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December 09, 2017, 02:56:26 PM
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I think if an online casino operates longer than 2 years than it's legal, otherwise authorities would find a way to deal with it.

No. How can a casino be "legal" without the proper paper work and licenses even if it operated for more than 2 years?

But with that in mind, they are not "illegal" either. They are in the gray area, and in the same situation with Bitcoin exchanges.

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Where it is legal is another question. Like above posters said they may be registered in offshore countries and then, technically you don't have the right to play there if it's not permitted in your country, but of course gamblers can find a way to go round the restrictions. Smiley

It is easier to go around the hoops with Bitcoin which makes it the future for online gambling. Smiley

I think users should care more about whether a casino illegal or not, rather than whether it's legal or not. Like it is stated in the The Ethics Of Capitalism: `If It's Not Illegal, It's Legal'. If something is not prohibited by the law, you can do it. That's why I think when a casino is operating longer than 2 years it means that there is no legal basis to close it in the given territory.

I think it is a little more intricate and complicated than that. What I mean is that a casino may be illegal in one jurisdiction, as many online casinos are in the US and Canada, and totally legal in some other. So you can't just say if it's not illegal, then it's legal. There are more options available because it can be both legal and illegal at the same time very much like the famous Schrodinger's cat which can be simultaneously dead and alive.
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December 09, 2017, 03:04:27 PM
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You know, have the correct licenses, etc.  Just curious. 

The biggest ones, often requiring identification too, are mostly legal.
The vast majority of the smaller ones definitely aren't though and with a good reason: It's way too much work for a small casino!

Anyways, like others have said, it differs per country. Not only your's, but also the country the casino is being operated from. I'd say it doesn't really matter though.
You can probably trust the bigger ones that they got the right papers and the smaller ones most likely won't be shut down by the government either.

Anyways, back to your question: Big ones, a lot. Small ones, almost none.

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December 09, 2017, 03:07:21 PM
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You know, have the correct licenses, etc.  Just curious. 

The biggest ones, often requiring identification too, are mostly legal.
The vast majority of the smaller ones definitely aren't though and with a good reason: It's way too much work for a small casino!


Cryptocurrencies especially make it easy to avoid going through the legal work.
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December 09, 2017, 03:24:48 PM
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I think if an online casino operates longer than 2 years than it's legal, otherwise authorities would find a way to deal with it.

No. How can a casino be "legal" without the proper paper work and licenses even if it operated for more than 2 years?

But with that in mind, they are not "illegal" either. They are in the gray area, and in the same situation with Bitcoin exchanges.

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Where it is legal is another question. Like above posters said they may be registered in offshore countries and then, technically you don't have the right to play there if it's not permitted in your country, but of course gamblers can find a way to go round the restrictions. Smiley

It is easier to go around the hoops with Bitcoin which makes it the future for online gambling. Smiley

I think users should care more about whether a casino illegal or not, rather than whether it's legal or not. Like it is stated in the The Ethics Of Capitalism: `If It's Not Illegal, It's Legal'. If something is not prohibited by the law, you can do it. That's why I think when a casino is operating longer than 2 years it means that there is no legal basis to close it in the given territory.

I think it is a little more intricate and complicated than that. What I mean is that a casino may be illegal in one jurisdiction, as many online casinos are in the US and Canada, and totally legal in some other. So you can't just say if it's not illegal, then it's legal. There are more options available because it can be both legal and illegal at the same time very much like the famous Schrodinger's cat which can be simultaneously dead and alive.

LOL did you seriously just compare a simple question about online casino legality to the incresibly complex problem of Schroedinger's Cat?
Again, LOL

That is funny, but you do have a point. Depending on which state something can be considered illegal in the state but federally legal, and vice-versa.
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December 09, 2017, 04:00:37 PM
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I think if an online casino operates longer than 2 years than it's legal, otherwise authorities would find a way to deal with it. Where it is legal is another question. Like above posters said they may be registered in offshore countries and then, technically you don't have the right to play there if it's not permitted in your country, but of course gamblers can find a way to go round the restrictions. Smiley

