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November 10, 2017, 02:28:35 AM
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I have been on the bitcoin forum for almost 4 months now. Much of the initial 2 months were spent in reading through the posts and I reached the Jr. Member level. The incentive to level-up fast is pretty good because of the Signature & Bounty campaigns. Due to this we have all seen the kind of spam activity that many members use to level up their accounts fast.

I too have an incentive to do that because not all of us were lucky enough to get into BTC in the early days. I have bought some BTC but these campaigns are one of the ways for those on a learning cycle to benefit. It becomes difficult to comment on any topics because almost all the posts already have like 800 posts. I am looking to ask the experienced members that how to avoid spam activity and what are the benefits of slow organic growth rather than the viral one?

1. I see a topic with 100 pages of posts. I know i want to say something about it but it feels like almost everything relevant is said and done in the first few pages itself. Cheesy. One of the posting guidelines says that if you've nothing new to add then don't. What to do in such a case? Refrain or go for expressing your thought?

2. I know Signature campaigns are kindda frowned upon by some of the experienced members for the flurry of "Hey, joined" "Great Luck", "Jingle Bells" kind of posts on them. But some people do want to keep it better and not everyone in Sig campaigns support that. What are your honest thoughts on that? How strong is the prejudice?

3. Do the mods think that these groups will self-moderate or their is a need to enforce certain guidelines? Or is it still just early days of adoption to do this?

Lastly, I just wanted to say that the scholarship and idealism of the early days has slightly drowned out in the din but the work the early adopters have done is huge and I am sure it will sustain itself. Maybe force more of us to raise our standards.
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November 10, 2017, 03:10:09 AM
Last edit: November 10, 2017, 10:56:03 AM by mprep
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1. Really depends on the topic. For certain subjects, you can express a similar or identical opinion, but add in terms of arguments, examples, evidence, different way of looking at things, etc. In general, the forum relies on the principle of "freedom of constructive speech".

2. This is probably one of the biggest forum's issues nowadays so it's understandable that people are pissed. The people that are against it hate it - be it for "selling out" for a few bucks, littering the forum with bright and annoying ads or degrading the forum's general quality with thousands of zero value, quite often incoherent posts. I stand somewhere in the middle - I know it's a viable way of earning Bitcoin, especially for those without any easily digitally monetisable skills, but I thoroughly despise all the spammers that use this to flood the forum with their garbage non-content.

3. In case you haven't noticed, the rules are listed in one of the stickied threads in this board. The issue is with the number of spammers. While we could hire 10 - 20 full-time moderators (increasing the forum's expenses exponentially) and try to crack down on all the people spamming, several existing moderators proposed policy changes that would quite effectively cut off these spammers. We tried bringing up the idea to theymos, yet we haven't received any response for quite some time.

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November 10, 2017, 03:31:26 AM
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One of the tests I use for ICOs is to see who posted it and what they did to get their member status.  For instance, it looks like you joined in August and decided to start with useless responses on the Blocklancer ICO.  It's nice to be able to see their history if you want to vet their responses.
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One of the tests I use for ICOs is to see who posted it and what they did to get their member status.  For instance, it looks like you joined in August and decided to start with useless responses on the Blocklancer ICO.  It's nice to be able to see their history if you want to vet their responses.

That is a pretty good test actually..I'll start doing that too..
In my defense, I got to know about bitcointalk.org thanks to clicking on the blocklancer ICO link somewhere. They wanted you to post on BCT some code to tell them that you are in..Invested my first few ETH in that.
Have that to thank them for getting me onto bitcointalk if nothing else really..

1. Really depends on the topic. For certain subjects, you can express a similar or identical opinion, but add in terms of arguments, examples, evidence, different way of looking at things, etc. In general, the forum relies on the principle of "freedom of constructive speech".

Examples and Evidence sounds useful. That way one can get to explore more about a topic that looks interesting but has been debated to death..Thank you!

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November 10, 2017, 02:25:06 PM
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1. When I see topic with 100 pages, I just skip it, I don't read what is written here and I don't post here, because I'm sure that I can't add something new to this thread. Avoid long topics in Bitcoin Discussion, Gambling, Trading discussion and Altcoin speculation boards. But I don't see nothing wrong to post in a big threads in Service Discussion/Announcements boards, because it's always possible to add something to discussion - talk about recent news of service/project, share issues or just help to others who have questions.
2. I will skip this point, becauseI can't say anything better than mprep said. Dor me it's annoying to see when long, good quality, informative posts sinks between tons of zero value posts.
3. There was released guidelines for signature campaigns, but not all campaigns are following it. And various suggestions was offered in recent years to reduce spam, but almost no actions were made to implement it.

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November 10, 2017, 02:35:59 PM
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One of the tests I use for ICOs is to see who posted it and what they did to get their member status.  For instance, it looks like you joined in August and decided to start with useless responses on the Blocklancer ICO.  It's nice to be able to see their history if you want to vet their responses.

That is a pretty good test actually..I'll start doing that too..
In my defense, I got to know about bitcointalk.org thanks to clicking on the blocklancer ICO link somewhere. They wanted you to post on BCT some code to tell them that you are in..Invested my first few ETH in that.
Have that to thank them for getting me onto bitcointalk if nothing else really..


Hah, well, you're not posting an ICO yet, so I was more trolling than really critiquing your starts Smiley

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November 10, 2017, 04:19:56 PM
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The main benefit if you are interested in signature campaigns is that the highest paying campaigns look for quality posters, so, if you have been spamming, you are not going to be accepted there.

