BFL_Josh - "Then stop asking for updates, it's that simple."

[OmegaNemesis28]

Josh: "Then stop asking for updates, it's that simple. If you want updates and estimates, then they will tend to be modified as time goes on. If you want 100% accurate information, then wait. There's no other option."

Josh: "So I'm curious how you know how many orders we ship per day?"

User: "How about you just tell us?"

Josh: "Because it causes more problems than it solves, so that's not going to happen either."

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/3703-josh-its-time-update-bfl-asic-status-4.html#post45944

This is getting pretty absurd.
The huge "defense" of BFL that I constantly keep seeing from their fan boy army is that "no one has a right to other customer's information and what BFL is shipping." What does that have to do with numbers of how many get shipped on X day?

[reg]

Josh: "Then stop asking for updates, it's that simple. If you want updates and estimates, then they will tend to be modified as time goes on. If you want 100% accurate information, then wait. There's no other option."

Josh: "So I'm curious how you know how many orders we ship per day?"

User: "How about you just tell us?"

Josh: "Because it causes more problems than it solves, so that's not going to happen either."

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/3703-josh-its-time-update-bfl-asic-status-4.html#post45944

This is getting pretty absurd.
The huge "defense" of BFL that I constantly keep seeing from their fan boy army is that "no one has a right to other customer's information and what BFL is shipping." What does that have to do with numbers of how many get shipped on X day?

as a "fan boy army" member- but I prefer customer awaiting delivery. there is nothing wrong in asking for daily updates of items shipped. but there is something wrong with asking to whom and where!. also I prefer everyone to be working full time on manufacture and delivery- not on collecting shipping data!. as an aside if like me you have ordered and paid for an item there is a tendency to regard that item your own! this is clearly wrong. all equipment belongs to bfl (even in transit ) until you take delivery so all this - they are doing this and that with my unit is rubbish. reg.

[smoothie]

October = November = December.... = June = July = August = September....

Seriously no one saw this coming? Almost 1 year ago I posted asking about how BFL could estimate their mini rigs to do 1.0 TH/s without a working prototype and yet people still threw money at them in pre-orders even before a prototype existed.

[OmegaNemesis28]

Josh: "Then stop asking for updates, it's that simple. If you want updates and estimates, then they will tend to be modified as time goes on. If you want 100% accurate information, then wait. There's no other option."

Josh: "So I'm curious how you know how many orders we ship per day?"

User: "How about you just tell us?"

Josh: "Because it causes more problems than it solves, so that's not going to happen either."

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/3703-josh-its-time-update-bfl-asic-status-4.html#post45944

This is getting pretty absurd.
The huge "defense" of BFL that I constantly keep seeing from their fan boy army is that "no one has a right to other customer's information and what BFL is shipping." What does that have to do with numbers of how many get shipped on X day?

as a "fan boy army" member- but I prefer customer awaiting delivery. there is nothing wrong in asking for daily updates of items shipped. but there is something wrong with asking to whom and where!. also I prefer everyone to be working full time on manufacture and delivery- not on collecting shipping data!. as an aside if like me you have ordered and paid for an item there is a tendency to regard that item your own! this is clearly wrong. all equipment belongs to bfl (even in transit ) until you take delivery so all this - they are doing this and that with my unit is rubbish. reg.

I agree that you can't ask for where the orders are going and for whom. I don't see that being asked anywhere is the thing. People just want their position and a final eta.

[polarhei]

Stop asking? The magpie is the question. People will stop asking if there is an accurate eta

[jamesc760]

BFL's motto:

"There is a sucker born every minute!"

[k9quaint]

It should be a 5 second exercise to determine the number of units shipped since last update and post it on the forums.
Modern accounting software + a simple counter on a webpage would be another way to do it and that would take 5ms.
The question of "progress update" is such a simple and straightforward question to answer, it boggles the mind that BFL can't do it.

Unless...
BFL realizes that they are legally obligated to refund every pre-order who wants one (and hasn't had their products shipped to them yet).
And if BFL revealed things about their business it would scare folks away.

[Fiyasko]

Josh: "Then stop asking for updates, it's that simple. If you want updates and estimates, then they will tend to be modified as time goes on. If you want 100% accurate information, then wait. There's no other option."

Josh: "So I'm curious how you know how many orders we ship per day?"

User: "How about you just tell us?"

Josh: "Because it causes more problems than it solves, so that's not going to happen either."

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/3703-josh-its-time-update-bfl-asic-status-4.html#post45944

This is getting pretty absurd.
The huge "defense" of BFL that I constantly keep seeing from their fan boy army is that "no one has a right to other customer's information and what BFL is shipping." What does that have to do with numbers of how many get shipped on X day?

If he really feels that way then they must be shipping Very Few orders each day if telling people how many are being filled would "cause more problems than it solves"
If he gave out a number, Then Anyone could goto that information, and infer for themsevles how long untill they can expect to wait baised on thier own estimate!

[Nemo1024]

Boy am I glad I asked for and got a refund, now having money to spend to buy BTC directly.
I'll consider mining again, but only when ASICs can be bought with next day delivery.

[mgio]

Boy am I glad I asked for and got a refund, now having money to spend to buy BTC directly.
I'll consider mining again, but only when ASICs can be bought with next day delivery.

Here is a theory that people will soon realize is true:

If you can order a mining device immediately (i.e. not pre-order) you will never make ROI on it.

If companies already had these devices and they were profitable, they'd mine with them, not sell them. If they sell them, they will charge so much that they won't be profitable. If they charged so little such that they were profitable, everyone would buy them and difficulty would rise so that they quickly became unprofitable.

