Animal Cruelty - punishments?

[BADecker]

Animal cruelty may seem to be the issue in the USA, but there are two points to the issue.

The first point is the property question. If the animal is your property, you have the right to do with your property as you wish. Property rights are the foundation of all USA law. People don't:
A. Consider property rights in many court cases;
B. Realize that animal rights are not to be considered outside of property rights of the owner;
C. Think about what is happening when property rights are taken away from anyone.

If Government can take away property rights from owners under some particular circumstance, where will they stop? If you become property of Government because property rights of self are taken away, then Government has become a dictatorial Communism.

The second point is, if a person has a problem with someone else harming his own animal in what might be considered a bad, painful, hurtful, inhumane way, the problem shouldn't be the person and his property (animal). The question should revolve around that he did it in public, and it harmed the emotions of a bystander.

The owner has the right to do with his property as he wishes. But he doesn't have the right to harm the emotions of another person by making that person watch how shamefully he treats his property.

The issue is property. It is a person damaging the emotional property of a bystander. It is NOT a property owner damaging his own property, the animal.

In other words, if you need to beat your property, do it in private, so you don't hurt the feelings of other people.

Animal isn't an inanimate object or an piece of land to be considered a property... It's an unarmed creature, also like some humans can be in the same unarmed animal's condition (like old people, children, mental deficients). And if you beat these people there will be consequences, and doesn't matter if it's inside your house or in any other private place, the same goes for animals.

Lives aren't property of anyone. In the case of animals the owner accepts the role of protector, defender and loyal friend of the animal. If this role isn't being followed correctly, the animal must be gotten from this owner's hands, like children are gotten from the parents hands when they suffer abuse.

Notice that I said "USA."

If you are in the USA, just go out and steal an animal from a person who treats it poorly, just so you can treat it better, and find out that it is property, the hard way.

Ah, well, I didn't know things work this way in the USA. It's a pitty though.

In my country it's 3-12 months in the jail or a fine for who harms animals or abandon them.
The problem is that knowing these laws, the abuser usually takes the car and the animal, goes far away from his home and left the animal on the road, near other's houses. Then accelerate the car and go away faster as possible...

The animal starts starving abandoned on the road, being rejected by the near houses as people have already animals.
And it's hard to track who abandoned the animal on the road, as it happens fast and usually in desolate areas, without witnesses.

No it isn't a pity. It's called freedom.

The point is entirely this. If somebody can control your freedom, they can control you. Why stop at animals? Become a Communistic Dictatorship, where they control what color socks you wear, and how many breaths of air you take.

Your choice. Be free, or be a slave.


If the animal isn't yours, then don't treat it good or bad, until you get permission from the owner.

And about the animal's freedom? No one wants to be injured (including the animals). Those who are injured and can't scape from this reality don't have freedom!

You are showing a communist behavior with the animals! You control animal's freedom, so you control them! For these injured animals it's like to live in a junk communist/socialist house, where they aren't respected and treated as they should be.

The real choice humans can take here are: to be a communist enslaver or to be a decent person.

We are talking about lives, and lives don't belong to any man in this world.

Do you think that plants aren't alive? If you feel so strongly, perhaps you should go eat dirt or sand or rocks.

If animals are your property, then you can do with them what you want. If someone else tries to dictate what you can do with your property, then they are making a slave of you. If you are a slave, then you are the property of someone else, and he can do what he wants with you. You are his property.

[Pumapipa]

Hey, guys. I haven't seen any thread here towards the problem of animal cruelty. What are your thoughts on it? I am 100% agains anything that has to do with animal cruelty and I try to make a small difference every day in my life. I donate a little something every day to the clinics and organisations helping and healing the tortured or sick animals. Would you help if you could or do you already?
I know for myself that if I were rich I would dedicate a big part of my life to saving and helping them.

Do you think animals torturers and people that are doig any kind of harm to them should be punished? In some countries they already are, but in some parts of the world people still find it okay to do harm to them.

