's why I created this thread to know community's perspective.
I think you have also not understood the main concept of this thread. Please read all the posts to better understand the concept.
And if I start the game, if needed I will escrow the total game fund before every players sends me bitcoins as a entry fee. I will escrow whenever I start a game.

Hi guys,
I was thinking to organize a betting game (player vs player) in a third party site.

The game will be like players will enter the game by paying x value (including my fee).
And then all of the players will play the game to stay at the positions of 1-10 to win prizes.

Lets say, there will be 24 players participating in a single game with a participation fee of BTC0.01050000

Total prize pool will be BTC0.24

Prize Distribution
1st   25%
2nd   20%
3rd   15%
4th   10%
5th   5%
6th   5%
7th   5%
8th   5%
9th   5%
10th   5%

So will you be interested to join the game?

Please make a vote and share your thoughts of every angle you may think to show your support.

Honestly I do not understood what game you mean,you must be put a game link site here or a video about the game.Your plan is good but I need to know first the game you mean and about escrow it must be there so your project goes well dude I will monitor this.

I already explained the reason why I don't want to disclose the game or link now. Please read previous posts.

[btc-facebook]

Of course I'm looking forward to play PVP based game. Actually I'm looking for the game like big 2.5 ( viwawa ) and with PVP match , my winnings depend on luck against player not house edge anymore.
Maybe the matter only how good are you want to advertise the game to attract people for defeat each other

[Malsetid]

Pvp is always better than playing in a casino where you're against the house. Though i'm.noy yet sire about this proposition though it's quote interesting. It most likely would depend on what we're betting on if i'm to join or not. Of course i'd like to see my chances first

[Juggy777]

Hi guys,
I was thinking to organize a betting game (player vs player) in a third party site.

The game will be like players will enter the game by paying x value (including my fee).
And then all of the players will play the game to stay at the positions of 1-10 to win prizes.

Lets say, there will be 24 players participating in a single game with a participation fee of BTC0.01050000

Total prize pool will be BTC0.24

Prize Distribution
1st   25%
2nd   20%
3rd   15%
4th   10%
5th   5%
6th   5%
7th   5%
8th   5%
9th   5%
10th   5%

So will you be interested to join the game?

Please make a vote and share your thoughts of every angle you may think to show your support.

First you say it's a PVP then you say it's a third party site, so why should we pay your fees, rather go on the site and register and play PVP or are you trying to say you're going to be acting like a escrow, then there is no information about the third party site, or what kind of games do you intend to make us play, and how are we sure that the winners shall be paid. There's just lots of information that needs to be filled out here, maybe if you could do that, then people may even consider it.

[ralle14]

First you say it's a PVP then you say it's a third party site, so why should we pay your fees, rather go on the site and register and play PVP or are you trying to say you're going to be acting like a escrow, then there is no information about the third party site, or what kind of games do you intend to make us play, and how are we sure that the winners shall be paid. There's just lots of information that needs to be filled out here, maybe if you could do that, then people may even consider it.

Seems like it, he wants to hold the funds since every participant will pay extra 5% for the fees.The prize distribution is good though having the prizes to be spread up to 10 players. OP doesn't even have enough trading experience to be entrusted with that kind of amount or to be even called an escrow. My vote is no.

[Bolt Brownie]

At this point, I should only say that it is a multiplayer game.

I will be the referee and I will monitor the game very closely to ensure that everything is fair.

It won't be like 100 games will be played daily. As it will be manual process, maximum of 1 game will be played daily with x amount of players.

You got my attention, because it looks like a different game for sure, but I really need more information to say if I would play this game or not.
You are describing a multiplayer game that has the need of a referee? That's quite strange, and I don't know any type of online multiplayer game that would use a referee, and I don't even know how you would do this.

I only see one problem here. If the game is good and you get a few people interested, holding just 1 game a day won't create a big waiting list to play the game? Or one game would support a big amount of players every day?

[Rinsend]

Pvp is always better than playing in a casino where you're against the house. Though i'm.noy yet sire about this proposition though it's quote interesting. It most likely would depend on what we're betting on if i'm to join or not. Of course i'd like to see my chances first

stupid, casinos can make money faster than anything.
although the risk of large losses could happen
but this is all real for our ability in the sail that can make money from the casino and this will be easier than anything,
the chances of getting great edits are very real reflected,
I just love the casino.
because this is my life that depends on the casino

[iv4n]

To be honest 10 mBTC is 60 dollars and that is a lot for something new, you need to lower buy in on 1 or 2 mBTC, or to 1 or 2 dollars and that sounds more attractive for testing something.
You say 24 players, I don't know for any game with so many players, that sounds like some tournament but the game is for 1 vs 1 and winner goes to next stage. I would like to hear more about the game.
I have trust issues but I would try game with some small buy in, lower buy in will attract more people and if its good we can player for higher stakes.

[bering]

PvP betting games looks interesting for me at least we will decrease the risk of cheat casinos and last time i was playing games PvP is poker game but if you have other game i would like to participate but indeed people right that to playing PvP game your site must have high of traffic and i think this is required