Did I make the right decision?

[mpshop]

I am a super noob when it comes to blockchain technology. I often see people are investing in Tokens & ICOs. I have no idea what are tokens & ICOs. But, I do understand that they hold value in money. and if purchased ahead of time you can make a huge profit after many years same as bitcoin has does for millions. Recently, I stumble upon this ongoing pre-sale of tokens for UTRUST. I don't know much about the company but the tokens price was $0.0065/each. I invested in UTRUST and bought 1000 tokens. It cost me about $65.

Now my main question - Did I make the right decision by investing in UTRUST in terms of making profit?

Bunch of thanks in advance.

[eagleman]

First, you are not in the right section. Look at the left bottom of this thread and move the topic to Altcoin Discussion.
I never invested to UTRUST but I'm reading that there are people who has faith on this coin. I'm not an expert when it comes to these type of alt coins since I'm only bagholding those who are on the top of coinmarketcap.com when you see an opening that you've gain 5% - 10% that will be enough and just sell it immediately.

[hasmukh_rawal]

There are many ICOs coming these days in the market and which one among them is going to be a successful one is very hard to predict.
We can analyze their project and just hope it not to be a scam. If you have invested then I would suggest you not to wait for years since the value of it might dump anytime. When the tokens are available for sale, sell them off and get whatever profit you can. There are much better ICOs which are dumped in the beginning of their trading days. So getting whatever profit we can is the best thing we could do.

[BillCoin]

I think that UTRUST are in a deep hype and the ICO cap is too high to make a profit, but nothing is sure in crypto terms.

No one can tell you whether it is going to be traded for more or less then you paid for it at the presale, but as you invested only 65$, I don't think that it really matter .

I believe that it worth the lesson, as you are new in crypto, it could teach you few things in trading.

Usually at the very first days of trading it trades for an overpriced price, after that, no one could really help you to determine the price.

[zikabra]

There is not a single person who can answer your question. Investing in ICO's is always risky, in long term(if it's not scam) project has to be successful, so if that project become successful token price will go up.

On side note
I would change topic subject to "why is so easy to scam people"  :

I often see people are investing in Tokens & ICOs.

I have no idea what are tokens & ICOs.

I don't know much about the company

I invested in *add ICO name* and bought 1000 tokens.

[Kemarit]

I am a super noob when it comes to blockchain technology. I often see people are investing in Tokens & ICOs. I have no idea what are tokens & ICOs. But, I do understand that they hold value in money. and if purchased ahead of time you can make a huge profit after many years same as bitcoin has does for millions. Recently, I stumble upon this ongoing pre-sale of tokens for UTRUST. I don't know much about the company but the tokens price was $0.0065/each. I invested in UTRUST and bought 1000 tokens. It cost me about $65.

Now my main question - Did I make the right decision by investing in UTRUST in terms of making profit?

Bunch of thanks in advance.

I'm not a investor of UTrust by I have heard a lot of good news about this ICO and it looks like its really a good investment if you are going to ask me. However, like any investments there are risk involved so its really up to you how to mitigate that risk. Some get out really if they have already reached their exit goals. So just an advise, learn how to exit as well, because if you don't then there are chances that you might be get trap, in case the project goes down as well. Just continue to monitor your investment and used your common sense in making the decision to stay long or take profits early and go on the next coin to invest.

[iqlimasyadiqa]

There are many ICOs coming these days in the market and which one among them is going to be a successful one is very hard to predict.
We can analyze their project and just hope it not to be a scam. If you have invested then I would suggest you not to wait for years since the value of it might dump anytime. When the tokens are available for sale, sell them off and get whatever profit you can. There are much better ICOs which are dumped in the beginning of their trading days. So getting whatever profit we can is the best thing we could do.

ICO will be very difficult to predict because nowadays there are so many ICOs emerging, many ICOs are just indulging in the absence of a reality. If you want to note then my first step is to see the team developer who will do the project. If the team is filled by users who have a good reputation level then I will try and not worry. while when Tam a Project looks less good and not convincing then I will try to find out again which project is good and not. the analysis we use is very important because it will determine how our investment will move and make profits.