I do not think that you can say like that easy, there are many sites that operate more than 2 years turn out scam everyone out, saying that they being hacked or say any other thing which is unreasonable. You need to have some solid proof for this license but in bitcoin industry I do not think that they want to give out the real data because we need this anonymous

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December 09, 2017, 06:11:21 PM
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They are completely legal, as they do not violate the laws of their jurisdiction.
They do not need to buy licenses and pay taxes.
The server, the Internet and the software product are all that is needed for a full-fledged work.
I think you are wrong on this matter. Take Primedice as an example. It is forbidden in USA to gamble online, but that's not the matter now. The casino is registered in Japan (form what I've found on the Internet), where some forms of land-based gambling are allowed and "Japanese government allows online betting for lottery, soccer toto, and public sport". I don't think dice is any of the above and yet, as the law on gambling is enforced rarely, they keep going.
Even if I'm wrong about PrimeDice, I am sure most of casinos are operating half-legal, mostly being registered in the countries without certain laws on gambling.

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December 10, 2017, 05:28:26 AM
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We can't really count how many sites are legal. It depends on how you see this. It is consider legal as long as there is no violation in any laws, paid taxes or atleast has papers to proved that their government or jurisdiction allow them to operate like liscenses. But in my opinion to be sure that the casino you want to play is considered legal is by the length of service and the place where it put. Like near cities or easy to locate.
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December 10, 2017, 10:21:38 AM
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I think if an online casino operates longer than 2 years than it's legal, otherwise authorities would find a way to deal with it.

No. How can a casino be "legal" without the proper paper work and licenses even if it operated for more than 2 years?

But with that in mind, they are not "illegal" either. They are in the gray area, and in the same situation with Bitcoin exchanges.

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Where it is legal is another question. Like above posters said they may be registered in offshore countries and then, technically you don't have the right to play there if it's not permitted in your country, but of course gamblers can find a way to go round the restrictions. Smiley

It is easier to go around the hoops with Bitcoin which makes it the future for online gambling. Smiley

I think users should care more about whether a casino illegal or not, rather than whether it's legal or not. Like it is stated in the The Ethics Of Capitalism: `If It's Not Illegal, It's Legal'. If something is not prohibited by the law, you can do it. That's why I think when a casino is operating longer than 2 years it means that there is no legal basis to close it in the given territory.

I think it is a little more intricate and complicated than that. What I mean is that a casino may be illegal in one jurisdiction, as many online casinos are in the US and Canada, and totally legal in some other. So you can't just say if it's not illegal, then it's legal. There are more options available because it can be both legal and illegal at the same time very much like the famous Schrodinger's cat which can be simultaneously dead and alive.

LOL did you seriously just compare a simple question about online casino legality to the incresibly complex problem of Schroedinger's Cat?
Again, LOL

I certainly understand what you are getting at, but I still have to disagree with you. Sometimes, legality issues are no less complex than the problems of quantum mechanics, which a problem of Schroedinger's cat belongs to, up to a point where two courts of law resolve a dispute with two opposite decisions on what otherwise would be the same case. Personally, I can't give a better analogy that demonstrates the complexity of such issues. As to me, it fits perfectly. The judicial cat is both dead and alive at the same time.

That is funny, but you do have a point. Depending on which state something can be considered illegal in the state but federally legal, and vice-versa.

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December 10, 2017, 11:46:25 AM
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Well firstly you must ask yourself what makes a casino legal? You do not need a license for crypto currency casinos since bitcoin is not recognized as an official currency therefore there no laws about it. Some call this a loophole. It is not a loophole it is simply the law and how it works. Just as well for crypto casino owners since licenses are very expensive. Also there is high anonymous activity on crypto casinos and so they don't have to worry about underage gamblers nor can they get into trouble for having underage gamblers because they not supposed to he gambling and you take an agreement before you okay that says you are if legal age for your duristriction.


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December 12, 2017, 11:05:13 AM
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I think if an online casino operates longer than 2 years than it's legal, otherwise authorities would find a way to deal with it.

No. How can a casino be "legal" without the proper paper work and licenses even if it operated for more than 2 years?

But with that in mind, they are not "illegal" either. They are in the gray area, and in the same situation with Bitcoin exchanges.

