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June 18, 2019, 10:50:14 AM
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The debate is still on-going if large investments from institutional firms, would be good or bad for Bitcoin in the long run. Some are saying it will bring more volatility <price manipulation> and others are just happy that the price will probably go to the Moon.

There are also conspiracy theories doing the rounds that these institutions will use their financial powers to destroy Bitcoin. <Buying large quantities and also dumping large quantities>

Some are even saying that the small fish will be eaten by the big sharks. Let's consider the impact of this and how this will change the Bitcoin scene.

Will Bitcoin go 100% commodity & store of value or will it still be used as a currency? 


when the price of BTC increases to $ 20k, it is also because these manipulators create it. when the price of BTC drops to $ 3k3, it is also due to these manipulating organizations.
But this was natural. Without them, the value of BTC will not increase as high as now. If the SEC joins and dissolves all of these organizations, I guarantee that there will be lots of traders losing money. simply because when these institutions withdraw capital, it will make the whole market go down because the price of the BTC will drop very sharply.
And no one will want to invest in BTC anymore because basically BTC is not the best coin. The transaction is very slow and the fee is very high.
so we should get used to being manipulated.

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June 19, 2019, 08:23:29 AM
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Depends on how they get into crypto to begin with. For example when they bitcoin in bulk and increase the price it always worries me because they are literally pumping the price but there is no way of knowing if they will dump it or not.

For example, if they could buy bitcoin all together at the same time but sell little by little everyday that could work. However if they invest the money into crypto infastructure that would be awesome, I would love to have couple billion dollars worth exchanges in each country doing hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of profit everyday and dapps and ICO's and many other things basically making crypto space alive and pumping action because that would also result with good prices without any trouble of dumping coming up some day.

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June 19, 2019, 10:08:13 AM
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It will definitely create market manipulation, but at the end (when the market cap becomes high enough) it will bring more stability as more capitalization brings less chances of manipulation. Look at Forex, the most liquid market out there. How much cash do you need to move it in either direction just a few pips?
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June 19, 2019, 10:21:17 AM
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The debate is still on-going if large investments from institutional firms, would be good or bad for Bitcoin in the long run. Some are saying it will bring more volatility <price manipulation> and others are just happy that the price will probably go to the Moon.

There are also conspiracy theories doing the rounds that these institutions will use their financial powers to destroy Bitcoin. <Buying large quantities and also dumping large quantities>

Some are even saying that the small fish will be eaten by the big sharks. Let's consider the impact of this and how this will change the Bitcoin scene.

Will Bitcoin go 100% commodity & store of value or will it still be used as a currency? 


when the price of BTC increases to $ 20k, it is also because these manipulators create it. when the price of BTC drops to $ 3k3, it is also due to these manipulating organizations.
But this was natural. Without them, the value of BTC will not increase as high as now. If the SEC joins and dissolves all of these organizations, I guarantee that there will be lots of traders losing money. simply because when these institutions withdraw capital, it will make the whole market go down because the price of the BTC will drop very sharply.
And no one will want to invest in BTC anymore because basically BTC is not the best coin. The transaction is very slow and the fee is very high.
so we should get used to being manipulated.

The SEC is not going to close the doors of services that adhere to KYC/AML regulations. They might close the services that are not regulated or those companies trading without approval.

There are legal and illegal manipulation in all markets and if you have enough goods or fiat to manipulate the price in your favour, then you will do that, I know maze farmers who are working together to manipulate the price of maze on the market and it is perfectly legal in my country.  Roll Eyes

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June 19, 2019, 03:12:05 PM
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Institutional capital is diffidently good for market because with institutional money we can expect more market capitalization and more new industries and new exposure markets will get
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June 19, 2019, 04:55:40 PM
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Institutional capital is necessary for a more stable and liquid market of cryptocurrency. More so better laws will be make that will make investing very friendly. I hope all hurdles are overcome and the big banks finally bow out.
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June 19, 2019, 05:31:25 PM
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The debate is still on-going if large investments from institutional firms, would be good or bad for Bitcoin in the long run. Some are saying it will bring more volatility <price manipulation> and others are just happy that the price will probably go to the Moon.

There are also conspiracy theories doing the rounds that these institutions will use their financial powers to destroy Bitcoin. <Buying large quantities and also dumping large quantities>

Some are even saying that the small fish will be eaten by the big sharks. Let's consider the impact of this and how this will change the Bitcoin scene.

