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November 10, 2017, 11:22:43 PM
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Really? Is beta.bitcointalk.org legit the latest version? It's been 3 years and this is it? What is it being coded in... assembly?

If I remember correctly, the budget for the site was in the tens of thousands of BTC. At today's value, it'd probably be a $50MM bid. I'm thinking the admins were swindled in the bid... I think it should go back open or at least make a more open competition for the new software.

Edit: Found the source. It's freaking Javascript... that's why. Who would want that ungodly mess to manage? ew.

Edit2: https://github.com/epochtalk/epochtalk for those that can't google.
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November 14, 2017, 08:11:28 PM
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Epochtalk is extremely complicated especially on the admin side of things. That includes moderation/accountability, etc. For comparison, forums like Discourse have been in development a lot longer than us.

Take a look at the issues we have on the Github and try it out or something. Note, that the dependencies that are being developed are also under the entire epochtalk organization.

I feel like a broken record because these questions have been answered over and over. Apologies for not having anything more central and easier to digest than the Github repos.

Really? Is beta.bitcointalk.org legit the latest version? It's been 3 years and this is it? What is it being coded in... assembly?

If I remember correctly, the budget for the site was in the tens of thousands of BTC. At today's value, it'd probably be a $50MM bid. I'm thinking the admins were swindled in the bid... I think it should go back open or at least make a more open competition for the new software.

Edit: Found the source. It's freaking Javascript... that's why. Who would want that ungodly mess to manage? ew.

Edit2: https://github.com/epochtalk/epochtalk for those that can't google.
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November 14, 2017, 09:29:33 PM
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Epochtalk is extremely complicated especially on the admin side of things. That includes moderation/accountability, etc. For comparison, forums like Discourse have been in development a lot longer than us.

Take a look at the issues we have on the Github and try it out or something. Note, that the dependencies that are being developed are also under the entire epochtalk organization.

I feel like a broken record because these questions have been answered over and over. Apologies for not having anything more central and easier to digest than the Github repos.

Really? Is beta.bitcointalk.org legit the latest version? It's been 3 years and this is it? What is it being coded in... assembly?

If I remember correctly, the budget for the site was in the tens of thousands of BTC. At today's value, it'd probably be a $50MM bid. I'm thinking the admins were swindled in the bid... I think it should go back open or at least make a more open competition for the new software.

Edit: Found the source. It's freaking Javascript... that's why. Who would want that ungodly mess to manage? ew.

Edit2: https://github.com/epochtalk/epochtalk for those that can't google.

Why JS?
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November 15, 2017, 07:12:17 AM
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The choice may have been different if we were to start the project now. But I believe that interfaces are what matters. Also, we kind of didn't have a choice on the frontend. If you would like to see, our migration layer and database schema design is written in Elixir and Ecto. As for JS, there are definitely shortcomings but performance-wise, Node is good enough on the server side for the time being.

Do you have any specific questions?
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November 20, 2017, 03:31:54 PM
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The choice may have been different if we were to start the project now. But I believe that interfaces are what matters. Also, we kind of didn't have a choice on the frontend. If you would like to see, our migration layer and database schema design is written in Elixir and Ecto. As for JS, there are definitely shortcomings but performance-wise, Node is good enough on the server side for the time being.

Do you have any specific questions?

Yes, instead of smooth talking us  Tongue, why aren't you simply giving an ETA of the new forum software? It's been almost years due now.

I feel like by the time this is going to be released, it will be outdated again.

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November 23, 2017, 02:52:02 AM
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Why not use Invision Pro Suite?

Not only has it got an amazing amount of history behind it (originally vBulletin), and is so incredibly powerful. I've been able to code in a points system, create all forms of event triggers and code in actions/conditions to create automated processes for certain administration tasks. Always updated, constantly bench tested, used as a commercial product, etc.

It has so much potential, yet the project was to create something from scratch? Are the people building it at least experienced in building forum products??

Check out what I was able to create within a few weeks: https://forum.stake.com/

Look at the potential! You have complete control over the template and formatting of layouts. Extend the API, extend the class/functions/objects, basically do anything you want.


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November 24, 2017, 02:11:21 AM
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The choice may have been different if we were to start the project now. But I believe that interfaces are what matters. Also, we kind of didn't have a choice on the frontend. If you would like to see, our migration layer and database schema design is written in Elixir and Ecto. As for JS, there are definitely shortcomings but performance-wise, Node is good enough on the server side for the time being.

