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November 10, 2017, 09:23:30 PM
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By popular demand, newbies can now pay to have some of their restrictions lifted. If you pay the fee, you become a Copper Member, and you can post images. That's the main point of this: allowing newbies to post images. Additionally (and these might change depending on how things go), Copper Members currently have these bonuses:

- Some of the same permissions as Member-rank members, such as reduced signature styling restrictions. (But none of the PM-related restrictions are currently lifted, such as the style limit or per-hour PM limit.)
- Your "you must wait ____ seconds between ___" counter is reduced by 75%. So if you're naturally of Newbie rank, you only have to wait 360-75% = 90 seconds.

If you paid an "evil IP" registration fee, then whatever you paid (in BTC terms) is subtracted from the upgrade fee. If you paid a registration fee a long time ago, you might even get a free Copper Membership due to the increase in BTC price. Just visit the link at the bottom of this post to check whether you have it already.

I am aware that for most people the benefits of this membership are pretty lame. This membership is only intended to fill a specific niche; if you don't need it, don't buy it. It is not intended to be the lower-cost Donator/VIP alternative which I've talked about before as a possibility.

I wrote the system so that I can easily add additional paid memberships in the future, but I might not ever do so. Not sure.

You can buy it here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=credit;promote

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Thanks for your work on the forums theymos, highly appreciated!
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So we would be able to expect new donator ranks which are indeed the lower-cost donator ranks with these Paid-Memberships being introduced any time soon?

Something between Donator & Copper, which would grant you something like a custom title for donating / supporting to the forum?

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I suppose it's a start.

It is not intended to be the lower-cost Donator/VIP alternative which I've talked about before as a possibility.

I wrote the system so that I can easily add additional paid memberships in the future, but I might not ever do so. Not sure.

Please, please consider this. Most of the staff seem to be for it in some capacity. Even if you don't want to remove signatures completely from ranks/activity and offer the perks in addition to being able to rank up your account naturally as it currently is will go a long way. People will no longer purchase accounts to join a signature campaign or buy one just to run an ICO and the market for hacked/sold accounts will become almost worthless etc. The benefits are numerous.


Is there any chance that we will also see new donator ranks with these Paid memberships being introduced?

Something between Donator & Copper, which would grant you something like a custom title for donating / supporting to the forum?

He's already addressed that.

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November 10, 2017, 09:42:37 PM
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Is there any chance that we will also see new donator ranks with these Paid memberships being introduced?

Something between Donator & Copper, which would grant you something like a custom title for donating / supporting to the forum?

Maybe someday, but the forum doesn't really need extra income right now, and if I was going to do that I'd want the membership to have several real extra benefits.

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November 10, 2017, 09:46:00 PM
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Nice idea and I am sure this was introduced to keep in mind the growing number of ICO ann as ico teams do not habe high rank accounts and they do have problems in posting images

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Is there any chance that we will also see new donator ranks with these Paid memberships being introduced?

Something between Donator & Copper, which would grant you something like a custom title for donating / supporting to the forum?

Maybe someday, but the forum doesn't really need extra income right now, and if I was going to do that I'd want the membership to have several real extra benefits.

Give it to charity if the forum doesn't need the money. The money can also just be saved or invested but the benefits of offering more donator ranks are more than just monetary. The biggest issue here is trying to curb the colossal amount of account farming by shitposting which is ruining the forum (and staff are left to constantly clean to up the mess which is a losing battle).

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November 10, 2017, 10:10:55 PM
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So we would be able to expect new donator ranks which are indeed the lower-cost donator ranks with these Paid-Memberships being introduced any time soon?

Something between Donator & Copper, which would grant you something like a custom title for donating / supporting to the forum?
im sure many people would be willing to pay a small fee for the option of being able to set a custom title, i know i would. then again, i could see this feature being abused by scammers and such to seem more trusted and stuff, maybe only allowing certain member ranks to have this option available might be a good idea.

now, the feature we should really be looking for next is donating to set one's gender to attack helicopter.
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Is there any chance that we will also see new donator ranks with these Paid memberships being introduced?

Something between Donator & Copper, which would grant you something like a custom title for donating / supporting to the forum?

Maybe someday, but the forum doesn't really need extra income right now, and if I was going to do that I'd want the membership to have several real extra benefits.

Give it to charity if the forum doesn't need the money. The money can also just be saved or invested but the benefits of offering more donator ranks are more than just monetary. The biggest issue here is trying to curb the colossal amount of account farming by shitposting which is ruining the forum (and staff are left to constantly clean to up the mess which is a losing battle).

The true way to win is make the value of posts equal nil by banning signature campaigns  Roll Eyes [Authoritarian sometimes does work]

More moderators or introduce automation can at least treat the symptoms better now. Encouraging / rewarding user reports would probably help too, honestly that might open up its own market. Seems this happens a lot with India...

But seriously, is there any automation in place? I mean, should we start collaborating strings to search for in posts to help automate it? Are false-positives really an issue?
 Considering how appealing bans is fairly straight forward, it's really not.

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November 10, 2017, 10:48:53 PM
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So we would be able to expect new donator ranks which are indeed the lower-cost donator ranks with these Paid-Memberships being introduced any time soon?