Please share your thoughts
Hugs,
Belen

there came a time in our country where crush videos ( these are videos which shows cruelty to animals by slowly giving them painful death) became popular item in the news everyday. In my opinion our country don't have that bite when it comes to justice being served to these kind of criminals. I think you are right there should be a more heavy punishment for people bring cruel to animals. We should always remember that God had entrusted the lives of these creatures for us to take care of. Not to do harm to them.
But we should also formulate these laws regarding the punishments for animal abusers and take it more carefully because there will be other sectors related to animals which will be affected like the sector of food. Animals are being slaughtered for human consumption and these to should be viewed and be taken carefully into consideration as well.

[mrcash02]

Animal cruelty may seem to be the issue in the USA, but there are two points to the issue.

The first point is the property question. If the animal is your property, you have the right to do with your property as you wish. Property rights are the foundation of all USA law. People don't:
A. Consider property rights in many court cases;
B. Realize that animal rights are not to be considered outside of property rights of the owner;
C. Think about what is happening when property rights are taken away from anyone.

If Government can take away property rights from owners under some particular circumstance, where will they stop? If you become property of Government because property rights of self are taken away, then Government has become a dictatorial Communism.

The second point is, if a person has a problem with someone else harming his own animal in what might be considered a bad, painful, hurtful, inhumane way, the problem shouldn't be the person and his property (animal). The question should revolve around that he did it in public, and it harmed the emotions of a bystander.

The owner has the right to do with his property as he wishes. But he doesn't have the right to harm the emotions of another person by making that person watch how shamefully he treats his property.

The issue is property. It is a person damaging the emotional property of a bystander. It is NOT a property owner damaging his own property, the animal.

In other words, if you need to beat your property, do it in private, so you don't hurt the feelings of other people.

Animal isn't an inanimate object or an piece of land to be considered a property... It's an unarmed creature, also like some humans can be in the same unarmed animal's condition (like old people, children, mental deficients). And if you beat these people there will be consequences, and doesn't matter if it's inside your house or in any other private place, the same goes for animals.

Lives aren't property of anyone. In the case of animals the owner accepts the role of protector, defender and loyal friend of the animal. If this role isn't being followed correctly, the animal must be gotten from this owner's hands, like children are gotten from the parents hands when they suffer abuse.

Notice that I said "USA."

If you are in the USA, just go out and steal an animal from a person who treats it poorly, just so you can treat it better, and find out that it is property, the hard way.

Ah, well, I didn't know things work this way in the USA. It's a pitty though.

In my country it's 3-12 months in the jail or a fine for who harms animals or abandon them.
The problem is that knowing these laws, the abuser usually takes the car and the animal, goes far away from his home and left the animal on the road, near other's houses. Then accelerate the car and go away faster as possible...

The animal starts starving abandoned on the road, being rejected by the near houses as people have already animals.
And it's hard to track who abandoned the animal on the road, as it happens fast and usually in desolate areas, without witnesses.

No it isn't a pity. It's called freedom.

The point is entirely this. If somebody can control your freedom, they can control you. Why stop at animals? Become a Communistic Dictatorship, where they control what color socks you wear, and how many breaths of air you take.

Your choice. Be free, or be a slave.


If the animal isn't yours, then don't treat it good or bad, until you get permission from the owner.

And about the animal's freedom? No one wants to be injured (including the animals). Those who are injured and can't scape from this reality don't have freedom!

You are showing a communist behavior with the animals! You control animal's freedom, so you control them! For these injured animals it's like to live in a junk communist/socialist house, where they aren't respected and treated as they should be.

The real choice humans can take here are: to be a communist enslaver or to be a decent person.

We are talking about lives, and lives don't belong to any man in this world.

Do you think that plants aren't alive? If you feel so strongly, perhaps you should go eat dirt or sand or rocks.

If animals are your property, then you can do with them what you want. If someone else tries to dictate what you can do with your property, then they are making a slave of you. If you are a slave, then you are the property of someone else, and he can do what he wants with you. You are his property.

There is a big difference between killing for something useful, like to eat, without making the animal (and why not the plant) suffer, and harming, killing for sadistic reasons just to give pleasure to a psychopath's mind, what shouldn't be allowed.

And this kind of people belong in jail.

