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The Casascius 1oz 10BTC Silver Round (w/ Gold B)
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August 13, 2013, 03:36:50 PM |
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My most stress free way to send a single coin anywhere in the world is to put it in a CD mailer with a sub-envelope in the middle, with staples, so it stays in the center.
I have never been told of one being opened or assessed customs, as I presume it flows with letter mail. It doesn't look interesting. If you are a customs agent looking for valuable items to assess tax on, where are you going to spend your time, the boxes and items that have been insured or couriered or registered, or are you going to fish through and rip open (and retape) hundreds of thousands of pieces of untracked regular letter mail in case it contains a small valuable object?
Of course, the flip side is if the buyer says he never got it, he could be lying, and it's untracked, so you don't know. However the conscientious buyer ought to prefer getting it as letter mail at his own risk, since his "expected value" from possibly not paying VAT is probably greater than the negative expected value of the risk of loss.
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Companies claiming they got hacked and lost your coins sounds like fraud so perfect it could be called fashionable. I never believe them. If I ever experience the misfortune of a real intrusion, I declare I have been honest about the way I have managed the keys in Casascius Coins. I maintain no ability to recover or reproduce the keys, not even under limitless duress or total intrusion. Remember that trusting strangers with your coins without any recourse is, as a matter of principle, not a best practice. Don't keep coins online. Use paper or hardware wallets instead.
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OgNasty (OP)
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August 13, 2013, 04:36:28 PM |
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My most stress free way to send a single coin anywhere in the world is to put it in a CD mailer with a sub-envelope in the middle, with staples, so it stays in the center.
I have never been told of one being opened or assessed customs, as I presume it flows with letter mail. It doesn't look interesting. If you are a customs agent looking for valuable items to assess tax on, where are you going to spend your time, the boxes and items that have been insured or couriered or registered, or are you going to fish through and rip open (and retape) hundreds of thousands of pieces of untracked regular letter mail in case it contains a small valuable object?
Of course, the flip side is if the buyer says he never got it, he could be lying, and it's untracked, so you don't know. However the conscientious buyer ought to prefer getting it as letter mail at his own risk, since his "expected value" from possibly not paying VAT is probably greater than the negative expected value of the risk of loss.
I used to ship silver this way all the time without any issues. However, since I was reselling your products I wanted them to be tracked and I wanted to be honest about the contents. Telling USPS you're shipping silver overseas is like trying to get through airport security with a bottle of water...
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Super T
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August 14, 2013, 12:47:00 AM |
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I can sympathise with ognasty here, in my case I specifically requested tracked shipping as i knew the coins i ordered were likely to be funded prior to arrival and with 5 coins the risk was a little higher, I just assumed there would be no problem with postal regulations, I guess neither of us anticipated the hassle involved.
Mike, my particular case could have been de-risked if you had some sort of mechanism for allowing the target recipient of a new coin to securely trigger (or more specifically, delay) initial funding on a per coin basis. Even if the ability was limited to the original purchasser in group buys such as this, the resuced risk and cost of transport would probably help to boost overseas demand.
Could your 2/3 party escrow model could be re-purposed to enable this sort of thing?
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KingOfSports
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August 14, 2013, 01:45:32 AM |
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Good to hear they were ordered! Truly looking forward to receiving the coin. If the coins arrive after the 24th of August, I will PM you a different address to send to since I will be leaving for college again shortly after that date.
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huanix
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August 14, 2013, 03:14:56 AM |
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Umm... College you say? May I join you? I'm doing this "real world" thing and college is a lot more fun!
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KingOfSports
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August 14, 2013, 03:22:49 AM |
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Umm... College you say? May I join you? I'm doing this "real world" thing and college is a lot more fun!
I'm a 2nd year finance and accounting student and I do not take it as a joke. Seriously grow up if you're trying to make jokes against someone who is trying to get a degree and hopefully a masters one day in business.
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nubbins
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August 14, 2013, 03:47:51 AM |
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Umm... College you say? May I join you? I'm doing this "real world" thing and college is a lot more fun!
I'm a 2nd year finance and accounting student and I do not take it as a joke. Seriously grow up if you're trying to make jokes against someone who is trying to get a degree and hopefully a masters one day in business. The joke he was making is that life sucks once you graduate college. It wasn't at your expense.
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KingOfSports
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August 14, 2013, 05:18:34 AM |
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Umm... College you say? May I join you? I'm doing this "real world" thing and college is a lot more fun!
I'm a 2nd year finance and accounting student and I do not take it as a joke. Seriously grow up if you're trying to make jokes against someone who is trying to get a degree and hopefully a masters one day in business. The joke he was making is that life sucks once you graduate college. It wasn't at your expense. Oh, well sorry then. Yeah college is fun at times but your future is at stake so you shouldn't fool around too much haha.
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djjacket
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August 14, 2013, 01:26:01 PM |
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I'll take the last one to the US. Sent you a PM.
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shadallion
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August 14, 2013, 04:08:28 PM |
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I am bizarrely excited to own one of these, thanks for hooking us up Mike and OGNasty
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huanix
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August 23, 2013, 08:51:35 PM |
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Can we get an update from OgNasty or Casascius?
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OgNasty (OP)
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August 23, 2013, 08:55:49 PM |
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Can we get an update from OgNasty or Casascius?
I haven't heard anything since I placed the order.
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Mike Caldwell
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The Casascius 1oz 10BTC Silver Round (w/ Gold B)
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August 23, 2013, 11:29:40 PM |
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It is going to take me a bit to get it out.
The last batch of 1 btc blanks I received, I didn't like them. They have a ridge on one side that makes it so a stack of them doesn't stand up straight. I am expecting some new ones next week and will be scrapping these ones. Since this is a new one-off problem I imagine it can be avoided now that I have pointed it out.
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Companies claiming they got hacked and lost your coins sounds like fraud so perfect it could be called fashionable. I never believe them. If I ever experience the misfortune of a real intrusion, I declare I have been honest about the way I have managed the keys in Casascius Coins. I maintain no ability to recover or reproduce the keys, not even under limitless duress or total intrusion. Remember that trusting strangers with your coins without any recourse is, as a matter of principle, not a best practice. Don't keep coins online. Use paper or hardware wallets instead.
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KingOfSports
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September 03, 2013, 06:18:32 AM |
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Hopefully the coins are shipped soon.
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shadallion
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September 10, 2013, 03:59:33 PM |
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Is this happening or what?
It's been over a month!
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OgNasty (OP)
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September 10, 2013, 07:01:24 PM |
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Is this happening or what?
It's been over a month!
I received shipping info from casascius for our order today. These coins will hopefully be shipped out to you this weekend.
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djjacket
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September 10, 2013, 07:02:31 PM |
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Is this happening or what?
It's been over a month!
I received shipping info from casascius for our order today. These coins will hopefully be shipped out to you this weekend. Great news!
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huanix
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September 10, 2013, 11:20:00 PM |
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wahoo! thanks guys.
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OgNasty (OP)
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September 11, 2013, 10:54:27 PM |
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Coins have been received and will ship out in the morning.
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September 12, 2013, 11:57:06 AM |
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Thanks, Og!
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