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July 01, 2013, 11:00:38 PM |
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Something not based on expecting a price jump (i.e, some bigshot saying that he is investing in bitcoin).
Something that will get merchants excited and accepting Bitcoin adding to the stickiness of its value.
I have the theory that once Bitcoin gets sticky, it will slowly accrue !10% value increase each year. Before that, it will bounce up and down a lot, before stickiness is obtained. I have no idea whether stickiness will be obtained at $1000, or $100, or $50, or $20, so I'm not a 'perma bull' based on the current price by any means, but we need something to get that stickiness, and the sooner it comes, the better.
What do you think is the best way of getting merchants excited?
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July 01, 2013, 11:03:25 PM |
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whats exciting about a currency where 9mil/11mil coins is held by a few 'bitcoin elite' and the rest is scraping scraps
its worse than in the real world
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July 01, 2013, 11:05:23 PM |
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whats exciting about a currency where 9mil/11mil coins is held by a few 'bitcoin elite' and the rest is scraping scraps
its worse than in the real world
Proof ?
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July 01, 2013, 11:07:50 PM |
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Seems like the early comers are into debit cards.
So here's the thing: Do you think that the ability to buy prepaid debit cards with bitcoin would be enough, or does there need to be some way of having an actual floating-value debit with bitcoins attached to it?
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July 02, 2013, 12:34:45 AM |
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whats exciting about a currency where 9mil/11mil coins is held by a few 'bitcoin elite' and the rest is scraping scraps
its worse than in the real world
What bitcoin is lacking is a systemic in built toxic infrastructure which was crafted over centuries to perpetually funnel money to the top of a pyramid. So yes, i do wish bitcoin was held more democratically, but this is easily solved by making people want to get their hands on some. But... Once actual economic activity migrates into crypto-currency realms, these economies will suddenly find themselves free of the crushing burden and corruption which the current banking system places upon everyone as it pipes our money up the hill into non-deserving pockets. This is the promise that has so many excited: That with bitcoins, much can be fixed. The current banking cannot be fixed, one can only turn away from it and use an alternative - of which none existed until now.
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July 02, 2013, 01:48:00 AM |
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What merchants wants is a simple payment system that is easy to control and maintain.
I'm thinking that most want a simple solution that allows their customers to pay in BTC and automatically deposits local fiat into their account. Would also assume that a merchant that is interested in BTC might want to keep a fixed percentage of BTC while the rest is converted. -That way they can get an upside if BTC increases in value, with little risk as all they risk is their profit at that particular order. As of now I guess very few merchants see more than a couple of percent(or a fraction of a percent) of their sales being paid by BTC.
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BitCoin is NOT a pyramid - it's a pagoda.
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July 02, 2013, 01:51:29 AM |
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whats exciting about a currency where 9mil/11mil coins is held by a few 'bitcoin elite' and the rest is scraping scraps
its worse than in the real world
What bitcoin is lacking is a systemic in built toxic infrastructure which was crafted over centuries to perpetually funnel money to the top of a pyramid. So yes, i do wish bitcoin was held more democratically, but this is easily solved by making people want to get their hands on some. But... Once actual economic activity migrates into crypto-currency realms, these economies will suddenly find themselves free of the crushing burden and corruption which the current banking system places upon everyone as it pipes our money up the hill into non-deserving pockets. This is the promise that has so many excited: That with bitcoins, much can be fixed. The current banking cannot be fixed, one can only turn away from it and use an alternative - of which none existed until now. Yup, this is totally true. Bitcoin gives allows early adopters to get a head start and have more money at the start. The existing system allows those born into the right family to not only get a head start and have more money at the start, but also funnel more money to the top for doing absolutely nothing.
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July 02, 2013, 02:19:28 AM |
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The value of bitcoin will be determined long term not by "something new and exciting" but by what it can do for people to improve their lives. It will find it's true value over time. In the meantime, it is a highly speculative, not particularly liquid and volatile instrument. It is particularly risky at current price levels, since it was trading at around $13 as recently as January.
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July 02, 2013, 02:30:03 AM |
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...these economies will suddenly find themselves free of the crushing burden and corruption which the current banking system places upon everyone as it pipes our money up the hill into non-deserving pockets.
This is the promise that has so many excited: That with bitcoins, much can be fixed. The current banking cannot be fixed, one can only turn away from it and use an alternative - of which none existed until now.
This is the true value of Bitcoin.
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July 06, 2013, 11:02:39 AM |
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Yup, this is totally true.
Bitcoin gives allows early adopters to get a head start and have more money at the start.
The existing system allows those born into the right family to not only get a head start and have more money at the start, but also funnel more money to the top for doing absolutely nothing.
Good point. Who would you rather see gain rapid wealth? A few random people from all walks of life who saw potential in a new and exciting technology? Or a few guys who were skillful enough to be born in an ivy league family which yielded a shot at becoming a banking executive? Another point, (last one i promise :-) you and i cannot participate in the revolving door between high finance, government office and private contracting. This is the real evil that allows the regulated to suddenly become regulators. Such bull sh@t needs to end. No better way than to over the long term marginalize this entire corrupt sector of human activity.
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July 06, 2013, 11:51:41 AM |
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What merchants wants is a simple payment system that is easy to control and maintain.
I'm thinking that most want a simple solution that allows their customers to pay in BTC and automatically deposits local fiat into their account. Would also assume that a merchant that is interested in BTC might want to keep a fixed percentage of BTC while the rest is converted. -That way they can get an upside if BTC increases in value, with little risk as all they risk is their profit at that particular order. As of now I guess very few merchants see more than a couple of percent(or a fraction of a percent) of their sales being paid by BTC.
we have ripple for that. but its still in beta.
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