Even the hunters, that need meat to eat and furs to craft stuff and to sell show respect for the animals they kill.

But I believe you won't accept it, as you don't see animals as living creatures, but just things.
I hope someday you will be able to see further your short horizon...

[RepublicSpace]

People have always killed animals for food. And it seems to me normal but I do not welcome behavior when animals are killed for the sake of wool, trophies, convenience, luxury. It's terribly cruel and stupid.

[kinilawnabakulaw]

Animal cruelty is a horrible thing to do no matter what the reason is. A possible punishment could be that the one who is guilty of it be asked to stay in a cage full of animals or be aaked to take care of the animals as a zookeper.

[BADecker]

Animal cruelty may seem to be the issue in the USA, but there are two points to the issue.

The first point is the property question. If the animal is your property, you have the right to do with your property as you wish. Property rights are the foundation of all USA law. People don't:
A. Consider property rights in many court cases;
B. Realize that animal rights are not to be considered outside of property rights of the owner;
C. Think about what is happening when property rights are taken away from anyone.

If Government can take away property rights from owners under some particular circumstance, where will they stop? If you become property of Government because property rights of self are taken away, then Government has become a dictatorial Communism.

The second point is, if a person has a problem with someone else harming his own animal in what might be considered a bad, painful, hurtful, inhumane way, the problem shouldn't be the person and his property (animal). The question should revolve around that he did it in public, and it harmed the emotions of a bystander.

The owner has the right to do with his property as he wishes. But he doesn't have the right to harm the emotions of another person by making that person watch how shamefully he treats his property.

The issue is property. It is a person damaging the emotional property of a bystander. It is NOT a property owner damaging his own property, the animal.

In other words, if you need to beat your property, do it in private, so you don't hurt the feelings of other people.

Animal isn't an inanimate object or an piece of land to be considered a property... It's an unarmed creature, also like some humans can be in the same unarmed animal's condition (like old people, children, mental deficients). And if you beat these people there will be consequences, and doesn't matter if it's inside your house or in any other private place, the same goes for animals.

Lives aren't property of anyone. In the case of animals the owner accepts the role of protector, defender and loyal friend of the animal. If this role isn't being followed correctly, the animal must be gotten from this owner's hands, like children are gotten from the parents hands when they suffer abuse.

Notice that I said "USA."

If you are in the USA, just go out and steal an animal from a person who treats it poorly, just so you can treat it better, and find out that it is property, the hard way.

Ah, well, I didn't know things work this way in the USA. It's a pitty though.

In my country it's 3-12 months in the jail or a fine for who harms animals or abandon them.
The problem is that knowing these laws, the abuser usually takes the car and the animal, goes far away from his home and left the animal on the road, near other's houses. Then accelerate the car and go away faster as possible...

The animal starts starving abandoned on the road, being rejected by the near houses as people have already animals.
And it's hard to track who abandoned the animal on the road, as it happens fast and usually in desolate areas, without witnesses.

No it isn't a pity. It's called freedom.

The point is entirely this. If somebody can control your freedom, they can control you. Why stop at animals? Become a Communistic Dictatorship, where they control what color socks you wear, and how many breaths of air you take.

Your choice. Be free, or be a slave.


If the animal isn't yours, then don't treat it good or bad, until you get permission from the owner.

And about the animal's freedom? No one wants to be injured (including the animals). Those who are injured and can't scape from this reality don't have freedom!

You are showing a communist behavior with the animals! You control animal's freedom, so you control them! For these injured animals it's like to live in a junk communist/socialist house, where they aren't respected and treated as they should be.

The real choice humans can take here are: to be a communist enslaver or to be a decent person.

We are talking about lives, and lives don't belong to any man in this world.

Do you think that plants aren't alive? If you feel so strongly, perhaps you should go eat dirt or sand or rocks.

If animals are your property, then you can do with them what you want. If someone else tries to dictate what you can do with your property, then they are making a slave of you. If you are a slave, then you are the property of someone else, and he can do what he wants with you. You are his property.