[harizen]

I am a super noob when it comes to blockchain technology. I often see people are investing in Tokens & ICOs. I have no idea what are tokens & ICOs. But, I do understand that they hold value in money. and if purchased ahead of time you can make a huge profit after many years same as bitcoin has does for millions. Recently, I stumble upon this ongoing pre-sale of tokens for UTRUST. I don't know much about the company but the tokens price was $0.0065/each. I invested in UTRUST and bought 1000 tokens. It cost me about $65.

Now my main question - Did I make the right decision by investing in UTRUST in terms of making profit?

Bunch of thanks in advance.

Once you invested on ICO, don't just expect that you will make profit in the long run. Accept also that it may turned as loss as no one knows what's the future for this no matter how good and well active the development is. Tokens hyped because of investment purposes not because of the technology or benefits does that token can bring.

Now to your question if it's right decision that you invested on a certain project ICO, you will just know the answer once you make profit. So take closely with the market once it was listed on exchanges.

[john2231]

I am a super noob when it comes to blockchain technology. I often see people are investing in Tokens & ICOs. I have no idea what are tokens & ICOs. But, I do understand that they hold value in money. and if purchased ahead of time you can make a huge profit after many years same as bitcoin has does for millions. Recently, I stumble upon this ongoing pre-sale of tokens for UTRUST. I don't know much about the company but the tokens price was $0.0065/each. I invested in UTRUST and bought 1000 tokens. It cost me about $65.

Now my main question - Did I make the right decision by investing in UTRUST in terms of making profit?

Bunch of thanks in advance.

Once you invested on ICO, don't just expect that you will make profit in the long run. Accept also that it may turned as loss as no one knows what's the future for this no matter how good and well active the development is. Tokens hyped because of investment purposes not because of the technology or benefits does that token can bring.

Now to your question if it's right decision that you invested on a certain project ICO, you will just know the answer once you make profit. So take closely with the market once it was listed on exchanges.

Most of ICO's are not listed in the market until now that i think they are just selling the token but they don't have plan to release in exchanges or listed in coinmarketcap. most of them are scam..
Only few ICO's are real and supported by developers .. So it will hard to invest in ICO's  you will just  invest for nothing .
if you really wanted to make a good profit with your money buying bitcoin is the best choice and for alternative buy bitcoins that already in good rankings because there is potencial gains you  get and the movement of the price is active than the other altcoin..

[LTU_btc]

Well, I rarely invest in ICO's, but this time I decided to try to do it. I see big hype around UTRUST ICO. I'm amazed, how fast they are selling UTRSUT tokens, half of it already sold. I invested relatively small amount of money, because I never invest in ICO's more than I afford to loose.
Now talking about you - I think you made wrong decision by investing in this ICO. No, it's not worst ICO that can be found, but - you said that you don't have idea what are tokens and ICO's, you don't know much about company. You invested only because you saw many other people investing. Before investing, you have to do research about project and use your brains before making decision - invest or not. And always you need to have critical thinking and not have purple dreams to make miloions from investment.

[gabbie2010]

Investing in ICOs is not an easy decision because there are so many of them. You ought have make researches and findings about UTRUST before investing, I have read through their white paper I believe they have something to offer, there project is highly needed in cryptocurrencies I hope your investment will be successful before and after their ICO sales.

[dunfida]

I am a super noob when it comes to blockchain technology. I often see people are investing in Tokens & ICOs. I have no idea what are tokens & ICOs. But, I do understand that they hold value in money. and if purchased ahead of time you can make a huge profit after many years same as bitcoin has does for millions. Recently, I stumble upon this ongoing pre-sale of tokens for UTRUST. I don't know much about the company but the tokens price was $0.0065/each. I invested in UTRUST and bought 1000 tokens. It cost me about $65.

Now my main question - Did I make the right decision by investing in UTRUST in terms of making profit?

Bunch of thanks in advance.