Do you have any specific questions?

Yes, instead of smooth talking us  Tongue, why aren't you simply giving an ETA of the new forum software? It's been almost years due now.

I feel like by the time this is going to be released, it will be outdated again.
Thank you! That's exactly what's on my mind.

Why not use Invision Pro Suite?

Not only has it got an amazing amount of history behind it (originally vBulletin), and is so incredibly powerful. I've been able to code in a points system, create all forms of event triggers and code in actions/conditions to create automated processes for certain administration tasks. Always updated, constantly bench tested, used as a commercial product, etc.

It has so much potential, yet the project was to create something from scratch? Are the people building it at least experienced in building forum products??

Check out what I was able to create within a few weeks: https://forum.stake.com/

Look at the potential! You have complete control over the template and formatting of layouts. Extend the API, extend the class/functions/objects, basically do anything you want.
I saw the Primedice's forum and that. The thing is, they just created it for a short period of time and not years and the outcome is very good. As what Wangbus said, the choice would have been different if they start the project now.

I just hope the wait is worth it and everyone will be satisfied. We might not know what these developers are going thru or what specific obstacles, struggles that they encounter but we will wait and hope for the best but hopefully not so long as what @AdolfinWolf said above.

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November 26, 2017, 04:35:57 AM
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What is the rush? Not like there is no Bitcointalk available? Forum is here and up and running.

Also not that there aren't any users on here as it is... Over 1.3 million accounts and counting.

I rather they take their time and make sure it works well, and it's secure, work is progressing on GitHub so not that they are not working on it either.

Give time to time, a forum with so many users can't just be switched over just like that.

I'm confident once ready we will all see the hardwork that went into it.
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November 26, 2017, 01:20:56 PM
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What is the rush? Not like there is no Bitcointalk available? Forum is here and up and running.
It is a matter of new features for both conveniency and enhaced security.
Also not that there aren't any users on here as it is... Over 1.3 million accounts and counting.
That's not the basis. Also, we should count unique users from those 1.3 million accounts.
I rather they take their time and make sure it works well, and it's secure, work is progressing on GitHub so not that they are not working on it either.
If you had read above, you should know by now the concerns that will rise up when they take too much time to accomplish the new forum.
Give time to time, a forum with so many users can't just be switched over just like that.
Migrating the accounts and details are another thing. As far as I know, they're still developing the website itself.

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December 12, 2017, 10:53:18 AM
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What is the rush? Not like there is no Bitcointalk available? Forum is here and up and running.

Also not that there aren't any users on here as it is... Over 1.3 million accounts and counting.

I rather they take their time and make sure it works well, and it's secure, work is progressing on GitHub so not that they are not working on it either.

Give time to time, a forum with so many users can't just be switched over just like that.

I'm confident once ready we will all see the hardwork that went into it.

Just because it's hard work, that doesn't mean it's good work. Given the time frame of the project, and the apparent budget, the progress should be better. Not to mention that there are forum softwares out there that meet the needs to begin with. The theme of the new forum is trash. Plain and simple. I haven't logged in, so I can't give details on other aspects. But as a developer, I can tell you that progress vs budget vs time is pathetic right now.
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December 27, 2017, 08:02:10 PM
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The choice may have been different if we were to start the project now. But I believe that interfaces are what matters. Also, we kind of didn't have a choice on the frontend. If you would like to see, our migration layer and database schema design is written in Elixir and Ecto. As for JS, there are definitely shortcomings but performance-wise, Node is good enough on the server side for the time being.

Do you have any specific questions?

Do you realize how hilariously unbelievable it is that 11k BTC has been donated for new forum software and nothing has changed?

Do you ever feel like you scammed bitcointalk users that donated?

Javascript is slow... why the fuck would you be developing a 100 million dollar forum in javascript? "Good enough," seriously???. With all the bitcoin that was donated this is just insane... 2018 and no new software. Not even an alpha example to go look at.

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January 21, 2018, 07:06:09 AM
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Progress?  No, the opposite of progress.  I mean --HUGE-- step backwards with just one function that I used to always use::: The PRINT thread option is GONE.  Okay, it's not gone but for anything with more than a few pages we get this lovely message, "The topic is too large to fit on one page."

Sorry if I sound rude and obtuse for not understanding the plight of the managers here.  I was given a reason in the past and I understand rationale in favor of server performance and support of many many more users.  