There is a big difference between killing for something useful, like to eat, without making the animal (and why not the plant) suffer, and harming, killing for sadistic reasons just to give pleasure to a psychopath's mind, what shouldn't be allowed.

And this kind of people belong in jail.

Even the hunters, that need meat to eat and furs to craft stuff and to sell show respect for the animals they kill.

But I believe you won't accept it, as you don't see animals as living creatures, but just things.
I hope someday you will be able to see further your short horizon...

The fact that people who punish their animals for no reason are base and foolish people, doesn't take away the fact of their freedom to do with their property what they want.

If somebody beats his animal, and if it hurts your feelings, tell him to stop doing it in your presence. Then move away so that you won't see it happening. This way you won't get your feelings hurt.

If he flaunts the beating of his animal in your presence, in ways that you can't avoid seeing or hearing, then take him to court for hurting you... not for managing his property.

If you want to take away property rights of other people, or make property rights of others fit your definition or theme in life, then you are denying freedom to PEOPLE, and are worse than one who beats his property.

[gabmen]

Animal cruelty may seem to be the issue in the USA, but there are two points to the issue.

The first point is the property question. If the animal is your property, you have the right to do with your property as you wish. Property rights are the foundation of all USA law. People don't:
A. Consider property rights in many court cases;
B. Realize that animal rights are not to be considered outside of property rights of the owner;
C. Think about what is happening when property rights are taken away from anyone.

If Government can take away property rights from owners under some particular circumstance, where will they stop? If you become property of Government because property rights of self are taken away, then Government has become a dictatorial Communism.

The second point is, if a person has a problem with someone else harming his own animal in what might be considered a bad, painful, hurtful, inhumane way, the problem shouldn't be the person and his property (animal). The question should revolve around that he did it in public, and it harmed the emotions of a bystander.

The owner has the right to do with his property as he wishes. But he doesn't have the right to harm the emotions of another person by making that person watch how shamefully he treats his property.

The issue is property. It is a person damaging the emotional property of a bystander. It is NOT a property owner damaging his own property, the animal.

In other words, if you need to beat your property, do it in private, so you don't hurt the feelings of other people.

Animal isn't an inanimate object or an piece of land to be considered a property... It's an unarmed creature, also like some humans can be in the same unarmed animal's condition (like old people, children, mental deficients). And if you beat these people there will be consequences, and doesn't matter if it's inside your house or in any other private place, the same goes for animals.

Lives aren't property of anyone. In the case of animals the owner accepts the role of protector, defender and loyal friend of the animal. If this role isn't being followed correctly, the animal must be gotten from this owner's hands, like children are gotten from the parents hands when they suffer abuse.

Notice that I said "USA."

If you are in the USA, just go out and steal an animal from a person who treats it poorly, just so you can treat it better, and find out that it is property, the hard way.

Ah, well, I didn't know things work this way in the USA. It's a pitty though.

In my country it's 3-12 months in the jail or a fine for who harms animals or abandon them.
The problem is that knowing these laws, the abuser usually takes the car and the animal, goes far away from his home and left the animal on the road, near other's houses. Then accelerate the car and go away faster as possible...

The animal starts starving abandoned on the road, being rejected by the near houses as people have already animals.
And it's hard to track who abandoned the animal on the road, as it happens fast and usually in desolate areas, without witnesses.

No it isn't a pity. It's called freedom.

The point is entirely this. If somebody can control your freedom, they can control you. Why stop at animals? Become a Communistic Dictatorship, where they control what color socks you wear, and how many breaths of air you take.

Your choice. Be free, or be a slave.


If the animal isn't yours, then don't treat it good or bad, until you get permission from the owner.

And about the animal's freedom? No one wants to be injured (including the animals). Those who are injured and can't scape from this reality don't have freedom!

You are showing a communist behavior with the animals! You control animal's freedom, so you control them! For these injured animals it's like to live in a junk communist/socialist house, where they aren't respected and treated as they should be.

The real choice humans can take here are: to be a communist enslaver or to be a decent person.

We are talking about lives, and lives don't belong to any man in this world.

Do you think that plants aren't alive? If you feel so strongly, perhaps you should go eat dirt or sand or rocks.