If you do ask on what is ICO then going back in the past it is indeed a good way on making profits since you can able to purchase coins on discounted prices and when it launch on exchanges and the price did initially start on its casual ICO price not the presale or discounted ones then it is indeed a profit for those who did invest but now on ICO these days do already work on other way around which turns out not to be profitable already because most of them do start up on  directly on discounted prices or lower even more.This is only based on my observation too.

[tabas]

You did the right thing of investing it, I'm not going to judge the ICO you joined. But if I were you, I'll take a ticket to buy and ride on the bullet train of bitcoin.

[entrepmind23]

I am a super noob when it comes to blockchain technology. I often see people are investing in Tokens & ICOs. I have no idea what are tokens & ICOs. But, I do understand that they hold value in money. and if purchased ahead of time you can make a huge profit after many years same as bitcoin has does for millions. Recently, I stumble upon this ongoing pre-sale of tokens for UTRUST. I don't know much about the company but the tokens price was $0.0065/each. I invested in UTRUST and bought 1000 tokens. It cost me about $65.

Now my main question - Did I make the right decision by investing in UTRUST in terms of making profit?

Bunch of thanks in advance.

Maybe or maybe not. You will only know if you made the right decision when the coin is already trading and more people bought the coin for its price to go up. Upon hitting exchanges, it will be pump and dump and then price will stabilize after that and that's the time if your investment to the project will materialize. You didn't invest a significant amount so it would be a learning period then if ever price go south but if it really has an active developer and project is active and follows the roadmap then it would be good for you. Latest news of it is that it will be traded in Kucoin. It may not be one of the major exchange but it is a start.

[cpfreeplz]

Lol no one here is going to know the answer. No one can predict the future. If it turns out to be a scam ICO with no tech then you're screwed and if it turns out it actually has some sort of intrinsic value once their product is actually up and running then you can make bank. It's a crap shoot. Keep your investments small and never expect returns like from investing in bitcoin in 2010. There are 1000s of options now, whereas back then there was 1 and no one knew about it. It's not the same ecosystem at all. We're talking about a book club vs. a small country. Not even remotely the same idea.

[h0lybyte]

I am a super noob when it comes to blockchain technology. I often see people are investing in Tokens & ICOs. I have no idea what are tokens & ICOs. But, I do understand that they hold value in money. and if purchased ahead of time you can make a huge profit after many years same as bitcoin has does for millions. Recently, I stumble upon this ongoing pre-sale of tokens for UTRUST. I don't know much about the company but the tokens price was $0.0065/each. I invested in UTRUST and bought 1000 tokens. It cost me about $65.

Now my main question - Did I make the right decision by investing in UTRUST in terms of making profit?

Bunch of thanks in advance.

I do not often invest in ICOs as my regular investments goes in bitcoin and altcoins.
No one can properly speculate on your decision of investing in ICO because every token is not successful asset.
I have noticed tokens mostlyy get decreased in value when it comes to listing of token on exchanges.

[Victorycoin]

You did the right thing of investing it, I'm not going to judge the ICO you joined. But if I were you, I'll take a ticket to buy and ride on the bullet train of bitcoin.

What precisely is right with: having no ideas what tokens & ICOs are and not knowing much about the company behind the ICO, yet going along to buy 1000 tokens? When your style is to leap before you start to look, you would be extremely lucky not to break your limbs sooner than later. Only respite I see in the entire scheme, is that the cost of the tokens, $65 is something he could afford to lose!

[jossiel]

You did the right thing of investing it, I'm not going to judge the ICO you joined. But if I were you, I'll take a ticket to buy and ride on the bullet train of bitcoin.

What precisely is right with: having no ideas what tokens & ICOs are and not knowing much about the company behind the ICO, yet going along to buy 1000 tokens? When your style is to leap before you start to look, you would be extremely lucky not to break your limbs sooner than later. Only respite I see in the entire scheme, is that the cost of the tokens, $65 is something he could afford to lose!

I'm on it, nothing wrong with his decision of investing his money but probably he did chose it on a quite sloppy investment.

More or less, he has to wait for sometime before getting the return on it as most of the ICOs after helding it, they will be dumped and if you are on a vacation by that moment that's not worth of an investment.

