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July 11, 2013, 07:39:21 PM
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Supreme Court, 1928:

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Instrumentalities like the national banks or the federal reserve banks, in which there are private interests, are not departments of the government. They are private corporations in which the government has an interest.

UNITED STATES SHIPPING BOARD EMERGENCY FLEET CORPORATION
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WESTERN UNION TELEGRAPH CO.

1928

http://openjurist.org/275/us/415
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July 18, 2013, 12:36:31 AM
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If you're interested in the Fed I recommend giving this article a read.

It just seems so wrong for taxpayers to be paying for profits of a private company

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July 20, 2013, 06:06:14 AM
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This whole thing about the Fed Reserve being private is a red herring.

Yes, the Fed is nominally private.  But the Bank of England was private for centuries until it was nationalised after WW2.  All the problems remain there because the Central bank STILL EXISTS.  It's the governmental powers that exist that are the problem, not who owns it.

You could focus on it being private and then maybe it would become a national issue and the govt would say "OK, we are going to nationalise the Fed".  And if that happened, not one single problem would have been solved.  The Fed would still be there doing the exact same as it does now, except it will have legitimacy in some people's eyes  where it didn't before.
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July 20, 2013, 08:58:12 AM
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This whole thing about the Fed Reserve being private is a red herring.

Yes, the Fed is nominally private.  But the Bank of England was private for centuries until it was nationalised after WW2.  All the problems remain there because the Central bank STILL EXISTS.  It's the governmental powers that exist that are the problem, not who owns it.

You could focus on it being private and then maybe it would become a national issue and the govt would say "OK, we are going to nationalise the Fed".  And if that happened, not one single problem would have been solved.  The Fed would still be there doing the exact same as it does now, except it will have legitimacy in some people's eyes  where it didn't before.

Your argument is a false dichotomy fallacy. You claim that our only choices are private or governmental regulation. Bitcoin is a perfect example of a third choice. He points out that the federal reserve is private to bring attention to the fact that the government doesn't really control it. Therefore even if you feel the government still represents us it has no power to change the policy of the fed. It could start using constitutional money again but that is another debate. Either way the fed does what it wants, or is replaced completely. The government is not able to dictate fed policy, and your statement assumes that we only have two choices.
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July 20, 2013, 09:36:54 AM
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No, I'm just saying that the whole privately-owned thing is not something that is relevant to the Fed discussion.  All central banks are supposed to be independent whether they are private or not.  In reality, none of them are of course, privately owned or not.

I am for getting rid of them entirely, however that can be accomplished.  Whether it's through Bitcoin or whatever I don't care.  I just don't want people to think that ownership of the central bank is the problem.   It's not.  The problem is, is that the central bank exists. 

And also, that there is a monopoly on the money.   Because getting rid of the central bank and just putting it's functions into the government won't solve the problem either.
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July 23, 2013, 02:18:55 PM
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it's like with all "privatization" nowadays, just lip-service, giving former state services into the hands of chosen monopolists, and not a free market. De-democratization is the better word.

The reason is, of course, because states are in debt. So they sell themselves out to their creditors.

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July 23, 2013, 11:27:36 PM
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This whole thing about the Fed Reserve being private is a red herring.

Yes, the Fed is nominally private.  But the Bank of England was private for centuries until it was nationalised after WW2.  All the problems remain there because the Central bank STILL EXISTS.  It's the governmental powers that exist that are the problem, not who owns it.

You could focus on it being private and then maybe it would become a national issue and the govt would say "OK, we are going to nationalise the Fed".  And if that happened, not one single problem would have been solved.  The Fed would still be there doing the exact same as it does now, except it will have legitimacy in some people's eyes  where it didn't before.

Your argument is a false dichotomy fallacy. You claim that our only choices are private or governmental regulation. Bitcoin is a perfect example of a third choice. He points out that the federal reserve is private to bring attention to the fact that the government doesn't really control it. Therefore even if you feel the government still represents us it has no power to change the policy of the fed. It could start using constitutional money again but that is another debate. Either way the fed does what it wants, or is replaced completely. The government is not able to dictate fed policy, and your statement assumes that we only have two choices.

His argument is sound. the ability of the government to give preferential treatment to one group of individuals over another is the crux of the issue and he makes no claims that we have only 2 choices.

Logically there is only one choice that is rational. No one group of people should have preferential treatment over any other group(no regulation). For this to work, you need Private Property rights otherwise you run into the Problem of the commons. People will arrive at the best solution by themselves... which seems to be, by general consensus... Bitcoin and crypto's in general...

whether or not it will stand the test of time like gold and silver has is another story though.
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July 24, 2013, 12:09:03 PM
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it's like with all "privatization" nowadays, just lip-service, giving former state services into the hands of chosen monopolists, and not a free market. De-democratization is the better word.

The reason is, of course, because states are in debt. So they sell themselves out to their creditors.

Well, the thing with privatization is that rarely do the taxes go down.  In fact, most governments seem to slowly shed services and gradually increase taxes at the same time.   
 
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July 24, 2013, 12:18:01 PM
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Well, the thing with privatization is that rarely do the taxes go down.  In fact, most governments seem to slowly shed services and gradually increase taxes at the same time.   
 

that's because of their debts, as said, but they don't even shed those, obviously  Roll Eyes

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