Will Bitcoin go 100% commodity & store of value or will it still be used as a currency? 


well it depends how you look at it. In my opinion institutional investors are the big fish which could drive bitcoin become more popular and that means more investors and also more use cases which could turn out to push bitcoin price. I do also think institutional investors are long term investors that will make bitcoin grow slowly and also reduce the fluctuation.

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June 19, 2019, 06:07:51 PM
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Institutional capital is necessary for a more stable and liquid market of cryptocurrency. More so better laws will be make that will make investing very friendly. I hope all hurdles are overcome and the big banks finally bow out.
Not to break out your positivity towards this possible scenario but I would tell you this that its really hard to believe

on where traditional money would purely switch to crypto since we do know that they are more focused or much preferred
to make investment into things like forex,stocks and indices.

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June 19, 2019, 06:17:24 PM
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Bitcoin is for all and not for one, but I believe institutions acquiring large sum of bitcoin has either the good or bad purpose for such investments. The good part is that some of the investments might be for setting up and integrating certain purpose for blockchain while the bad part is likely to be for personal gains and price manipulation regardless of the two reasons bitcoin adoption should be our main focus.

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June 19, 2019, 08:01:05 PM
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The debate is still on-going if large investments from institutional firms, would be good or bad for Bitcoin in the long run. Some are saying it will bring more volatility <price manipulation> and others are just happy that the price will probably go to the Moon.

Institutional investors will be the BIG losers. They are only making early bitcoin investors rich.
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June 20, 2019, 11:38:36 AM
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The debate is still on-going if large investments from institutional firms, would be good or bad for Bitcoin in the long run. Some are saying it will bring more volatility <price manipulation> and others are just happy that the price will probably go to the Moon.

Institutional investors will be the BIG losers. They are only making early bitcoin investors rich.

The second sentence is true but not the first one. Big institutional investors have the power to MOVE the market at their will, and they are instantly drooling at markets with low cap where they can easily step in and step out at their convenience.
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June 20, 2019, 09:59:38 PM
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Institutional investors will be the BIG losers. They are only making early bitcoin investors rich.
I am not sure what you are implying here, institutional investors will not invest unless they are certain that they can earn bigger profits than the rest of the markets and even if the initial investors become rich who cares if they are getting their profit  Roll Eyes. If you look at any financial market early investors have undue advantage and they will be the biggest earners than the rest of the investors who came in late and there is nothing wrong in that and that is how the world revolves and if you miss the train there is nothing there to be done  Tongue.
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June 21, 2019, 08:25:41 AM
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The debate is still on-going if large investments from institutional firms, would be good or bad for Bitcoin in the long run. Some are saying it will bring more volatility <price manipulation> and others are just happy that the price will probably go to the Moon.

There are also conspiracy theories doing the rounds that these institutions will use their financial powers to destroy Bitcoin. <Buying large quantities and also dumping large quantities>

Some are even saying that the small fish will be eaten by the big sharks. Let's consider the impact of this and how this will change the Bitcoin scene.

Will Bitcoin go 100% commodity & store of value or will it still be used as a currency? 


Uuhm I think there is going to be both the advantages and the disadvantages. Institutions will help to increase the volume of trade for crypto, cause they will be investing and trading huge amounts of money and that means that the cryptocurrency market will be growing really fast in price. But my question is whether they are going to hold their capital in Bitcoin forever? Maybe one day there will be a better option for them and that means that they are going to leave Bitcoin for sure and go for something else, which will cause the market to fall and when it starts falling, smaller investors will start running from it as well, unless they are ready to bear the losses.
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June 21, 2019, 10:25:16 AM
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The debate is still on-going if large investments from institutional firms, would be good or bad for Bitcoin in the long run. Some are saying it will bring more volatility <price manipulation> and others are just happy that the price will probably go to the Moon.

Institutional investors will be the BIG losers. They are only making early bitcoin investors rich.

The second sentence is true but not the first one. Big institutional investors have the power to MOVE the market at their will, and they are instantly drooling at markets with low cap where they can easily step in and step out at their convenience.
A time will come that their power will be limited, I mean when it comes to Bitcoin because for other coins, we will always have new projects that they can use their large funds to manipulate anyhow they like, but as for Bitcoin, the supply will become limited one day, and they will not have much quantity left for them to buy, and the little quantity left will be so damn expensive for them to accumulate.