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Where it is legal is another question. Like above posters said they may be registered in offshore countries and then, technically you don't have the right to play there if it's not permitted in your country, but of course gamblers can find a way to go round the restrictions. Smiley

It is easier to go around the hoops with Bitcoin which makes it the future for online gambling. Smiley

I think users should care more about whether a casino illegal or not, rather than whether it's legal or not. Like it is stated in the The Ethics Of Capitalism: `If It's Not Illegal, It's Legal'. If something is not prohibited by the law, you can do it. That's why I think when a casino is operating longer than 2 years it means that there is no legal basis to close it in the given territory.

I think it is a little more intricate and complicated than that. What I mean is that a casino may be illegal in one jurisdiction, as many online casinos are in the US and Canada, and totally legal in some other. So you can't just say if it's not illegal, then it's legal.   ~

I think I can. If an online casino is illegal in the US then it's illegal in the given territory. As simple as that. Yes, you can play there using VPN or whatever, knowing that it's a minor crime and even in the worst case scenario you won't be punished hard, but you can't say it's legal and illegal simultaneously.

If smoking weed is legal in Amsterdam you can't do it in the United Arab Emirates saying " it's legal and illegal simultaneously", you risk to spend several years in jail if you get caught with weed there.

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December 12, 2017, 12:51:45 PM
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Licenses and permits I think is not necessary when it comes to cryptocurrency in which everything you do in the real world has permits and licenses issued by the government. Everything you do will be monitored by the government. Unlike here you just need to possess a good skill set where you can develop your own program and the mindset not to trick or fool someone providing a reliable transaction.
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December 12, 2017, 02:36:34 PM
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Technically speaking if you run an online betting site that is accessible from the UK then you need a license from the UK government.  I don't really think it matters if its BTC or not?
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December 12, 2017, 05:47:34 PM
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Technically speaking if you run an online betting site that is accessible from the UK then you need a license from the UK government.  I don't really think it matters if its BTC or not?
But right now few are running from offshore countries and have no legal paper works just because of this they need to change terms mostly as new laws coming in few countries if any site have license surely they are going to post this on front page with Golden words but currenlty no site done this
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December 12, 2017, 06:27:43 PM
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Technically speaking if you run an online betting site that is accessible from the UK then you need a license from the UK government.  I don't really think it matters if its BTC or not?

Well, there seems to be a loophole, because in my country you also need to get a license to operate in it and if I try to sign up a site without a license I can’t. However, I’m able to access crypto sites.

I researched information on the subject and what seems to be happening is that as cryptos are not considered legal tender, there isn’t a clear ban on them, although some jurists would say that they need the same requirements as fiat sites. In the meantime, we can access them.
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December 12, 2017, 09:21:44 PM
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I guess most of the casinos don't have complete papers to run their bsiness and they still have legality issues I'm sure there is a restrictions with regards to game to be played which these casinos did not declare upon application for permits. But they are legal in a sense that governments know they are operating.

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December 13, 2017, 05:30:00 AM
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I think if an online casino operates longer than 2 years than it's legal, otherwise authorities would find a way to deal with it.

No. How can a casino be "legal" without the proper paper work and licenses even if it operated for more than 2 years?

But with that in mind, they are not "illegal" either. They are in the gray area, and in the same situation with Bitcoin exchanges.

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Where it is legal is another question. Like above posters said they may be registered in offshore countries and then, technically you don't have the right to play there if it's not permitted in your country, but of course gamblers can find a way to go round the restrictions. Smiley

It is easier to go around the hoops with Bitcoin which makes it the future for online gambling. Smiley

I think users should care more about whether a casino illegal or not, rather than whether it's legal or not. Like it is stated in the The Ethics Of Capitalism: `If It's Not Illegal, It's Legal'. If something is not prohibited by the law, you can do it. That's why I think when a casino is operating longer than 2 years it means that there is no legal basis to close it in the given territory.

I think it is a little more intricate and complicated than that. What I mean is that a casino may be illegal in one jurisdiction, as many online casinos are in the US and Canada, and totally legal in some other. So you can't just say if it's not illegal, then it's legal.   ~

I think I can. If an online casino is illegal in the US then it's illegal in the given territory. As simple as that. Yes, you can play there using VPN or whatever, knowing that it's a minor crime and even in the worst case scenario you won't be punished hard, but you can't say it's legal and illegal simultaneously.

