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November 14, 2017, 06:10:10 PM
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I see this allegation bandied about as fact, and I'm just curious - has this ever been proven anywhere? Is there even evidence that suggests he partakes in such things, or is it just based on the fact that he and BCH benefit from such spamming?
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November 14, 2017, 08:47:25 PM
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No, I haven't personally found any evidence of this.

There was evidence that someone or something was spamming the network, at least earlier in the year (I saw several addresses with a large number of unusual transactions), but as of yet there doesn't seem to be any evidence of what specific entity has been engaged in this.

It's also most likely that the increase in trading volume by about $3,000,000,000 in a day involved a lot more transactions being sent, so the network would be more clogged.


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There is no evidence, but if we look at the facts, it is obviously that he is doing it in order to spam the network, nobody knows if he is the one who is doing it, but obviously that he is behind all this mess.
He really wants to kill bitcoin, and this is why he is doing all this thing in order to make bitcoin cash the new king so he can just full his wallet with millions of dollars worth of that coin.
But take a look at this.. there are more than 30 transactions per second, this is more than visa and mastercard.



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November 14, 2017, 09:32:20 PM
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It definitely seems like a case of if there's smoke, there's fire. He's running out of time for his shenanigans. Once institutional money flows in, he's a little fish.
I don't quite understand who he thinks he's fooling. What does spamming really do? People on most forums are talking about his BS, so people aren't going to move to BCH.
Heck, let him pump it again...we can all ride the pump, make some money and bail back to Bitcoin.
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November 14, 2017, 09:38:10 PM
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The timing is very exact though there is no evidence and i don't blame anyone because i know Bitcoin will be able to overcome that attack or spam, its a good thing i do not have the password of my main wallet though i panic and want to sell the Bitcoin that i am holding for 2 years.

   
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November 14, 2017, 09:42:30 PM
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There is no evidence, but if we look at the facts, it is obviously that he is doing it in order to spam the network, nobody knows if he is the one who is doing it, but obviously that he is behind all this mess.
He really wants to kill bitcoin, and this is why he is doing all this thing in order to make bitcoin cash the new king so he can just full his wallet with millions of dollars worth of that coin.
But take a look at this.. there are more than 30 transactions per second, this is more than visa and mastercard.


Visa processes 24,000 per second.  If my math is correct... you are way off.
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November 14, 2017, 09:59:49 PM
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But take a look at this.. there are more than 30 transactions per second, this is more than visa and mastercard.
There's more like 3 transactions per second, which is several thousand times less than visa or mastercard.
There is no evidence, but if we look at the facts, it is obviously that he is doing it in order to spam the network
There's no point in being certain about something without evidence.  If you see that someone was in court having been accused of someone, the judge can't just say "well, he did look like a dodgy character - let's chuck him in jail". 

When you talk about this you should at least be tentative.  I suggest saying things like "[Person X] could be doing [Action Y] because [Reason Z]".
Heck, let him pump it again...we can all ride the pump, make some money and bail back to Bitcoin.
No you can't, because you don't know where the top is.  If everyone tried to do that, the net profit would be zero since it's a zero-sum game.

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November 14, 2017, 10:00:32 PM
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But take a look at this.. there are more than 30 transactions per second, this is more than visa and mastercard.
Visa processes 24,000 per second.  If my math is correct... you are way off.

Obviously that he had a typo mistake, visa is handling more than 24 thousand of transactions per second, and omg, 30 p/second is so far away from 24 thousands, lol.
We are so far away from that, but if you look at the staticstics from a few years ago, bitcoin was only processing about 3 transactions per second (in 2016 at least)
and ethereum is actually at 11 transactions per second..

Regarding to the OP, there is no way to see if Roger Ver has something to do with all this mess ,but obviously that he has probably made something about this.
He has been the "public face" from all this thing, he will have some troubles on the future if people decides to say that he was the leader of all this movement.

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November 14, 2017, 10:08:48 PM
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This is very hard to prove, as anyone can create an infinite amount of addresses and use mixers to hide their track. Even with the hashpower back to BTC, the mempool is still backlogged with over 100k unconfirmed transactions, so i don't think this was the work of a single guy spamming the network.