BUT...  the point is pulling information out of these message boards got exponentially more difficult for me by not being able to print message threads anymore.  I could care less about billion dollar forum renovations.  I would be happy to simply be able to print thousands of pages from a message thread.  I understand there are many like me and that would be a huge demand but surely this is something this mighty website could muster.
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March 18, 2018, 02:18:24 AM
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Really? Is beta.bitcointalk.org legit the latest version? It's been 3 years and this is it? What is it being coded in... assembly?

If I remember correctly, the budget for the site was in the tens of thousands of BTC. At today's value, it'd probably be a $50MM bid. I'm thinking the admins were swindled in the bid... I think it should go back open or at least make a more open competition for the new software.

Edit: Found the source. It's freaking Javascript... that's why. Who would want that ungodly mess to manage? ew.

Edit2: https://github.com/epochtalk/epochtalk for those that can't google.
Just because it's hard work, that doesn't mean it's good work. Given the time frame of the project, and the apparent budget, the progress should be better. Not to mention that there are forum softwares out there that meet the needs to begin with. The theme of the new forum is trash. Plain and simple.
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March 24, 2018, 01:32:46 AM
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Whatever is the development of new forum, you should definitely update the SMF in the mean time.

The SMF team stopped supporting the 1.1.xx branch, which this forum use now.
Not even the security updates.
https://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=559497.0
Upgrade to 2.0.x branch, it already has built-in lot of demands listed in here.
The upgrade is an very easy process, it will take probably under 1 hour with the actual database size.
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March 24, 2018, 01:45:11 PM
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The upgrade is an very easy process, it will take probably under 1 hour with the actual database size.

You have no idea of the number of customizations Theymos has created.  The upgrade would take weeks, if it was even possible.  :/

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March 24, 2018, 05:29:03 PM
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The upgrade is an very easy process, it will take probably under 1 hour with the actual database size.

You have no idea of the number of customizations Theymos has created.  The upgrade would take weeks, if it was even possible.  :/

That's okay, because they've taken years to develop a half-assed forum software. Take your pick.
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March 25, 2018, 12:39:47 AM
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The upgrade is an very easy process, it will take probably under 1 hour with the actual database size.

You have no idea of the number of customizations Theymos has created.  The upgrade would take weeks, if it was even possible.  :/

probably most of them are for some background activities for admins, mods and others groups;

the front end is SMF plain and simple with very few standard mods available from SMF library;
and I say that because I know SMF very well, I had and still have few forums on SMF platform

anyway not having the security updates from SMF, is not very healthy; if a stupid bug would to be found in the near future could make a problem;
this is not a forum for kids toys, a lot of people have sensitive informations for sure (in private messages sections most probably, but never know)
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Really? Is beta.bitcointalk.org legit the latest version? It's been 3 years and this is it? What is it being coded in... assembly?

If I remember correctly, the budget for the site was in the tens of thousands of BTC. At today's value, it'd probably be a $50MM bid. I'm thinking the admins were swindled in the bid... I think it should go back open or at least make a more open competition for the new software.

Edit: Found the source. It's freaking Javascript... that's why. Who would want that ungodly mess to manage? ew.

Edit2: https://github.com/epochtalk/epochtalk for those that can't google.
Just because it's hard work, that doesn't mean it's good work. Given the time frame of the project, and the apparent budget, the progress should be better. Not to mention that there are forum softwares out there that meet the needs to begin with. The theme of the new forum is trash. Plain and simple.

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Just because it's hard work, that doesn't mean it's good work. Given the time frame of the project, and the apparent budget, the progress should be better. Not to mention that there are forum softwares out there that meet the needs to begin with. The theme of the new forum is trash. Plain and simple....
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April 23, 2018, 11:49:23 PM
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Whatever is the development of new forum, you should definitely update the SMF in the mean time.

The SMF team stopped supporting the 1.1.xx branch, which this forum use now.
Not even the security updates.
https://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=559497.0
Upgrade to 2.0.x branch, it already has built-in lot of demands listed in here.
The upgrade is an very easy process, it will take probably under 1 hour with the actual database size.

the forum is heavily customized and got some checks after the last hack, which was years ago. the fact the "outdated" version isn't killed 5 times a day should say it all Wink

the version number shown here doesn't mean some stuff wasn't backported.

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I rather they take their time and make sure it works well, and it's secure, work is progressing on GitHub so not that they are not working on it either.
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