If that hype will takes time for a month or two, it's good for you but I doubt it that hype will going through all of that time.

[Slow death]

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Before investing in any ICO first do some research on ICO in your case for example, see this:

We are not an open source company and never intended to be one. We are also not listed on GitHub (not sure who's profile that is, but it isn't ours).

Right. You do realize that this profile, which is not yours, lists two users.

https://github.com/orgs/utrustdev/people

* Fernando Mendes https://github.com/fribmendes
* Miguel Palhas https://github.com/naps62

So I assume these two profiles must also be fake and not really yours then? Since both are members of your team... https://utrust.io/team

We are also not using a smart contract to collect funds because that isn't possible when you also want to accept Bitcoin (which we do). Smart contracts are only used in projects that only accept Ethereum as a contribution and automatically send tokens back. For several reasons (Bitcoin, KYC, ...) that is impossible to achieve right now.

You preferred the option to accept Bitcoin over the transparency achieved through a smart contract? Curious.

Thanks for stopping by though. Do you mind sharing some more input about some other aspects?

* Why is nobody of the team, including the CEO, a director of utrust?
* Why did you choose a debt collector to do the kyc process?
* Why did you change the terms between the ICO and the pre-ICO, and what can people who participated in the pre-ICO do to access their tokens without agreeing on the new terms?

Thanks in advance.

We are not an open source company and never intended to be one. We are also not listed on GitHub (not sure who's profile that is, but it isn't ours). We are also not using a smart contract to collect funds because that isn't possible when you also want to accept Bitcoin (which we do). Smart contracts are only used in projects that only accept Ethereum as a contribution and automatically send tokens back. For several reasons (Bitcoin, KYC, ...) that is impossible to achieve right now.

Hope this helps!

Pretty sure that is Utrust's repository though. Maybe not officially, but it is subscribed to by Fernando Mendes and Miguel Palhas.



https://github.com/fribmendes
https://github.com/naps62

We are not an open source company and never intended to be one. We are also not listed on GitHub (not sure who's profile that is, but it isn't ours).

Right. You do realize that this profile, which is not yours, lists two users.

https://github.com/orgs/utrustdev/people

* Fernando Mendes https://github.com/fribmendes
* Miguel Palhas https://github.com/naps62

So I assume these two profiles must also be fake and not really yours then? Since both are members of your team... https://utrust.io/team

You do realise that our company has 15 engineers, not two, and if two of them signed up for something it doesn't mean this is the company profile we're using. Plus, even if we were using GitHub, the repositories would be private and not open to the public. You don't go to GitHub to lookup the source code of Windows either!

We are also not using a smart contract to collect funds because that isn't possible when you also want to accept Bitcoin (which we do). Smart contracts are only used in projects that only accept Ethereum as a contribution and automatically send tokens back. For several reasons (Bitcoin, KYC, ...) that is impossible to achieve right now.

You preferred the option to accept Bitcoin over the transparency achieved through a smart contract? Curious.

Thanks for stopping by though. Do you mind sharing some more input about some other aspects?

* Why is nobody of the team, including the CEO, a director of utrust?
* Why did you choose a debt collector to do the kyc process?
* Why did you change the terms between the ICO and the pre-ICO, and what can people who participated in the pre-ICO access their tokens without agreeing on the new terms?

Thanks in advance.

Your questions are very quickly answered.

• Simple: You need a permanent resident living in Switzerland to open the company type we chose. Just because there is only one director now, doesn't mean there is only ever going to be one. Our legal, financial arms and place of incorporation are in Switzerland (UTRUST Switzerland AG). Our operational branch (Engineering/UX/...) is in Portugal. More directors will be added in due time.
• First of all, they are not a dept-collecting company. They're a group that offer a variety of services, including debt collecting in some countries and compliance that we are contracting. There are very few KYC companies in the world that are FINMA approved, they are one of them.
• We are allowed to change the terms within certain boundaries at any given time, just like every other company in the world. Particularly when it comes to changing regulation, which in our case required us to enforce KYC on all participants, including pre-ICO ones. Naturally, this is not something we want to do as it costs money and is a hurdle/hassle for everybody. However, since we are a fully compliant ICO, we comply to the current law and regulations, and will continue to do so.

