ATTENTION INVESTORS!! ICO Envion project is not workable!!!do not answer,delete

[Sparky71]

I did invest a decent amount and while 161% cannot be guaranteed for sure, I would rather have Envion run a mining operation and pay me dividend, instead of having to run my own rig.

That literally makes no sense.  I could sell you a rig, that you plug, it plays - maybe it wont the most profitable but it'll mine.  it'll even heat your basement a bit and reduce the humidity.  161% is a number they took from anywhere, is just marketing.

Yes, this excessively precise numbers in a field where everything is changing fast in unpredictable directions is a real red flag. Did then anyone really manage to go to Berlin and to see their infrastructures?

Are you still worried?  They raised over $100 Million USD.  Seems plenty of people were convinced.  Time will tell now.  We can just wait and see.

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[ostsee77]

I did invest a decent amount and while 161% cannot be guaranteed for sure, I would rather have Envion run a mining operation and pay me dividend, instead of having to run my own rig.

That literally makes no sense.  I could sell you a rig, that you plug, it plays - maybe it wont the most profitable but it'll mine.  it'll even heat your basement a bit and reduce the humidity.  161% is a number they took from anywhere, is just marketing.

Yes, this excessively precise numbers in a field where everything is changing fast in unpredictable directions is a real red flag. Did then anyone really manage to go to Berlin and to see their infrastructures?

Are you still worried?  They raised over $100 Million USD.  Seems plenty of people were convinced.  Time will tell now.  We can just wait and see.

it does not look good. It's a big scam with $ 100 million. ??  the people do not get token. the investors are getting very nervous. we will watch it the next days

[ChampionGold]

Hello all,


I have been following Envion for a while, this company have worked in stealth, for some while. I personally invested in this ICO at 70 cent, good amount.

The support is great and I have not have had any Issue with it to now, I only some got some delay from them with how fast the could reply as they got there support staff overwhelm with tickets and people asking same questions over and over, and mostly people have some normal issues, and some dumb questions, and people that invested without reading the whitepapers or the terms of purchase, as the most normal investor questions and issues I have seen to now is "why is my tokens locked for 6 months"(did purchase with cc, and have accepted the understanding of the terms at payment). As for my personal investments I got my tokens first the day, paying with ETH, only the verification process took some time with me. Some other people as I have seen, had issues with not understanding the terms, of paying with cc, etc etc. And are having to complain about not getting there tokens etc etc. I feel kind of bad for the Envion support line, to needed to handle all of this kind of support. But my personal opinion is that they do a great job, overall.



Overall It seems, like the company and staff, is working very hard with all issues, that a startup company may a counter.

The company is showing great proof of work and proof of good productions of the MMU's(containers), but we are still wait for the most critical update, and that is on the hardware part.



I see many talking about the ROI and it's is too high etc etc, and therefor it's a "scam", the ROI on there homepage is a model showing assumed returns, you can make one your self on every investment you are doing. This ROI model all depends on how the delivery the MMU's is.

The ROI you are talk about may be much higher and much lower, it all depends on the production of the MMU's, if the production of the MMU's goes well, after my calculations the ROI will be even higher with in mind that the ETH price is almost 1k$ and have been up to 1,3k$, and the model on there page is based on the ETH price at 400$ each(If I'm not to wrong). But the over all difficulty in mining may have increased a bit since the time of the model was created.

The one of investors that sell there tokens now, at this date, do not fully understand the value of holding this EVN tokens. Or we have the kind of investors that are just in the ICO for fast return's and reinvest.

When these people are sorted out, we will only see the remaining of it's investors and these are the ones that have read the whitepapers and understand the value of holding this tokens, as the company grow, and fight for it's success as all startup company's are do. And I believe they have showed us proof of that they are exactly doing this.


But as said over, my prediction when all the investors are "sorted" out, the EVN token will be very hard to get. As the rest of the token holders(investors) will rater hold this long term. That sell with only 2x-3x to even 5x fast return on investments(ROI). Some may sell. But over all if this company do well, I predict that the EVN tokens will be hard to get.



