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June 28, 2011, 07:21:50 AM
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There is a small island with five people. A fisher-men, water collector, coconut collector, trash processor and someone in-charge of building and maintaining shelter. Another person comes along, he has no skills to offer to the community. The other members of the community offer to teach them how to fish. The newcomer refuses. Should the community forcibly teach the newcomer to fish?
Assume they have the means to force teaching.
Assume this is a "good person" and they will fish for the community once they are taught.
[Edit] Assume the person will die if he does not fish.
My personal preference is yes they should be taught.
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June 28, 2011, 07:37:15 AM |
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No. The newcomer should act at his own peril. If he suffers or dies because of his negligence, that was his choice. I believe the newcomer owns himself. It might be beneficial to teach the newcomer how to mow your lawn and shave your back but it does not mean he is obligated to take on your offer.
If he wants to go on the island and just scavenge seashells, nobody should stop him.
WHAT YOU WANT IS A SLAVE TO FISH FOR YOU.
IF YOU WANT FISH, FISH FOR YOUR OWN DAMN SELF, PARASITE.
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smellyBobby (OP)
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June 28, 2011, 07:49:30 AM |
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Feeling angry??
(Compassion Hug)
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The Script
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June 28, 2011, 08:00:52 AM |
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There is a small island with five people. A fisher-men, water collector, coconut collector, trash processor and someone in-charge of building and maintaining shelter. Another person comes along, he has no skills to offer to the community. The other members of the community offer to teach them how to fish. The newcomer refuses. Should the community forcibly teach the newcomer to fish?
Assume they have the means to force teaching.
Assume this is a "good person" and they will fish for the community once they are taught.
[Edit] Assume the person will die if he does not fish.
My personal preference is yes they should be taught.
They should use all their powers of persuasion, bribery, logic and emotional appeals to convince the person to learn how to fish. If this fails, they should do nothing. Atlas is right: people own their own bodies. |
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smellyBobby (OP)
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June 28, 2011, 08:04:04 AM |
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And this person was your child? Where do you draw the line? Just choose some arbitrary point like 18 or 21?
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The Script
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June 28, 2011, 08:49:47 AM |
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And this person was your child? Where do you draw the line? Just choose some arbitrary point like 18 or 21?
A valid point. Arbitrary ages are all the current system uses anyway. I imagine that the age of independence would vary from family to family and community to community. There are no hard and fast rules. |
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June 28, 2011, 08:58:01 AM |
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And this person was your child? Where do you draw the line? Just choose some arbitrary point like 18 or 21?
A valid point. Arbitrary ages are all the current system uses anyway. I imagine that the age of independence would vary from family to family and community to community. There are no hard and fast rules. For such situations, I'd say no better way to define the age of independence than independence itself. You want to be in full control of your life? Ok, go and do it. Oh, you want me to keep sheltering you, feeding you, and buying you video-games? So you're not independent yet, go finish your homework.  |
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smellyBobby (OP)
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June 28, 2011, 09:14:32 AM |
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Now the island will become submerged because of global warming. The 5 people have become close-knit and they feel like family. A boat with the capacity to carry 5 people comes along. If they get on the boat they will be saved. One does not, should they be made to go on the boat?
[Edit]They are all healthy, physically and mentally.
[Edit] IMO yes, they should.
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June 28, 2011, 09:19:37 AM |
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No smellyBobby, people have the right to suicide if that's what they wish, is it so hard to understand?
I would understand if friends use force to prevent another friend to kill himself, depending on the situation I might do it myself. But that's ethically wrong. In your example it's a form of kidnapping if you will.
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smellyBobby (OP)
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June 28, 2011, 09:23:50 AM |
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Kidnapping? They are only being made to go on the boat, once they resettle on a new island they can do whatever they want.
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June 28, 2011, 09:29:13 AM |
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There is a small island with five people. A fisher-men, water collector, coconut collector, trash processor and someone in-charge of building and maintaining shelter. Another person comes along, he has no skills to offer to the community. The other members of the community offer to teach them how to fish. The newcomer refuses. Should the community forcibly teach the newcomer to fish?
Assume they have the means to force teaching.
Assume this is a "good person" and they will fish for the community once they are taught.
[Edit] Assume the person will die if he does not fish.
My personal preference is yes they should be taught.
No offense, but you're stupid. A person refuses to learn how to fish but doesn't refuse to fish if taught? You consider these reasonable assumptions? Would such a person refuse to learn if the alternative was starving to death? The question is relevant because that would be the choice he would have on AnCap Island. Either that or find some other way to make a living. |
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The Script
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June 28, 2011, 09:35:44 AM |
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And this person was your child? Where do you draw the line? Just choose some arbitrary point like 18 or 21?
A valid point. Arbitrary ages are all the current system uses anyway. I imagine that the age of independence would vary from family to family and community to community. There are no hard and fast rules. For such situations, I'd say no better way to define the age of independence than independence itself. You want to be in full control of your life? Ok, go and do it. Oh, you want me to keep sheltering you, feeding you, and buying you video-games? So you're not independent yet, go finish your homework. Yes, I completely agree. |
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saqwe
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June 28, 2011, 10:28:28 AM |
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What if hes vegan or freegan  |
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June 28, 2011, 12:49:34 PM |
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Kidnapping? They are only being made to go on the boat
You seem to sympathize with kinds of force and dictatorship. |
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June 28, 2011, 01:18:42 PM |
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I think people should have the right to suicide, refuse to work and starve, or even go into voluntary slavery.
So if the guy refuse to learn to fish, let him be.
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June 28, 2011, 01:40:09 PM |
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You could be a heavy capitalist and still think 'yes'. Since one of the arguments against forced production is that it doesn't scale, i.e. that it works in families and small tribes, but doesn't work well when co-coordinating millions of people.
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J180
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June 28, 2011, 01:42:20 PM |
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No offense, but you're stupid.
I'm afraid your tone still came off as offensive anyway. 'This idea is stupid' would of worked better. |
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June 28, 2011, 01:43:05 PM |
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Should the community forcibly teach the newcomer to fish?
No, let him or her die. |
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June 28, 2011, 03:17:00 PM |
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No offense, but you're stupid. A person refuses to learn how to fish but doesn't refuse to fish if taught? You consider these reasonable assumptions?
A collectivist shows up one day on the island. The community offers to teach him basic logic, but he refuses. Should the community forcibly educate him? |
Civil Liberty Through Complex Mathematics
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June 28, 2011, 03:22:38 PM |
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No offense, but you're stupid. A person refuses to learn how to fish but doesn't refuse to fish if taught? You consider these reasonable assumptions?
A collectivist shows up one day on the island. The community offers to teach him basic logic, but he refuses. Should the community forcibly educate him? They should forcibly kick his ass if he feels he is has a birthright to anything other than what he brought or can produce. |
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