1. Really depends on the topic. For certain subjects, you can express a similar or identical opinion, but add in terms of arguments, examples, evidence, different way of looking at things, etc. In general, the forum relies on the principle of "freedom of constructive speech".

2. This is probably one of the biggest forum's issues nowadays so it's understandable that people are pissed. The people that are against it hate it - be it for "selling out" for a few bucks, littering the forum with bright and annoying ads or degrading the forum's general quality with thousands of zero value, quite often incoherent posts. I stand somewhere in the middle - I know it's a viable way of earning Bitcoin, especially for those without any easily digitally monetisable skills, but I thoroughly despise all the spammers that use this to flood the forum with their garbage non-content.

3. In case you haven't noticed, the rules are listed in one of the stickied threads in this board. The issue is with the number of spammers. While we could hire 10 - 20 full-time moderators (increasing the forum's expenses exponentially) and try to crack down on all the people spamming, several existing moderators proposed policy changes that would quite effectively cut off these spammers. We tried bringing up the idea to theymos, yet we haven't received any response for quite some time.

I also stand in the middle, as I don’t think almost 100% of Bitcoin Discussion and Gambling sections should be deleted, as some people defend. I was a member in other forums before and was writing without getting paid, so I find it quite interesting that I can get paid here while I do an activity I enjoy.
 
Glad to hear about those proposals for reducing spam. Will those changes be announced in a thread if Theymos accepts them?

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November 10, 2017, 05:16:12 PM
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I'm one of the ones who has reduced posting and the reading of threads because of the sig spammers. The same tired old threads keep being bumped on the discussion board, and rubbish posts push the possibly interesting topics into the rubbish bin.

Who cares about banks versus Bitcoin - let ban that topic for a start. Perhaps we should have a separate board about Bitcoin price speculation. We don't know if it will be £10,000,000 or £10 next year, so lets just wait and see, or put all the threads into a spammers forum.

As a general rule, I don't continue to read threads once they have gone beyond 50 replies - note to sig programme managers. The spam threads after that point must be pretty useless, so why bother to pay for them.

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November 10, 2017, 05:17:35 PM
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I have been on the bitcoin forum for almost 4 months now. Much of the initial 2 months were spent in reading through the posts and I reached the Jr. Member level. The incentive to level-up fast is pretty good because of the Signature & Bounty campaigns. Due to this we have all seen the kind of spam activity that many members use to level up their accounts fast.

I too have an incentive to do that because not all of us were lucky enough to get into BTC in the early days. I have bought some BTC but these campaigns are one of the ways for those on a learning cycle to benefit. It becomes difficult to comment on any topics because almost all the posts already have like 800 posts. I am looking to ask the experienced members that how to avoid spam activity and what are the benefits of slow organic growth rather than the viral one?

1. I see a topic with 100 pages of posts. I know i want to say something about it but it feels like almost everything relevant is said and done in the first few pages itself. Cheesy. One of the posting guidelines says that if you've nothing new to add then don't. What to do in such a case? Refrain or go for expressing your thought?

2. I know Signature campaigns are kindda frowned upon by some of the experienced members for the flurry of "Hey, joined" "Great Luck", "Jingle Bells" kind of posts on them. But some people do want to keep it better and not everyone in Sig campaigns support that. What are your honest thoughts on that? How strong is the prejudice?

3. Do the mods think that these groups will self-moderate or their is a need to enforce certain guidelines? Or is it still just early days of adoption to do this?

Lastly, I just wanted to say that the scholarship and idealism of the early days has slightly drowned out in the din but the work the early adopters have done is huge and I am sure it will sustain itself. Maybe force more of us to raise our standards.

1. Well, some topics are open for argumentation, like the one about whether god exists. You can discuss the subject with others and replying on what others have said before you.

2. Signature Campaigns are the cause of a lot of spam, whilst they are great if you take away all the spam. I feel like campaign managers aren't being strict enough, with all of these spammers crapping all over the forum. I have PM'd many of them, asking them politely to change and giving them suggestions. Only a couple actually responded and most of them told me to shut up. Only one of the many I PM'd actually listened and improved themselves. Most of the spammers won't change, because they want only one thing: Quick & Easy money. They don't care about others. We shouldn't care about them. We should exclude them and give them as much negative feedback as possible.

3. I assume the mods don't want to spend time judging all those posts and trying to remove all the spammers. Besides, it can often be really hard to do so and each moderator is different, meaning not everyone will be treated the same. We shouldn't need moderators to get these nasty spammers out of the way. We, as the Bitcointalk community, can easily solve it: Exclude them from all signature campaigns and give them negative feedback. It requires the co-operation of us all, but it will reward us all as well (besides the spammers, of course).

That's simply what I think about it. Something has to change, but no one knows what.

Regards,
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November 12, 2017, 03:40:29 PM
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Its good to know that most people don't judge signature campaign participants too harshly.. Smiley

The forum seems to have already taken a life of its own now and will probably evolve with time. Any attempts at curbing may also be called out as "censorship", as is the trend nowadays. If it still manages to regain old glory, it will be enough evidence that we are ready for true decentralization! Otherwise, I guess we still need institutions.


It was great to have Trump (Panda Trump) accept that No one (including him) knows what needs to be changed to make BCT great again.. Cheesy

Thank you all for the great inputs.

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