[YipYip]

Josh answer that the reality of the situation would cause them problems

Every BFL customer has had to swallow the cool aide to do business with them

[Flying Hellfish]

Josh: "Then stop asking for updates, it's that simple. If you want updates and estimates, then they will tend to be modified as time goes on. If you want 100% accurate information, then wait. There's no other option."

Josh: "So I'm curious how you know how many orders we ship per day?"

User: "How about you just tell us?"

Josh: "Because it causes more problems than it solves, so that's not going to happen either."

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/3703-josh-its-time-update-bfl-asic-status-4.html#post45944

This is getting pretty absurd.
The huge "defense" of BFL that I constantly keep seeing from their fan boy army is that "no one has a right to other customer's information and what BFL is shipping." What does that have to do with numbers of how many get shipped on X day?

His comments to me can only mean that very little to no shipping is happening and they have no clue when mass shipping will start.  If they were shipping 50, 100, 200, 400 units a days BFL would be very vocal about it IMO and likely our friendly neighbourhood douche bag would be in here calling people cunts to drum up more orders.

[k9quaint]

Josh: "Then stop asking for updates, it's that simple. If you want updates and estimates, then they will tend to be modified as time goes on. If you want 100% accurate information, then wait. There's no other option."

Josh: "So I'm curious how you know how many orders we ship per day?"

User: "How about you just tell us?"

Josh: "Because it causes more problems than it solves, so that's not going to happen either."

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/3703-josh-its-time-update-bfl-asic-status-4.html#post45944

This is getting pretty absurd.
The huge "defense" of BFL that I constantly keep seeing from their fan boy army is that "no one has a right to other customer's information and what BFL is shipping." What does that have to do with numbers of how many get shipped on X day?

His comments to me can only mean that very little to no shipping is happening and they have no clue when mass shipping will start.  If they were shipping 50, 100, 200, 400 units a days BFL would be very vocal about it IMO and likely our friendly neighbourhood douche bag would be in here calling people cunts to drum up more orders.

They have demonstrated working examples of all the devices weeks ago. BFL stated they had all of the parts needed to clear the backlog.
But BFL has stopped shipping (or at least nobody is getting devices and BFL is not claiming to have shipped any).
The only reason would have stopped by now is a lack of parts. I see no other plausible reason to not ship.
What plausible reason could there be for a lack of parts at this late a date? Did they run out of chips?
Does everyone have to wait the 100 days it takes BFL to get a new chip order in?

[YipYip]

Does everyone have to wait the 100 days it takes BFL to get a new chip order in?

Yup.....

We are ~40-45 days into the 90 days every unit will be shipped from the queue...

BTW i stated that i would east my ball sack if they did ship EVERY unit in that time period

I think my ball sack is pretty safe at this point

[Frizz23]

Does everyone have to wait the 100 days it takes BFL to get a new chip order in?

Yup.....

We are ~40-45 days into the 90 days every unit will be shipped from the queue...

BTW i stated that i would east my ball sack if they did ship EVERY unit in that time period

I think my ball sack is pretty safe at this point

Your ball sack is safe anyway. In the Bitcoin Universe no one has to keep word.

Josh didn't commit Seppuku when BFL failed to deliver before April 2013. BFL didn't donate to charity when they failed their 1GHash/Watt promise.

Wild Wild West. Full of them cowboys.

[OmegaNemesis28]

Does everyone have to wait the 100 days it takes BFL to get a new chip order in?

Yup.....

We are ~40-45 days into the 90 days every unit will be shipped from the queue...

BTW i stated that i would east my ball sack if they did ship EVERY unit in that time period

I think my ball sack is pretty safe at this point

Ha.
I would've bet BTC on it

[cdog]

For BFL to clear their backlog before 2014 its gonna take a miracle, I could easily see them not clearing the backlog for another 8-12 months.

At which point, you will have an "option" to apply your old order to an "upgraded" V2 ASIC, for a few $ more. Will be shipping within 2 weeks. Promise.

[Xian01]

For BFL to clear their backlog before 2014 its gonna take a miracle, I could easily see them not clearing the backlog for another 8-12 months.
At which point, you will have an "option" to apply your old order to an "upgraded" V2 ASIC, for a few $ more. Will be shipping within 2 weeks. Promise.

 Taking this a bit further, I speculate that we will be taking delivery of Avalon and ASICMiner gen 2 hardware before America's favorite Bitcoin ASIC company finishes shipping their backlog of gen 1 ASIC orders on their current production schedule.

[SimonBelmond]

Does everyone have to wait the 100 days it takes BFL to get a new chip order in?

Yup.....

We are ~40-45 days into the 90 days every unit will be shipped from the queue...

BTW i stated that i would east my ball sack if they did ship EVERY unit in that time period

I think my ball sack is pretty safe at this point

Your ball sack is safe anyway. In the Bitcoin Universe no one has to keep word.

Josh didn't commit Seppuku when BFL failed to deliver before April 2013. BFL didn't donate to charity when they failed their 1GHash/Watt promise.

Wild Wild West. Full of them cowboys.

I also don't like what they are doing communication and delivery wise. However, they have founded the Bitcoin Development Fund and have filled the Fund with initial 1000 BTC. http://www.bitcoindf.org/

[Syke]

Josh didn't commit Seppuku when BFL failed to deliver before April 2013. BFL didn't donate to charity when they failed their 1GHash/Watt promise.

I also don't like what they are doing communication and delivery wise. However, they have founded the Bitcoin Development Fund and have filled the Fund with initial 1000 BTC. http://www.bitcoindf.org/

This "Bitcoin Development Fund" isn't a charity.