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June 17, 2013, 11:27:19 PM |
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I couldn't find screenshots to compare to but I have two abd their voltage are very different! Chips aren't supposed to vary this widely. http://imgur.com/uRVktSd |
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June 18, 2013, 12:16:19 AM |
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I couldn't find screenshots to compare to but I have two abd their voltage are very different! Chips aren't supposed to vary this widely. http://imgur.com/uRVktSdGuess they are not supposed to, but then again it may be chips with two slightly different designs. AFAIK there are fairly large quality-differences in the chips, the jalapenos might even have been individually tuned to deliver around 5 Gh/s. Could be fun to see if you get different hashrates with/without the box and flipping the fan (apparently they suck the air up, whereas some says it's better to have the fan blow down at the heatsink.) Testing different heatsinks might also be fun. |
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June 18, 2013, 12:23:14 AM |
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Thanks. I guess I have to wait for more people to post pictures. Man imagine an Intel varying like that. I don't expect quality but I don't expect some to fail very quickly.
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June 18, 2013, 01:00:08 AM |
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Thanks. I guess I have to wait for more people to post pictures. Man imagine an Intel varying like that. I don't expect quality but I don't expect some to fail very quickly.
If you check in the hardware-section, you will see that GPU's also vary in delivered speed, not only between different models, but exact same cards with several % variance. Not sure how it's done now, but in the olden days Intel tested each CPU, and branded them according to stable running speed. Hence overclocking got started. Actually moderate overclocking is about "using up" the safety-margin that is normally built into chips. When HP was known for excellent and stable computers, they would frequently underclock models, and sell say 25Mhz computers with 33Mhz CPU's. Doubt they do that today.  |
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June 18, 2013, 01:01:51 AM |
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True the speed changes but a 25% difference in vrm voltage is insane when a chip needs that dead stable.
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June 18, 2013, 02:38:40 AM |
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Something is way way way way way wrong there.
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June 18, 2013, 02:54:14 AM |
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I couldn't find screenshots to compare to but I have two abd their voltage are very different! Chips aren't supposed to vary this widely. What about time series on the two chips themselves? Variation between different revs (subject to any requirements elsewhere in the circuit) is not necessarily a problem. It's pretty clear that BFL has put some significant redesign B,S,&T into the Jally, no? |
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June 18, 2013, 02:55:52 AM |
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I looked at the info from BFL and the chips themselves only use 1V, so I'm not sure what that's reading.
Edit: Just looked at the schematics again and the 3.3V power is for the AVR etc, and I think it's just created with a voltage divider, so I wouldn't expect much power regulation from the wall warts. The 1V chip power comes from a regulator, so that should be good. I'm not sure why they didn't use a 3.3V regulator for the other ICs.
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June 18, 2013, 03:00:39 AM |
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I looked at the info from BFL and the chips themselves only use 1V, so I'm not sure what that's reading.
Good catch. I was actually wondering from what point in the circuit that reported voltage was being read. |
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June 18, 2013, 03:05:47 AM |
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I switched power supplies around and same result. Vrm inside shouldn't vary this much. Imagine what the chip is getting if the vrms are this bad.
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June 18, 2013, 03:09:41 AM |
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I'm wondering what that voltage is also. Mine is in the 3.8v range in cgminer. It's not any of the voltage rails because I measured them all with a multimeter and they were pretty much spot on.
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June 18, 2013, 03:10:45 AM |
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Where's Sherlock
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June 18, 2013, 03:15:36 AM |
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When HP was known for excellent and stable computers, they would frequently underclock models, and sell say 25Mhz computers with 33Mhz CPU's. Doubt they do that today. You probably also remember that, in the days before functional graphics IDE's, vendors provided apps using underclocking and nop's to get things slow enough that you could watch what was happening, even in the days when the answer to that was "not very much." EDIT: Actually, I think that machine in bitpop's avatar might have one of them apps. |
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June 18, 2013, 03:18:00 AM |
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Yes I use this app on my vintage computer
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June 18, 2013, 03:22:42 AM |
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Yes I use this app on my vintage computer
Yeah, but that CRT isn't CGA, is it? It looks like text-only to me. |
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June 18, 2013, 03:36:35 AM |
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No you can see MySpace if you look closely. I just upgraded to ega.
Help! I cut my finger and broke the fan. What size is the fan? !
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June 18, 2013, 04:00:06 AM |
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Looking at the source code, the MCU reads three different voltages: 3.3v, 1v, and PWR_MAIN (12v). The 3.3v is being fed to the MCU through a voltage divider (/2) and also with the 12v (except with a /10 divider). I wonder which of these voltages is cgminer trying to report.
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June 18, 2013, 04:05:11 AM |
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June 18, 2013, 04:54:46 AM |
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No you can see MySpace if you look closely. I just upgraded to ega.
Help! I cut my finger and broke the fan. What size is the fan? !
80, 92 or 120mm. Just measure across one dimension, external edge to edge. |
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June 18, 2013, 04:57:24 AM |
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Man who came up with 92
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