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The failed bitcoin attackers; Roger Ver, Jeff Garzik, Barry Silbert, and the DCG backed entities (Coinbase, Kraken, Bitpay, Coindesk, Blockchain.info, bitcoin.com, etc) will continue to influence attacks on Bitcoin via forks, code, media (see coindesk) articles and social posts, funded startups, and flow of funds into exchanges (pumps & dumps).

Why do you think the spam started again and increased after announcement of segwit2x (bitcoin-killer) hardfork cancellation?

What's hilarious is the strength of decentralized Bitcoin and its requirement on consensus has destroyed all opposition - every attempt of undermining bitcoin has failed for four plus years since the attacks ramped up in 2013.

The network of individuals, and companies that are actually pro-Bitcoin are far more powerful than even the DCG-group!

People around the world are seeing this and getting a quick education. Kudos to Bitcoin, decentralization, and the truth.

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November 15, 2017, 12:31:20 AM
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I see this allegation bandied about as fact, and I'm just curious - has this ever been proven anywhere? Is there even evidence that suggests he partakes in such things, or is it just based on the fact that he and BCH benefit from such spamming?
Unfortunately, there is no evidence. This is very hard to prove it because every transaction was anonymous. Some said him and colleague convert all his BTC to BCH to pump, and doing spamming network to make this mess. Two days ago 130k unconfirmed transaction stuck in network. Anything possibility could be happen such as network was flooded by transaction with 0 fees or very low, many double transaction spent, etc.
But certainly, this is a good lesson when network is experiencing busy traffic, many transactions are stuck in, we need more solution to handle this.

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I see this allegation bandied about as fact, and I'm just curious - has this ever been proven anywhere? Is there even evidence that suggests he partakes in such things, or is it just based on the fact that he and BCH benefit from such spamming?

Bitcoin Core pays people to lie and try and deflect the fact that btc is a shit coin and they are unable to handle their transactions volume.

They think 1 guy can send 100s of thousands of transactions every week where it costs him $20 per transactions.

That is $20*100000 = $2 Million Dollars every day or two.
No one would waste that much money.

Think people they are LYING!

Easy fix use another coin instead of their crap coin.
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November 15, 2017, 01:26:38 AM
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I see this allegation bandied about as fact, and I'm just curious - has this ever been proven anywhere? Is there even evidence that suggests he partakes in such things, or is it just based on the fact that he and BCH benefit from such spamming?

Bitcoin Core pays people to lie and try and deflect the fact that btc is a shit coin and they are unable to handle their transactions volume.

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Bitcoin is worth over 100B USD and has daily volume in the Billions, is globally held, and you, TangentC, say its a shitcoin?

What other economic-advice or life-advice do you have? And why are you on this forum?

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There is no evidence of this whatsoever because I've never done anything of the sort, and I've never paid anyone to do anything of the sort.

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I see this allegation bandied about as fact, and I'm just curious - has this ever been proven anywhere? Is there even evidence that suggests he partakes in such things, or is it just based on the fact that he and BCH benefit from such spamming?

Once this kind of scenarios is happening in the crypto currency world who will be blamed of course people who owns most of the coins. And Roger Ver being hailed as the Jesus of bitcoin will always be part of that list. Also if you would think people who will benefit from it are the people who owns most of the coins.

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Do NOT trust Roger and Co. He is a  megalomaniac, and Once a criminal always a criminal(https://www.justice.gov/archive/criminal/cybercrime/press-releases/2002/verPlea.htm)
https://twitter.com/TheEscapening/status/930992162736615425


They prepared the attack many days ago. (https://www.facebook.com/calvinayre/posts/10203345479835804)

It is very interesting that Roger started to speak today. As boat is sinking?

Anyway, please pump that Btrash again, I will grab more BTC.
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I see this allegation bandied about as fact, and I'm just curious - has this ever been proven anywhere? Is there even evidence that suggests he partakes in such things, or is it just based on the fact that he and BCH benefit from such spamming?