I also believe this company was created in 2015, trough Fundraiser,  if I remember correctly, 1mill$ was raised. Then ICO came and 100 more Millions was raised.
So this company have been around for a while. Working in stealth. They also have a working product, and have showed this to public viewing. Not many ICO's have that out there to day. Most of them only got whitepapers.



I must also say I have seen Envion have been targeted by a group of people spreading really manipulative FUD, around on the net. And it also looks like this group is using a lot of there day time spreading FUD, they have also been banned from Envion facebook page's etc. And I have also reported their behavior, to Envion.

Asking questions is very fine, and is a MUST. But spreading FUD is not acceptable. If it's new's FUD or any kind of FUD. People are even payed to spread FUD. This is a big problem in our life time. And with the internet.

This group, as of my understanding are a group of a little private company that own's one or more homemade containers filled with GPU's, and other miners. My conclusion is that this group is feeling on the pressure of competition. But are handling it very wrong.

And I may say that this thread look's very much like some of the FUD, they have written on facebook. Could be same person's of group.




This is what it says under the ROI Model on Envion's homepage(copy paste):

"The above model shows the assumed return using an annual projected token profit based on a 25% reinvestment strategy and current mining difficulty & market conditions. It includes 9% overhead cost for management, R&D and other company cost and takes into account 17% of tokens that are not distributed (see white paper for distribution). Actual results can be higher or lower. The model is a sample calculation. The model should not be regarded as information for an investment in tokens or as an offer of or a solicitation to buy tokens. Token profits will be cashed out on a weekly basis."



As I explain over with the with the ROI:

I personally would say a realistic ROI first year could be around 50% ROI, but with ETH price rising, and other aspects:
As how good it goes with the company how many MMU's the get out in one year, may make this 50% increase quit a bit more.



As many here are pointing out here is: that with time we will see, where this company is in a year or so.


I'm personally saying, that I would not just simply let this ICO or token go without making an investment small or a high. Even if it this ICO goes good or bad, I simply could not afford to miss this ICO, and it's tokens.

I also see long term potential on "KEEP ICO" and with WPR token.




Kind regard's to the Bitcointalk community

- ChampionGold




PS.
This is my first time posting anything here, and my account is new. I have been active on reading inside this forum for some while.

[ostsee77]

a good whitepaper is not everything. anyone can write that. we need communication and results. these are missing here. There are no news for the investors and bounty people. ico with good communication and information are ok. but here comes nothing. the people can already be gone. nobody knows exactly. I am very disappointed in this project so far. and I denkle the price will fall even further

[Marcin21]

PS.
This is my first time posting anything here, and my account is new. I have been active on reading inside this forum for some while.

Thank you that you have given positive feedback to Your project

A few good questions
https://twitter.com/HiEnergyPeople/status/940535045013561344

[brooklynite1]

TRUTH ABOUT EVION!!!
1. Your company was created October, 5, 2017! (Info from Zug, Switzerland register -  we can provide a paper). 
2. Website was created in October, 2017!
3. In White Paper you told about  Envion technologies GmbH what will cooperate with you, but no any info about this company! Please, send me a link to this company! 
4. Account in Linked In was opened 1 week ago!
5. Your CEO is journalist and  was hired in October, 2017 like all their team!
6. Matthias Woestmann was journalist , how did he financed 300M euros to solar company! He was hired in October, 2017!
In Linked In their 1 post of Company ENVION was 1 week ago. But they told that they worked hard for a long time! Do you believe?

And now, please, tell me: How did patent your technology if your company is just only 1 month?
But you told in your WP about research and develop your technology for a long time!
You can not mine because your company was created only 1 month ago just only for raising money!
Tell me please, why German company was opened in Zug, Switzerland and invest 150.000 Swiss franc?
To make more beautiful project and involve more money from your, dear members!!!

[url]https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthias-woestmann-b87922119/
/url]
[url]https://www.linkedin.com/company/18283079//url]

My questions:
1. Where are founders and co-founders? Where are no info about founders on website!
2. Where do you mine? NO INFO about your minig!!!
3. Website was open 1 month ago!!!
4. Where is technical characteristics for power ?
5. Where is info about mining power per container?
6. Where do you locate&
7. To color a container is it your real technology?