Rest assured that we are actively looking into adding more countries (as we announced in our last email) and will also continue to do so.

Hope this helps!

You do realise that our company has 15 engineers, not two, and if two of them signed up for something it doesn't mean this is the company profile we're using. Plus, even if we were using GitHub, the repositories would be private and not open to the public. You don't go to GitHub to lookup the source code of Windows either!

My apology, but you said that this Github profile was not yours. If one or even two employees of your company create a profile with your company's name, then it stands to reason to assume that this is your profile. Curious to see the new list of your engineers... seems you have expanded, because on your team page I only count 8 engineers.

• Simple: You need a permanent resident living in Switzerland to open the company type we chose. Just because there is only one director now, doesn't mean there is only ever going to be one. Our legal, financial arms and place of incorporation are in Switzerland (UTRUST Switzerland AG). Our operational branch (Engineering/UX/...) is in Portugal. More directors will be added in due time.

That doesn't make any sense (I live in Switzerland and I know a bit about how to form a company). Yes, you may choose one trustee or person who is a Swiss resident (yes, even one with a questonable background), but that doesn't explain why nobody of the actual team has been named a director. Why only in "due time"? There is no process involved in adding a director when the company is formed.

• First of all, they are not a dept-collecting company. They're a group that offer a variety of services, including debt collecting in some countries and compliance that we are contracting. There are very few KYC companies in the world that are FINMA approved, they are one of them.

Yes, of course they are a debt-collecting company. You can pretty-talk them as much as you want, but anyone in Switzerland knows (either from first-hand experience or from the frequent news coverage) who Intrum Justita is. They may have recently added KYC service, because they licensed IDnow eSign, but they are certainly not the only one offering that service - and it's not Instrum Justita who is FINMA approved, as you say, but it is the IDnow eSign service (https://www.idnow.de/) if at all.

• We are allowed to change the terms within certain boundaries at any given time, just like every other company in the world. Particularly when it comes to changing regulation, which in our case required us to enforce KYC on all participants, including pre-ICO ones. Naturally, this is not something we want to do as it costs money and is a hurdle/hassle for everybody. However, since we are a fully compliant ICO, we comply to the current law and regulations, and will continue to do so.

Again, what you are saying is untrue. You say yourself, within certain boundaries, but nothing about your changes is within boundaries. These are two completely different terms. In this case, just like every other company, as you say, you would have had to at least offer any pre-ICO token owner the option to return the tokens. For example, you say now that I must not be a politically exposed person (PEP). But what if I am? I cannot agree to your new terms then or I would have to lie. But I do have tokens from the pre-ICO, where you made no such conditions. And I most certainly don't want my personal information to be shared with Instrum Justita - under no circumstance. The terms are so fundamentally different that it makes my head ache and I seriously question whether you're as transparent and professional as you like us to believe. Don't believe me? Compare them yourself:

• Before https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/utrust/UTRUST-terms-of-use.pdf
• Now https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/utrust/toc-participants/en/UTRUST-toc-participants-en-2017-11-02.pdf (interesting how you call the new terms V.01 - what version was the previous terms then? V.00?)

Developers of UTRUST want to deceive everyone! Demand your money back.

This is a shady project like so many ICOs that have here in the forum, in the next few times be very careful with people who say: "this is a serious project, I will invest", these people do not do any research on ICO just stay encourage others to invest in the ICO scam

[terrific]

This is a shady project like so many ICOs that have here in the forum, in the next few times be very careful with people who say: "this is a serious project, I will invest", these people do not do any research on ICO just stay encourage others to invest in the ICO scam

Haha you're definitely right and I will second the motion to what you said. People who are investing with these such ICOs will give others a chill with their words like that. All of the ICOs now aren't really worth to project something that's good in the near future but if mpshop was worried about his profit he can have an exit later on with it. One question for you mpshop, how come that you invested $65 on UTRUST without knowing a thing about them, you should be consulting others before investing or doing your own assignment before putting your money in such projects.