At the time Bitcoin has limited supply, Bitcoin will be more useful for payment and also as store of value, but pending that time, I think they are still very useful and needed for us to always see the increase we need to make profit from our investment.
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June 21, 2019, 12:04:12 PM
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Institutional capital is necessary for a more stable and liquid market of cryptocurrency. More so better laws will be make that will make investing very friendly. I hope all hurdles are overcome and the big banks finally bow out.

I don't think that's possible. You indirectly want crypto to replace fiat, even now the bank still opposes crypto. And I myself do not agree that later Crypto will be like that, surely it will have a lot of regulations and restrictions so there is no decentralization in crypto because everything is regulated.

I hope fiat and crypto can work together, and balance the world economy. Because both types of currencies have an important role in the world economy.
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June 21, 2019, 01:01:12 PM
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Institutional capital is necessary for a more stable and liquid market of cryptocurrency. More so better laws will be make that will make investing very friendly. I hope all hurdles are overcome and the big banks finally bow out.

I don't think that's possible. You indirectly want crypto to replace fiat, even now the bank still opposes crypto. And I myself do not agree that later Crypto will be like that, surely it will have a lot of regulations and restrictions so there is no decentralization in crypto because everything is regulated.

I hope fiat and crypto can work together, and balance the world economy. Because both types of currencies have an important role in the world economy.
I hope the government has a middle ground so that they are still like their original nature. between centralization and decentralization. it will be the same if bitcoin loses its decentralized nature. so that the development of this technology can be appreciated without dropping the old system


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June 24, 2019, 05:01:38 AM
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Institutional capital is necessary for a more stable and liquid market of cryptocurrency. More so better laws will be make that will make investing very friendly. I hope all hurdles are overcome and the big banks finally bow out.

I don't think that's possible. You indirectly want crypto to replace fiat, even now the bank still opposes crypto. And I myself do not agree that later Crypto will be like that, surely it will have a lot of regulations and restrictions so there is no decentralization in crypto because everything is regulated.

I hope fiat and crypto can work together, and balance the world economy. Because both types of currencies have an important role in the world economy.
We already in the digital age, though the compliance is still quite low now in some parts of the world due to their lack of exposure to technology advancement, but most of the developed countries are exposed to technology and internet technology is like a child’s play to every of their citizens, with this developed countries, it may be possible for cryptocurrency payment to replace fiat since they have the technology to run payment offline.

All needed is for many merchants to strictly go online and stop collecting fiat with the use of crypto atm, and I guess this is why developed countries are more threatened, but for the under developed countries, it will be impossible for them to accept crypto over fiat.

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June 24, 2019, 08:11:45 AM
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The debate is still on-going if large investments from institutional firms, would be good or bad for Bitcoin in the long run. Some are saying it will bring more volatility <price manipulation> and others are just happy that the price will probably go to the Moon.

There are also conspiracy theories doing the rounds that these institutions will use their financial powers to destroy Bitcoin. <Buying large quantities and also dumping large quantities>

Some are even saying that the small fish will be eaten by the big sharks. Let's consider the impact of this and how this will change the Bitcoin scene.

Will Bitcoin go 100% commodity & store of value or will it still be used as a currency?  



This is not new, they have been practicing this already, and the market is still doing fine.
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June 24, 2019, 08:51:33 AM
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Institutional capital is good but for them to have more control on the market is not good IMO.
I still believe that massive adoption is necessary so the price could not easily be manipulated, with institutional capital they have the power just like the whales and I'm afraid from time to time they can shake the market so it will dump and they'll buy.

Thus far, the market is pretty moving based on hype and FUD, but as it gets stronger, trends will certainly change and we need massive adoption for that.
Bitcoin will be not best suit as a good payment system since it's not fast and cheap, but it can be a good store of value.

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June 25, 2019, 04:02:23 PM
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I mean it is the corporations so it is always a bit of a risk for sure but at this stage of bitcoin how can you stop them.
Sometimes arguing about something you can't do anything about is both fun but also very useless, lets say institutional capital is very very bad for bitcoin, can you stop it? Can you slow it down? What can you do about it? Nothing. So why would we care about if it is good or bad if we can't do anything about it.

Maybe instead of focusing on the discussion of good or bad, we should instead shift our focus on how can we make it good. I have always liked the idea of acquisitions for example, if big corporations buy the smaller crypto ones and make it bigger and put more funding into it to get it to higher stage that would be good, maybe instead of buying bitcoin, we should help them buy the crypto companies instead.
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