You do not answer in TELEGRAM!!! WHY??? If you do not answer to all my questions

The draft stated the new technology of mining which is patented. I watched videos and saw this technology: 

1. The only Sea container is painted and made many holes with the sewer fittings
2. There are 2 fan in the middle
3.In the inside I see a couple racks on them video cards in a small amount!!!!! 

Dear project Envion - you want us to say here: what is your new technology? 

The container with holes?? It is easy funny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In your container cheese)))))))))))).

 Your video card in the container - will bring you very small profit!!!! About what you say - Divident 161%?? 
If the computing power in the container itself does not pay after 1 year!!!!!!!

Answer me to another question: What kind of processing power you have in your container only?? 

Conclusion:

 1. You do not have mining or where!!!!!!!!! 
2. You have no any technologies for mining 
3. You organized a company less than a month ago 
4. You have hidden the founders of the company
 5. You hired all of the employees a month ago!!! 
6. You are cheating investors offering such income 161% with your container of cheese!!! 
7. Your CEO is just a journalist, not an investor with 300 million))) 
8. You started a company in Zug Switzerland a month ago - in order to make the project more attractive to investors .

INVESTORS CAREFULLY READ MY INFORMATION before investing!!!!!!

I work for the truth - and I hate it when people want to cheat investors with a BLOCKCHAIN world!!!!!!!!!!!!

You removed me from the Telegram !!! Not answering any of my question!!!

.thanks for the heads up on evian but you have another scam ICO mexyone in your own signature lmfao!!!

[Casdinyard]

I did invest a decent amount and while 161% cannot be guaranteed for sure, I would rather have Envion run a mining operation and pay me dividend, instead of having to run my own rig.

That literally makes no sense.  I could sell you a rig, that you plug, it plays - maybe it wont the most profitable but it'll mine.  it'll even heat your basement a bit and reduce the humidity.  161% is a number they took from anywhere, is just marketing.

Yes, this excessively precise numbers in a field where everything is changing fast in unpredictable directions is a real red flag. Did then anyone really manage to go to Berlin and to see their infrastructures?

Are you still worried?  They raised over $100 Million USD.  Seems plenty of people were convinced.  Time will tell now.  We can just wait and see.

it does not look good. It's a big scam with $ 100 million. ??  the people do not get token. the investors are getting very nervous. we will watch it the next days

If you look at their facebook page they have updates in their project and it seems it's working good but the investors are not satisfy on how the kyc on going and also their bounty campaign is not yet paid. The bottom line here even they raised $100M they can't even manage to hire more people to finish the kyc process and bounty payment so everything will be fine. Seems this will be just another broken promise.

[ostsee77]

TRUTH ABOUT EVION!!!
1. Your company was created October, 5, 2017! (Info from Zug, Switzerland register -  we can provide a paper). 
2. Website was created in October, 2017!
3. In White Paper you told about  Envion technologies GmbH what will cooperate with you, but no any info about this company! Please, send me a link to this company! 
4. Account in Linked In was opened 1 week ago!
5. Your CEO is journalist and  was hired in October, 2017 like all their team!
6. Matthias Woestmann was journalist , how did he financed 300M euros to solar company! He was hired in October, 2017!
In Linked In their 1 post of Company ENVION was 1 week ago. But they told that they worked hard for a long time! Do you believe?

And now, please, tell me: How did patent your technology if your company is just only 1 month?
But you told in your WP about research and develop your technology for a long time!
You can not mine because your company was created only 1 month ago just only for raising money!
Tell me please, why German company was opened in Zug, Switzerland and invest 150.000 Swiss franc?
To make more beautiful project and involve more money from your, dear members!!!

[url]https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthias-woestmann-b87922119/
/url]
[url]https://www.linkedin.com/company/18283079//url]

My questions:
1. Where are founders and co-founders? Where are no info about founders on website!
2. Where do you mine? NO INFO about your minig!!!
3. Website was open 1 month ago!!!
4. Where is technical characteristics for power ?
5. Where is info about mining power per container?
6. Where do you locate&
7. To color a container is it your real technology?

You do not answer in TELEGRAM!!! WHY??? If you do not answer to all my questions

The draft stated the new technology of mining which is patented. I watched videos and saw this technology: 

1. The only Sea container is painted and made many holes with the sewer fittings
2. There are 2 fan in the middle
3.In the inside I see a couple racks on them video cards in a small amount!!!!! 

