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December 07, 2017, 07:41:25 PM
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5. Forbid all signature campaign or disable signature feature (fastest solution).

Ok, United Traders  Grin

No, you're right actually.

Allthough I'm in the middle of my first bounty campaign (in about 4 years), I'd say: stop them.  There is too much to be gained by bounties.  As BTC has become world news and this is THE forum where there's money to be made from bounties: it won't stop, it will just get worse...


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December 08, 2017, 06:15:08 AM
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5. Forbid all signature campaign or disable signature feature (fastest solution).

That would be the best solution.
Some think that the forum will loose memebers. It wont.
It will get rid people that are just here to spam. The ones that are interested in Bitcoin will stay
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December 09, 2017, 02:47:37 PM
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(Hopefully you even notice this thread amongst all the spam threads here)

Theymos, it is reaching a critical level.   Undecided

From my BPIP parsing, I can tell you are getting several new signups per minute

I've been telling him this for the past year plus. It's pretty much wall-to-wall shitposting right now and 99% people posting here now are doing so just to get paid in the quickest and easiest way possible and that's all they care about. The news that you can earn good money here by merely posting shit (or copy and pasting) must be spreading like wildfire through developing nations and specifically South East Asia. You literally get schoolkids and their entire families signing up here on multiple accounts and hence why they forum is such a shit show of barely legible crap and just gets worse month by month.

These accounts are immediately posting as often as they can, using simple one liners that don't contribute and in some cases are completely off topic. 

Tell me about it. They stand out a mile off because if you check their post history they're always just one or two liners because that's the minimum they feel they have to write for it to not constitute 'spam'. They're wrong.

They post once on a thread then never go back.  This is making normal conversation difficult. 

I call these users hit-and-runners. They make a quick post and have absolutely no interest in contributing to the discussion and 9/10 you will never get a response if you quote them. Actually replying to a post with a relevant and well-thought out response is obviously too much effort for them.

Is there anything in the works to combat this?

Yes. Tackle the problem at the source. If a shitcoin campaign comes here and does nothing about spam and pays users to post or copy and paste whatever crap they can be bothered to make their accounts should be banned, their ICO threads trashed and they should not be permitted to advertise here any longer. This is what was meant to happen with the signature guidelines thread I came up with but so far theymos hasn't responded to any requests for him to enforce it against problem campaigns sadly.

ICO campaigns would soon get the message if this started happening but because they can get away with sheer laziness they will continue to abuse the system here and that's why things need to change because it's pure shit smeared from wall to wall right now by one-line shitposters and desperate account farmers trying to rank up their accounts as fast as they can.

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December 09, 2017, 02:52:24 PM
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Sounds to me in addition to new rules, enforcement of old/new rules, new Mods need to be recruited. It appears you guys are overwhelmed.

When the subject of buying BTC with Paypal comes up, I often remember this: 

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

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December 09, 2017, 03:15:36 PM
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Sounds to me in addition to new rules, enforcement of old/new rules, new Mods need to be recruited. It appears you guys are overwhelmed.

Workload does need to be distributed as there's only so much certain staff members have the power to do. I've suggested all these things to theymos but he's very slow to react. He finally added mprep as a new Global but hasn't given him temp banning powers yet which is vital really. I suspect theymos is the most overwhelmed of us all to be honest but it's why more powers/responsibility need to be delegated to other staff members.

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December 09, 2017, 08:08:02 PM
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Doing some projects involving 'shilling' detection.  Little toy projects.

Not that it would establish a litmus test for shitposters but data mining and data visualization might leads to fun and fruitful new approaches to modeling and detecting shitposts and shitposters.

A hurdle right now is that I don't have much labeled data.   If we could somehow come up with a list of shitposters and a list of legit peeps then I could do all sorts of finger waving magical data mining sorcery.

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December 09, 2017, 08:25:02 PM
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A hurdle right now is that I don't have much labeled data.   If we could somehow come up with a list of shitposters
Vod has recently started making a red list. The only problem with this is that they'll abandon the tagged account and create the next one.

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December 09, 2017, 08:46:02 PM
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A hurdle right now is that I don't have much labeled data.   If we could somehow come up with a list of shitposters
Vod has recently started making a red list. The only problem with this is that they'll abandon the tagged account and create the next one.

It would be used for training a classifier to detect and predict unknowns.

They would have to find out what identifies them as shitposter and change behavior rather than change accounts.  A cat and mouse game can actually start where adversaries try to trick classifiers and classifiers adapt and even anticipate these changes.

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December 09, 2017, 10:41:35 PM
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Are you people Blind?

You Bitch and complain about this problem all the time and don't get what the bottom line actually is. theymos is making money by all the spammers and new accounts. it makes the forum Valuable in the eyes of investors(Advertisers)

Do you not understand this very simple Equation?  He will NEVER solve this problem by banning Sig. Ad spamming because he is making shit tons of money.

Now shut the fuck up and stop complaining. Or you can bitch directly to him Via PM's

You People who complain about this are WORSE than the fucking idiots begging for their banned/Hacked accounts back. You are contributing to the spamming problems with your own BS threads about this.



Shut the fuck up already
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December 09, 2017, 11:00:31 PM
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Are you people Blind?

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Shut the fuck up already

Why so angry? Aren't you the guy who was writing sob stories about how you're going to die soon?

Anyway, more registered accounts, more posts per minute, more active users, more searches, it all increases the value of the forum and it means more money for everyone, the spammers, advertisers, account traders, theymos... Free market is a bitch.

A hurdle right now is that I don't have much labeled data.   If we could somehow come up with a list of shitposters
Vod has recently started making a red list. The only problem with this is that they'll abandon the tagged account and create the next one.