If smoking weed is legal in Amsterdam you can't do it in the United Arab Emirates saying " it's legal and illegal simultaneously", you risk to spend several years in jail if you get caught with weed there.

But this is not what you were saying at first. You said that some Ethics Of Capitalism declare that "if it's not illegal, then it's legal". Obviously, this is not that simple and definitely not universal. Now you come to say that it depends on territory. Well, what about gray areas then? Then again, in many jurisdictions anything is far from being legal just because it is not officially illegal.

On the other hand, weed is allowed in many States and forbidden in many others, so what about the whole US? Can we say whether it is legal or not in the US without going specific? Can't we say that weed is both legal and illegal there?
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I think if an online casino operates longer than 2 years than it's legal, otherwise authorities would find a way to deal with it.

No. How can a casino be "legal" without the proper paper work and licenses even if it operated for more than 2 years?

But with that in mind, they are not "illegal" either. They are in the gray area, and in the same situation with Bitcoin exchanges.

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Where it is legal is another question. Like above posters said they may be registered in offshore countries and then, technically you don't have the right to play there if it's not permitted in your country, but of course gamblers can find a way to go round the restrictions. Smiley

It is easier to go around the hoops with Bitcoin which makes it the future for online gambling. Smiley

I think users should care more about whether a casino illegal or not, rather than whether it's legal or not. Like it is stated in the The Ethics Of Capitalism: `If It's Not Illegal, It's Legal'. If something is not prohibited by the law, you can do it. That's why I think when a casino is operating longer than 2 years it means that there is no legal basis to close it in the given territory.

I think it is a little more intricate and complicated than that. What I mean is that a casino may be illegal in one jurisdiction, as many online casinos are in the US and Canada, and totally legal in some other. So you can't just say if it's not illegal, then it's legal.   ~

I think I can. If an online casino is illegal in the US then it's illegal in the given territory. As simple as that. Yes, you can play there using VPN or whatever, knowing that it's a minor crime and even in the worst case scenario you won't be punished hard, but you can't say it's legal and illegal simultaneously.

If smoking weed is legal in Amsterdam you can't do it in the United Arab Emirates saying " it's legal and illegal simultaneously", you risk to spend several years in jail if you get caught with weed there.

But this is not what you were saying at first. You said that some Ethics Of Capitalism declare that "if it's not illegal, then it's legal". Obviously, this is not that simple and definitely not universal. Now you come to say that it depends on territory. Well, what about gray areas then? Then again, in many jurisdictions anything is far from being legal just because it is not officially illegal.

On the other hand, weed is allowed in many States and forbidden in many others, so what about the whole US? Can we say whether it is legal or not in the US without going specific? Can't we say that weed is both legal and illegal there?

All right, let's paraphrase The Ethics Of Capitalism: `If it's not illegal in a given territory, it's legal there'. That's what I meant from the beginning. I thought it's obvious that when we are talking about legality of something we mean legality in a given territory. How else could it be?

Yes, we can't  say whether something is legal or not in the US without going specific. We should always specify where, because the laws in different states are very different.

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December 13, 2017, 10:48:16 AM
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I think users should care more about whether a casino illegal or not, rather than whether it's legal or not. Like it is stated in the The Ethics Of Capitalism: `If It's Not Illegal, It's Legal'. If something is not prohibited by the law, you can do it. That's why I think when a casino is operating longer than 2 years it means that there is no legal basis to close it in the given territory.

I think it is a little more intricate and complicated than that. What I mean is that a casino may be illegal in one jurisdiction, as many online casinos are in the US and Canada, and totally legal in some other. So you can't just say if it's not illegal, then it's legal.   ~

I think I can. If an online casino is illegal in the US then it's illegal in the given territory. As simple as that. Yes, you can play there using VPN or whatever, knowing that it's a minor crime and even in the worst case scenario you won't be punished hard, but you can't say it's legal and illegal simultaneously.

If smoking weed is legal in Amsterdam you can't do it in the United Arab Emirates saying " it's legal and illegal simultaneously", you risk to spend several years in jail if you get caught with weed there.