Dear project Envion - you want us to say here: what is your new technology? 

The container with holes?? It is easy funny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In your container cheese)))))))))))).

 Your video card in the container - will bring you very small profit!!!! About what you say - Divident 161%?? 
If the computing power in the container itself does not pay after 1 year!!!!!!!

Answer me to another question: What kind of processing power you have in your container only?? 

Conclusion:

 1. You do not have mining or where!!!!!!!!! 
2. You have no any technologies for mining 
3. You organized a company less than a month ago 
4. You have hidden the founders of the company
 5. You hired all of the employees a month ago!!! 
6. You are cheating investors offering such income 161% with your container of cheese!!! 
7. Your CEO is just a journalist, not an investor with 300 million))) 
8. You started a company in Zug Switzerland a month ago - in order to make the project more attractive to investors .

INVESTORS CAREFULLY READ MY INFORMATION before investing!!!!!!

I work for the truth - and I hate it when people want to cheat investors with a BLOCKCHAIN world!!!!!!!!!!!!

You removed me from the Telegram !!! Not answering any of my question!!!

.thanks for the heads up on evian but you have another scam ICO mexyone in your own signature lmfao!!!

This is a very interesting report. if that's all right people will not get tokens anymore. it really does not look very good. And when I read that a journalist collects over 100 million ..... very strange

[wiliamsarang]

Good project, but I will look further

[duyenhamz9999]

I am interested in this project as well after reading the available information on page first

[crapanpaschi]

What is the minimum investment?

[rightoz]

I have invested in the project !! n looks to me an scam !!
No dividend announcement uptill as promised ! but still positive.....

[saffacoin]

You should HODL until July, everything between now and then is just expected wobbles in the road. For whatever reason the CEO withheld the ICO funds from being released clearly is done so in the best interest of the company and the project otherwise why would he freeze the funds? So, EVN holders strap in, HODL as anything now amounts to speculation but they are there and are working towards the intended goal.

[Natsuu]

Good project, but I will look further

I don't know where your comment came from like seems you don't have any idea what's really happening here. It's a scam and the team run away with the money. No more updates in their social media pages and the worst investors and bounty participants haven't paid yet. Ican say the project is very lucrative that's why they gathered $100M but everyone doesn't know that their money will just be gone in the wind. Well, I just let karma serve what they deserve.

[Ramous17]

You should HODL until July, everything between now and then is just expected wobbles in the road. For whatever reason the CEO withheld the ICO funds from being released clearly is done so in the best interest of the company and the project otherwise why would he freeze the funds? So, EVN holders strap in, HODL as anything now amounts to speculation but they are there and are working towards the intended goal.

Hi, I have one question for all of you defending this ICO. Have you ever really mined cryptos? have you went through the what is so called whitepaper and the cost of logistics? have you understood their value proposition?

The mining business is labor intense.
The elec. cost should be low, and you can achieve this in one location, without moving the containers around the globe, like if it was chess pieces. Are you even factoring the off-time required to move these containers around (months), and the trouble to settle them in the new place, then trouble shooting and so on....... do you know that miners usually don't prefer to turn one rig off, as problems may arise after restart?

I remember reading somewhere that they have access to the newest line of GPUs/ASICs that is not even announced to the public yet!!!!!!!!!!!!! seriously,,,they are making fun of all of the people out there who have no clue about the mining technology or crypto-currencies.

In the beginning, when a friend of mine invested a large sum of money in this project, I thought this is a bad project, now I am convinced it is a deliberate scam.

[magentarendro11]

many things happen here, very complete and concrete a lot of information is also here, but what is the symptom in the development of this project, I just do not understand it

[Kutaxi]

This project is going more and more forward in it research and the development. Every day it is coming up with new things. Projects will surely become successful in the future and give it's investors a very high value of return to there investment.

[hamza987]

Envoin has the potential to be one of the best projext but their founders have ruined the plans by not doing justice with the hype that was created dyring the ico it raised ovwr 100 million but still nothing happend that shpw there are things that needs to correct in ico business.