It's a great idea + for the effort. They will make new accounts but it brings them back to posting restrictions that are annoying as hell and wastes some of their precious time.
You can focus on member + accounts to make tagging more efficient. Losing a high level account or a bought one will definitely hurt them.

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December 09, 2017, 11:24:49 PM
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Are you people Blind?

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Shut the fuck up already

Why so angry? Aren't you the guy who was writing sob stories about how you're going to die soon?

What the hell are you talking about???
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December 09, 2017, 11:40:39 PM
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Vod, I saw you tagged a user for shitposting, and I think that's a great idea for someone in DT to do.  I've said it in another thread that this will disqualify shitposters from a lot of campaigns, and mods are definitely not banning all of them.  That's understandable and I'm not blaming mods for anything.  There are so many new shitposters, it's unreal and there's no way staff would see them all, and there are almost too many to report.  So props to Vod.


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December 09, 2017, 11:55:04 PM
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Vod, I saw you tagged a user for shitposting, and I think that's a great idea for someone in DT to do.  I've said it in another thread that this will disqualify shitposters from a lot of campaigns, and mods are definitely not banning all of them.  That's understandable and I'm not blaming mods for anything.  There are so many new shitposters, it's unreal and there's no way staff would see them all, and there are almost too many to report.  So props to Vod.

Your post was the #32 reply to this thread and the #14 reply by a PAID sig. Ad. user what is that like almost 37% replies by a PAID user? I guess that shows where the problem lies.

What's your paid post count now?  Cheesy
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December 09, 2017, 11:57:58 PM
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Just create 1 anything goes section on the forum where it is coded not to show signatures..

Then you can see where the free market flows and go from there, if it is popular, it could then be subdivided into more specific sections..


It could give real important and intelligent conversations a safe haven from being steamrolled by shitposts..  

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December 10, 2017, 12:10:35 AM
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Are you people Blind?

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Shut the fuck up already

Why so angry? Aren't you the guy who was writing sob stories about how you're going to die soon?

What the hell are you talking about???

You know what I'm talking about. Your cancer story. Have you already forgotten about that?

Vod, I saw you tagged a user for shitposting, and I think that's a great idea for someone in DT to do.  I've said it in another thread that this will disqualify shitposters from a lot of campaigns, and mods are definitely not banning all of them.  That's understandable and I'm not blaming mods for anything.  There are so many new shitposters, it's unreal and there's no way staff would see them all, and there are almost too many to report.  So props to Vod.

Your post was the #32 reply to this thread and the #14 reply by a PAID sig. Ad. user what is that like almost 37% replies by a PAID user? I guess that shows where the problem lies.

What's your paid post count now?  Cheesy

Talking like a true anti- signature activist but you weren't like that in the old days. You have tried to rent out (or whore out like some people like to call it) your signature in the past, but now it's suddenly above your level.

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December 10, 2017, 01:01:39 AM
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I have stopped reporting anything, it's pointless, the forum rules are no being enforced at all.

I have reported some users dozens of times for posting worthless oneliners or using russia/thai/whatever language and all that happens is that their post get deleted and they just continue to break the rules as if nothing has happened and this has been going on for years.

Majority of the forum is being treated basically as off-topic board where everything goes and majority of the longtime community has obviously stopped caring.
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December 10, 2017, 01:30:05 AM
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I have stopped reporting anything, it's pointless, the forum rules are no being enforced at all.

I have reported some users dozens of times for posting worthless oneliners or using russia/thai/whatever language and all that happens is that their post get deleted and they just continue to break the rules as if nothing has happened and this has been going on for years.

Majority of the forum is being treated basically as off-topic board where everything goes and majority of the longtime community has obviously stopped caring.

You should probably take a look at the modlog if you think that nothing is being done: https://bitcointalk.org/modlog.php

As you can see, recently there's been more than 50 bans in succession. Certain posts aren't a ban offense straight off the bat and deleted posts are a sort of warning. If they continue they'll get banned even if it takes a few reports. Without your reports and others then the alt coin section is just going to get even more overrun that it already is.
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December 10, 2017, 01:45:02 AM
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If they continue they'll get banned even if it takes a few reports.

In my experience this simply isn't true. There are users I have reported for literally years and still they keep on breaking the rules.
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December 10, 2017, 01:50:08 AM
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If they continue they'll get banned even if it takes a few reports.

In my experience this simply isn't true. There are users I have reported for literally years and still they keep on breaking the rules.

I guess it depends on what they are being reported for. But, if they are being reported for spam for example then mentioned in the report field that they have made several of these kinds of posts in various different threads. The moderator dealing with the report can then verify this for themselves which may result in a ban if they agree that the user isn't learning and just continues to spam.

I've included this message for a few people whilst reporting and normally watch the modlog for their user ID.
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December 10, 2017, 05:53:08 AM
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Vod, I saw you tagged a user for shitposting, and I think that's a great idea for someone in DT to do.  I've said it in another thread that this will disqualify shitposters from a lot of campaigns, and mods are definitely not banning all of them.  That's understandable and I'm not blaming mods for anything.  There are so many new shitposters, it's unreal and there's no way staff would see them all, and there are almost too many to report.  So props to Vod.

Your post was the #32 reply to this thread and the #14 reply by a PAID sig. Ad. user what is that like almost 37% replies by a PAID user? I guess that shows where the problem lies.

What's your paid post count now?  Cheesy
The campaign I'm in doesn't pay for posts in meta, you dumbass.  I've been concerned about this problem for quite a while.  I'm not part of the problem here--but my opinion is obviously quite biased.  I've reported a lot of posts, and I don't get paid for that.  Ignoramus.


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