But this is not what you were saying at first. You said that some Ethics Of Capitalism declare that "if it's not illegal, then it's legal". Obviously, this is not that simple and definitely not universal. Now you come to say that it depends on territory. Well, what about gray areas then? Then again, in many jurisdictions anything is far from being legal just because it is not officially illegal.

On the other hand, weed is allowed in many States and forbidden in many others, so what about the whole US? Can we say whether it is legal or not in the US without going specific? Can't we say that weed is both legal and illegal there?

All right, let's paraphrase The Ethics Of Capitalism: `If it's not illegal in a given territory, it's legal there'. That's what I meant from the beginning. I thought it's obvious that when we are talking about legality of something we mean legality in a given territory. How else could it be?

Yes, we can't  say whether something is legal or not in the US without going specific. We should always specify where, because the laws in different states are very different.

But this so-called Ethics Of Capitalism is not a law code, is it? What I mean to say is that this system is not a given. I mean in certain territories or jurisdictions something which is not declared as illegal by the law is not automatically legal. I don't know how this thing is properly called, but it is definitely far from being universal. To cut a long story short, there are gray areas where something cannot be called either legal or illegal. That's why it can be sort of dead and alive at the same time just like Schrodinger's famous cat, to wit legal and illegal.
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You know, have the correct licenses, etc.  Just curious. 

For me i dont know how to identify the correct license but in terms of saying how to determine the gambling games like casino is legal is if they operate the gambling area or games without an pending warrant or closer coming from the government notice,for me this is the way to determine that there gambling site's is legal.

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I think users should care more about whether a casino illegal or not, rather than whether it's legal or not. Like it is stated in the The Ethics Of Capitalism: `If It's Not Illegal, It's Legal'. If something is not prohibited by the law, you can do it. That's why I think when a casino is operating longer than 2 years it means that there is no legal basis to close it in the given territory.

I think it is a little more intricate and complicated than that. What I mean is that a casino may be illegal in one jurisdiction, as many online casinos are in the US and Canada, and totally legal in some other. So you can't just say if it's not illegal, then it's legal.   ~

I think I can. If an online casino is illegal in the US then it's illegal in the given territory. As simple as that. Yes, you can play there using VPN or whatever, knowing that it's a minor crime and even in the worst case scenario you won't be punished hard, but you can't say it's legal and illegal simultaneously.

If smoking weed is legal in Amsterdam you can't do it in the United Arab Emirates saying " it's legal and illegal simultaneously", you risk to spend several years in jail if you get caught with weed there.

But this is not what you were saying at first. You said that some Ethics Of Capitalism declare that "if it's not illegal, then it's legal". Obviously, this is not that simple and definitely not universal. Now you come to say that it depends on territory. Well, what about gray areas then? Then again, in many jurisdictions anything is far from being legal just because it is not officially illegal.

On the other hand, weed is allowed in many States and forbidden in many others, so what about the whole US? Can we say whether it is legal or not in the US without going specific? Can't we say that weed is both legal and illegal there?

All right, let's paraphrase The Ethics Of Capitalism: `If it's not illegal in a given territory, it's legal there'. That's what I meant from the beginning. I thought it's obvious that when we are talking about legality of something we mean legality in a given territory. How else could it be?

Yes, we can't  say whether something is legal or not in the US without going specific. We should always specify where, because the laws in different states are very different.

But this so-called Ethics Of Capitalism is not a law code, is it? What I mean to say is that this system is not a given. I mean in certain territories or jurisdictions something which is not declared as illegal by the law is not automatically legal. I don't know how this thing is properly called, but it is definitely far from being universal. To cut a long story short, there are gray areas where something cannot be called either legal or illegal. That's why it can be sort of dead and alive at the same time just like Schrodinger's famous cat, to wit legal and illegal.

I think you are wrong here. With proper legal proceedings you will never be put in jail for doing something which is not declared as illegal. The prosecutor should say what law have you broken or otherwise you are free to go. If someone says "I'm innocent" then he's innocent unless it is proved otherwise. ...

If you can provide any examples to prove your point, namely that  "there are gray areas where something cannot be called either legal or illegal.", please do so, because I don't think there are such areas.

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