If animals are your property, then you can do with them what you want. If someone else tries to dictate what you can do with your property, then they are making a slave of you. If you are a slave, then you are the property of someone else, and he can do what he wants with you. You are his property.

There is a big difference between killing for something useful, like to eat, without making the animal (and why not the plant) suffer, and harming, killing for sadistic reasons just to give pleasure to a psychopath's mind, what shouldn't be allowed.

And this kind of people belong in jail.

Even the hunters, that need meat to eat and furs to craft stuff and to sell show respect for the animals they kill.

But I believe you won't accept it, as you don't see animals as living creatures, but just things.
I hope someday you will be able to see further your short horizon...

Well there are many people like that who pretty much see any animal as something that's easily dispensible. There's a big big difference in killing animals the proper way and doing it cruelly. Cruelty involves malicious intent. I think people are wise enough that they can tell if what theiy're doing is cruel. Punishment should be quite severe.  Like longer jail time.

[Riverviwa]

I don’t like animals but I am never cruel to them and no one should be.

[komatovo]

I don’t like animals but I am never cruel to them and no one should be.

Those who commit the most shocking cruelty towards animals,must be with suitably tough punishments

[TwitterTreasure6]

Treat animals equally and lovingly. Animal Cruelty should stop completely.

[BADecker]

I don’t like animals but I am never cruel to them and no one should be.

Those who commit the most shocking cruelty towards animals,must be with suitably tough punishments

While people should not treat animals cruelly, there should be no punishment for how a person treats his own animal that is his property. Punishing a person for the way he treats his property is the same as making him a slave. Is that what you want? Slavery?

[samtarly]

People have always killed animals for food. And it seems to me normal but I do not welcome behavior when animals are killed for the sake of wool, trophies, convenience, luxury. It's terribly cruel and stupid.

yes but torturing animals is not morally accepted that's why many people are condemning these kind of acts and for me should be punished by law. I know animals are more inferior species than us and we also eat animals but if we kill an animal at least do it in a way they will be killed instantly.

[mimipipi]

Of course people who torture animals should be punished. Animals also have feelings, animals must be taken care of animals, do not hurt them, they can not scream when hurt they can not fight when hurt but you have to know that animal has feelings like human given the mind by God, love the animals, if you do not like animals, drive out in a good way, do not hurt them, they can cry even though their tears are not visible to us humans.

[Simplyield]

Being a vegan is something that might help in stopping animal cruelty.

[JunkieMiner]

Dogtowners, as well as citizens who demonstrate on the Internet mockery of animals should sit in the prison as cruel killers!

[innocent93]

A good punishment would be to give them the same treatment they gave to the poor animals, perhaps this way they will understand something from the hole situation.

[a7goo]

First of all, torturing animals is an unjust and infamous thing. Torturing an animal that has good feelings should make the author feel small ... for the penalty I would decide the same of torture

[CHILO20]

Reasonable punishment for animal cruelty so that people will learn and obey the law.
No deaths for both humans and animals.

All of the human rights and animal rights are obviously over reacting.
Proper regulation of law should be made, not to harsh and not to soft. Should be reasonable, but if you mass murder a population of animals then you should be dead. And that does not include human "traditional" food sources.

[btcminer49er]

Not gonna quote that big "quotation arguing" for the sake of not filling the topic with repeating sentences.
But man hey, what did the animals ever do to you O.o ? I mean everyones opinion matters okay, but still, what with all the slave bullshit. Yes we are mostly the slaves of the system, you can choose not to be...But why take it on the animals ?
So if you aren't a slave of the system, you will make a system yourself for those who are weaker or less intelligent and do the same exact thing

I don't agree with animal cruelty, and animal cruelty unfortunately happens mostly with owners bullying their animals...which is even scarier. Why would you even get a pet if you are going to treat it like that. I have a dog, and HE is my friend...don't understand people that do the opossite

[summit26]

I do believe that everyone should be treated nicely, but ANIMALS are still animal no matter what we think. and those people who cruel animals had the experience yet for being endured by animals and we can not eliminate them from doing bad to animals. No further punishment should required for his own property.