[Closed] Black Arrow's Avalon

[newmars]

seems overpriced! 

[blackarrow]

Is my understanding of your offer correct?

You are asking for bids for fully functional 65 GH/s Avalon clone with PSU ready to mine delivered by July 31 or we get our full BTC back. Is that correct? i.e. you guarantee the date?

Yes, 65GH/s with or without PSU, as you wish.

If we cannot deliver by 31st of July, we'll know earlier and return the money as soon as we know. At the moment we have a firm promise that we'll get the ASICs in hand at the beginning of July. Worst case scenario would be 15th of July.

[psjw4450]

Will you be accepting paypal?

[blackarrow]

Will you be accepting paypal?

No. We have had bad experience with PayPal few years ago and we promised ourselves not to use them anymore.

We accept bank transfer though. It's more reliable and cheaper.

[k9quaint]

Will you be accepting paypal?

No. We have had bad experience with PayPal few years ago and we promised ourselves not to use them anymore.

We accept bank transfer though. It's more reliable and cheaper.

But no recourse for refunds.

[TheSwede75]

Please sell at fixed price in USD without/with power supply. I would order ASAP if this was the deal. Auction format only works for in-hand units. Also why can't you sell under $7600? The chips @ BTC0.80 is only $2400, + maybe $500 for boards and misc hardware that gives you 70% profit margin at $7500-ish.

Drop it to $5k firm in USD and you would fill every order you can sell in a day! I guarantee it.

[Tehfiend]

Not interested at that price; not really even close to a break-even situation. n a Diff will be 40MM at delivery, and thats if you actually hit your timeline.  You need to consider margins far lower than the 100% your trying to get, especially o preorder.

Anyway; good luck, others might be interested.

Why is an Asicminer Blade with 13Ghash worth 50BTC and Avalon 65Ghash doesn't worth 99BTC?

Surprising that somebody planning to manufacture ASIC miners does not know the answer to this. Hint: A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

[fforforest]

I bid 77BTC

[PuertoLibre]

Anything above 20BTC is way overpriced.

Considering the difficulty crunch that is about to rear it's head on people. There won't be a reason to imitate Avalon previous price points for 65Gh/s.

If they can't sell it at well below 20 BTC then they are certain to be a future defunct company. Period.

KNC/BFL or whoever, it applies.

As difficulty increases companies WILL lower their prices or people (except the most foolhardy) simply won't pay it. There is no incentive to throw away money on an ASIC that will just barely eek out it's own cost.

[k9quaint]

Anything above 20BTC is way overpriced.

Considering the difficulty crunch that is about to rear it's head on people. There won't be a reason to imitate Avalon previous price points for 65Gh/s.

If they can't sell it at well below 20 BTC then they are certain to be a future defunct company. Period.

KNC/BFL or whoever, it applies.

As difficulty increases companies WILL lower their prices or people (except the most foolhardy) simply won't pay it. There is no incentive to throw away money on an ASIC that will just barely eek out it's own cost.

I think there will be a round of fools who will get fleeced. After that, prices will return to earth.

[pikeadz]

Not interested at that price; not really even close to a break-even situation. n a Diff will be 40MM at delivery, and thats if you actually hit your timeline.  You need to consider margins far lower than the 100% your trying to get, especially o preorder.

Anyway; good luck, others might be interested.

Why is an Asicminer Blade with 13Ghash worth 50BTC and Avalon 65Ghash doesn't worth 99BTC?

I can have a blade on my desk in three days.  If you can deliver Avalon clone in three days, I'm sure you'll find many people who would pay 99+ for it.

Blades are sold out.  You can't have one in 3 days anymore, unless you buy it secondhand from someone.  And then you are in no better a position than buying a used Avalon.

[chanberg]

Please sell at fixed price in USD without/with power supply. I would order ASAP if this was the deal. Auction format only works for in-hand units. Also why can't you sell under $7600? The chips @ BTC0.80 is only $2400, + maybe $500 for boards and misc hardware that gives you 70% profit margin at $7500-ish.

Drop it to $5k firm in USD and you would fill every order you can sell in a day! I guarantee it.

agreed...

[TheSwede75]

Please sell at fixed price in USD without/with power supply. I would order ASAP if this was the deal. Auction format only works for in-hand units. Also why can't you sell under $7600? The chips @ BTC0.80 is only $2400, + maybe $500 for boards and misc hardware that gives you 70% profit margin at $7500-ish.

Drop it to $5k firm in USD and you would fill every order you can sell in a day! I guarantee it.

agreed...

Just spreading the gospel of good sense.

[dan99]

Please sell at fixed price in USD without/with power supply. I would order ASAP if this was the deal. Auction format only works for in-hand units. Also why can't you sell under $7600? The chips @ BTC0.80 is only $2400, + maybe $500 for boards and misc hardware that gives you 70% profit margin at $7500-ish.

Drop it to $5k firm in USD and you would fill every order you can sell in a day! I guarantee it.

agreed...

Just spreading the gospel of good sense.

common sense prevail, but some wants to make a big profit, they are selling the shovels and they couldn't be bother about difficulty and what not .. really smart

[newmars]

Please sell at fixed price in USD without/with power supply. I would order ASAP if this was the deal. Auction format only works for in-hand units. Also why can't you sell under $7600? The chips @ BTC0.80 is only $2400, + maybe $500 for boards and misc hardware that gives you 70% profit margin at $7500-ish.

Drop it to $5k firm in USD and you would fill every order you can sell in a day! I guarantee it.

agreed...

Just spreading the gospel of good sense.

common sense prevail, but some wants to make a big profit, they are selling the shovels and they couldn't be bother about difficulty and what not .. really smart

Agree with this 

[Reckman]

wow bitcointalk took a shit on this thread,

blackarrow is just setting a price, get over it, if you dont like it move on

[k9quaint]

wow bitcointalk took a shit on this thread,

blackarrow is just setting a price, get over it, if you dont like it move on or comment on it

Since this is a forum for commenting on things.

[CoinHoarder]

wow bitcointalk took a shit on this thread,

blackarrow is just setting a price, get over it, if you dont like it move on or comment on it

Since this is a forum for commenting on things.

+1

I for one am not happy to have to overpay for ASIC hardware. The manufacturers are taking large markups making it to where all the hardware might not even break even. I say the same thing on ASICMINER threads, yet they do what they please. At least they know my opinion and why I'm not doing business with them. It is good as a retailer to know your market and what your potential customer base wants.

I was offering constructive criticism.

EDIT: .. and it seems he took it to heart and did lower his prices. Kudos to him, I may order one.

[PuertoLibre]

This is what an Avalon makes today. This is what it will make over the next year. Assuming you lose 15% of your profits every week.

Keep in mind, the next difficulty adjustment is A) Shorter than 1 week and B) is about 24%, not 15%.

So this is a rather rosy picture.



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ASIC companies, you either lower your absurd prices...or your customers will start initiating refunds after they see these charts.

Avalon/BFL/ASICMiner/KNC etc.

[psjw4450]

This is what an Avalon makes today. This is what it will make over the next year. Assuming you lose 15% of your profits every week.

Keep in mind, the next difficulty adjustment is A) Shorter than 1 week and B) is about 24%, not 15%.

So this is a rather rosy picture.



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ASIC companies, you either lower your absurd prices...or your customers will start initiating refunds after they see these charts.

Avalon/BFL/ASICMiner/KNC etc.

Nice, I think you created the longest post in history.  It is good that you post this to open some peoples eyes to what they are spending for asics.