Something between Donator & Copper, which would grant you something like a custom title for donating / supporting to the forum?
im sure many people would be willing to pay a small fee for the option of being able to set a custom title, i know i would. then again, i could see this feature being abused by scammers and such to seem more trusted and stuff, maybe only allowing certain member ranks to have this option available might be a good idea.

People will try and abuse anything but I think the positives will outweigh the negatives. I have suggested being able to change your name being included with a premium level rank (amongst other benefits), but I know that could be abused but would it be worth the risk of the price of the premium rank? To counter abuse, usernames could be limited to only being changed once every six months etc and they possibly have to be approved by a staff member/global mod/admin etc. Every time a custom title is changed maybe it could go in a que to also be checked.

now, the feature we should really be looking for next is donating to set one's gender to attack helicopter.

Ha, this is a human right.

The true way to win is make the value of posts equal nil by banning signature campaigns  Roll Eyes [Authoritarian sometimes does work]

I wouldn't have been against banning them completely, but theymos seems to be against this and is very unlikely to do it. Personally, I would prefer for more restrictions being put on them and many ways have been suggested by staff but we can't really do anything without theymos' approval or him giving more powers out to people.

More moderators or introduce automation can at least treat the symptoms better now.

More mods and admins are needed (or more importantly some of the workload needs to be distributed amongst the current mods). Some boards don't even have any mods assigned at all.

Encouraging / rewarding user reports would probably help too, honestly that might open up its own market.

I don't think some sort of rewards for reporting posts would be a bad idea, but as you said some people would find a way to exploit it. However, those that do report accurately and frequently will have the possibility of becoming a mod at some point which has its financial benefits (but mods are rarely promoted so many probably give up or lose interest (not that they should be reporting purely for that but it's largely a thankless and time-consuming task)).

But seriously, is there any automation in place? I mean, should we start collaborating strings to search for in posts to help automate it?

There is some limited automation but it's not ideal. Any efficient moderation needs to be done manually and is very time consuming as I'm sure you can imagine.

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Much better, this is good policy to avoid some newbie scammer which launching new ico project and the main goal is to get fund from the investors and then run away took all the investments. By this i think only serious people who have real and good project will pay for this to make their threat much more interesting in the eyes of the people.
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November 11, 2017, 03:54:09 AM
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Is “copper member” displayed when someone pays the fee? If so do they retain he title after they have sufficient activity to become a “member”?

I like this idea. It could potentially lead to more strict anti spam measures such as longer time between posts, waiting x time before you can post, being able to only post in x boards, being unable to create threads (in x boards) etc

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Is “copper member” displayed when someone pays the fee? If so do they retain he title after they have sufficient activity to become a “member”?

Once you have it, you get the choice:


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November 11, 2017, 11:21:21 AM
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Is there any chance that we will also see new donator ranks with these Paid memberships being introduced?

Something between Donator & Copper, which would grant you something like a custom title for donating / supporting to the forum?

Maybe someday, but the forum doesn't really need extra income right now, and if I was going to do that I'd want the membership to have several real extra benefits.

I can't really think of any benefits that higher up member levels would need. How about just a simple supporter (or whatever you want to call it) tag just to acknowledge people that do donate?

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I'm sure we could think of some perks. They could have the ability to change their name, have a jpg banner in their sig or have access to the current donator board where they can have a one on one chat with the current VIPs and satoshi when he drops by every now and again (he has great banter but he can be a bit racist at times).

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I can't really think of any benefits that higher up member levels would need.


Maybe a board that doesn't allow sig spammers to post. Smiley

A domain name sales forum would be handy as well - especially if it didn't allow registration service and hosting spamming.

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I have actually suggested before a board that either doesn't display signatures or count towards post count, but maybe that board shouldn't be a paid priviledge and actually free for anyone to use as sig spammers and farmers would naturally leave it alone.

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Is there anything in store for high ranking members in Paid Membership?

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Is it this membership fee is connected to current BTC/USD exchange rate?
It's good thing that newbies who will buy this membership will be able to post images. Because now they had to hire some random accounts to post their announcements or ask somebody to quote it.
But I'm not sure about reducing signature size restrictions. Newbies who don't have knowledge about bitcoin will be able to participate in signature campaigns after spending some btc to buy membership. But maybe it will reduce account farming a bit. People will don't need to buy farmed accounts to participate in signature campaign, it will be enough to buy membership on their freshly made account. But selling of higher ranked farmed accounts will still remain to be serious problem.

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Is it this membership fee is connected to current BTC/USD exchange rate?
It's good thing that newbies who will buy this membership will be able to post images. Because now they had to hire some random accounts to post their announcements or ask somebody to quote it.
But I'm not sure about reducing signature size restrictions. Newbies who don't have knowledge about bitcoin will be able to participate in signature campaigns after spending some btc to buy membership. But maybe it will reduce account farming a bit. People will don't need to buy farmed accounts to participate in signature campaign, it will be enough to buy membership on their freshly made account. But selling of higher ranked farmed accounts will still remain to be serious problem.
going off of this quoted section, i would assume that it is based off some currency's exchanged value.

If you paid an "evil IP" registration fee, then whatever you paid (in BTC terms) is subtracted from the upgrade fee. If you paid a registration fee a long time ago, you might even get a free Copper Membership due to the increase in BTC price. Just visit the link at the bottom of this post to check whether you have it already.
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