Wow, this thread got off topic quickly! Trying to get us back on topic here.

I haven't seen any evidence of Roger's influence on the Bitcoin Cash gains and Bitcoin drop. Roger most certainly has the ability, the wealth, to push the price of Bitcoin Cash up. He has much less influence in pushing the price of Bitcoin down.

That move (of Bitcoin Cash going up as Bitcoin went down) was short lived and it coincided very closely with the news that the Segwit2x fork was being cancelled. At that time, anyone who was pro block expansion would have good reason to ditch Bitcoin and flee to Bitcoin Cash, especially if Roger started the Bitcoin Cash jump.

The only way to really know if you flooded the market is to know the wallet address he would have used and follow the transactions from the wallet - that bit is rather tricky, because it's easy for him to spread his bitcoin around to new wallets, many new wallets, etc.

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The failed bitcoin attackers; Roger Ver, Jeff Garzik, Barry Silbert, and the DCG backed entities (Coinbase, Kraken, Bitpay, Coindesk, Blockchain.info, bitcoin.com, etc) will continue to influence attacks on Bitcoin via forks, code, media (see coindesk) articles and social posts, funded startups, and flow of funds into exchanges (pumps & dumps).

Why do you think the spam started again and increased after announcement of segwit2x (bitcoin-killer) hardfork cancellation?

What's hilarious is the strength of decentralized Bitcoin and its requirement on consensus has destroyed all opposition - every attempt of undermining bitcoin has failed for four plus years since the attacks ramped up in 2013.

The network of individuals, and companies that are actually pro-Bitcoin are far more powerful than even the DCG-group!

People around the world are seeing this and getting a quick education. Kudos to Bitcoin, decentralization, and the truth.

Notice how Bitcoin has for years successfully defeated all opposition?

Even through this: Bitcoin has been banned all over the world by all big banks in nearly all countries since 2013 (for over 4-years) and the banks have completely failed at stopping Bitcoin's growth. At a bank, just try to do a bank transaction say its for "Bitcoin" and watch your transaction be blocked for review.

BUT Everyone in all countries are still finding a way to get Bitcoins. They simply never say "Bitcoin" when dealing with banks. People are smart.

Nothing can stop Bitcoin as it reached escape velocity back in 2013.  What do you think everyone's been doing for the past 4 years??

Bitcoin has been unstoppable growth since 2013.

Wait until we are closer to 3% adoption in the world.

Once we hit 4% adoption in the world, then Bitcoin = mainstream.

Let that sink in.

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Bitcoin is ultimate store of value and its popularity has strengthened over time and maximizes value compared to any other altcoin...why?:
If it can be shutdown, and have assets frozen by a bank or government, there would be no value
If it wasn't secure, there would be no value.
If it wasn't immutable, there would be no value.
If it wasn't globally distributed, there would be no value.
If it wasn't so strong, open-source decentralized and unstoppable, there would be no value.
If it wasn't so scarce, there would be no value.
If it was easy to spam transactions, there would be no value
If it was stopped after all major banks on Earth banned in 2013 to today, there would be no value. (say "bitcoin" when transacting and watch the block of the transaction. simple fix=never mention "bitcoin").
If it didn't have the history of 8+ years (and still no hacker can exploit bitcoin blockchain), there would be no value
If it was exactly like fiat and only did transactions, there would be no value.

Bitcoin has all the characteristics needed combined to make the most value and increasing more than any other financial-asset option coming from the manipulated fiat central-banking debt-system.



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November 30, 2017, 07:18:38 AM
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Do NOT trust Roger and Co. He is a  megalomaniac, and Once a criminal always a criminal(https://www.justice.gov/archive/criminal/cybercrime/press-releases/2002/verPlea.htm)
https://twitter.com/TheEscapening/status/930992162736615425


They prepared the attack many days ago. (https://www.facebook.com/calvinayre/posts/10203345479835804)

It is very interesting that Roger started to speak today. As boat is sinking?

Anyway, please pump that Btrash again, I will grab more BTC.

He's just a puppet. If Roger Ver to go away, the "and Co." will replace him with another puppet.

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