PAYPAL SCAM ALERT, scammer is John Binns and paypal.

[BitcoinPorn]

Bitcoins were banned from selling at Ebay.  If you continue to use it, then you do so at your own risk so stop crying.

This.  I think thread should either be locked or at the least retitled so people stop misusing that word Scam.

User error.

[jack102938]

Bitcoins were banned from selling at Ebay.  If you continue to use it, then you do so at your own risk so stop crying.

This.  I think thread should either be locked or at the least retitled so people stop misusing that word Scam.

User error.

Have you even read the thread? Just because selling bitcoins may be against eBay "rules" (which are found where exactly?) doesn't make it right for paypal to defraud its customers. Have you heard of the expression "the customer is always right"?

[jack102938]

This is the scammer info:
 Buyer
John Binns

http://twitter.com/storeman316

[Man From The Future]

This is the scammer info:
 Buyer
John Binns

http://twitter.com/storeman316

Finad his employer, get him fired?

[beeph]

british paypals are usually stolen just call him b4 accepting payment, prolly has an e european accent (frequently romanian, actually)

live and learn

so many scams/fraud are prevented with a simple phone call .. it's saved me thousands of $$ over the years.



guy in his 30's with some common sense and a phone >>>>>>>>  31337 hax0rs googling and doing online 'detective work'

[jack102938]

guy in his 30's with some common sense and a phone >>>>>>>>  31337 hax0rs googling and doing online 'detective work'

ORLY

"We have completed our investigation of the transaction below and were
unable to find evidence of unauthorised access to the buyer’s account. This
case was refused to the buyer and no funds were recovered from your account.

Thanks for your cooperation through this process. We are continuing to work
to ensure that PayPal is secure for all users."

[Oldminer]

Dont use payscam ffs...I don't know how many times people have posted about this on here....

[frycicle]

Someone tried this on me after I sold some coins on eBay. Paypal emailed me saying that he didn't have enough proof he was hacked, and I got my monies! 

[bitcoinminer]

It's unethical to let a sucker keep their paypal money

[sergio]

Paypal is extremely corrupt, more than many of you can imagine, I have been doing everything I can to stop this scammer from stealing bitcoins and have failed, this thief has been reported to ebay and paypal and they do not think to care, they just tell the seller the buyers account was hacked and file a chargeback.

I think there are many sellers, we should organize and put pressure against paypal and ebay, not only to recover the lost coins, but put an stop on this crook, and hopefully put him in jail.

Today he scammed another seller for bitcoins:
http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=jabgasrm&ftab=FeedbackAsBuyer
The last victim is  jewel_hilton
ebay action id: 270773724170

And for those that say selling bitcoins on paypal is illegal, they are clearly wrong
See here https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/PayPal it is a bad idea but that does not make it illegal, also paypal does not make laws, they can make a contract, but even then by clearly allowing bitcoin actions (also allowing fraud) they are accepting bitcoins.

Here is an example of the non written law in many countries:
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derecho_consuetudinario (sorry in spanish, could not find the english version).
What "Ley o Derecho consuetudinario" in brief refers to non written laws, that are accepted by tradition when there are precedents or what the people agree is legal.

Paypal by allowing bitcoin actions actions to take place, with or without fraud, they create a precedent that it is Ok, and it many countries in the world that would make  a bitcoin transaction perfectly legal with paypal, of course the laws vary from country to country, but in general it would be legal with a few exceptions. In the USA it is also legal, and worst case it could be a violation of contract and even that would be doubtful since there is a precedent saying otherwise.
 
If anyone has some ideas how we could organize. please post here, this post has a lot of detail of all the fraud this guy
Info on the thief.
 John Binns
141 Blackmoor Drive, West Derby
Liverpool, Merseyside
L129EE
United Kingdom
johngeljen@tiscali.co.uk

This post may help some recover their money from paypal.

My Advice, do not use paypal it is an scam, and do not use ebay it is the same company.

[done]

Paypal is a scam. How does everyone not know this already?

[sergio]

in regard to the reference of the law, the link was in spanish, here I found the link in english:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Customary_law

It is called custom or customary law,
This makes bitcoins legal and accepted by paypal, since they are allowing bitcoins.
Customary law is probably valid on some countries. I am not an expert on law.

But follow my advice stay away from paypal it is not only an scam, it is a criminal enterprise.

I knew paypal was bad, and most of us know that paypal is bad, but what you probably do not know is how bad their are.
I am pretty sure a good lawyer could sue them big time for all the fraud they do, the problem is that if the fine awarded by a court is lower than they money they make of deft, they will continue stealing their customers money.

I never expected them to be as corrupt as they are, the allow a massive fraud to take place knowingly.

The problem are not the bitcoins, the problem is paypal.

[sergio]

Today I spoke to paypal and they are full of bs, they sayd "they believe the buyers account was compromised", I told them it is a bunch of bs, and I told them that they should have it secure on the very first chargeback.

The do not recognize electronic delivery even though they can be proven.

Here is my plan, and we are probably going to get our money back but it will take for ever, we can organize as a whole under one team since it is the same case for all of us, and under small claims court sue paypal, it will be up to the judge weather electronic delivery can be proven or not, given the very strong evidence against the scammer and paypal we have a very strong posibility of winning.

It makes more sense to sue paypal, since it is paypal that has failed us, and taken our money, the scammer would have never succeded without the help of paypal.

Under small claims in California the limit is $7500, and we should file suit for the actual amount of money that is going to cost to fight the case, legal advice, many trips to court, time loss,  email expenses, transportation, court expenses, etc, but under small claims it is mostly time that is wasted, not too much money, most likely paypal will never go to court and settle out of court since it is in their best interest.
With the evidence we have I believe we can win the case against paypal under small claims court.

Here is my email if someone would like to fight paypal under small claims court: sergiori@hotmail.com

The idea it to get all the facts organized, with all the people that got scammed.
We can each file one individual law suit, or one law suit covering us all.

[BitMofo]

Today I spoke to paypal and they are full of bs, they sayd "they believe the buyers account was compromised", I told them it is a bunch of bs, and I told them that they should have it secure on the very first chargeback.

The do not recognize electronic delivery even though they can be proven.

Here is my plan, and we are probably going to get our money back but it will take for ever, we can organize as a whole under one team since it is the same case for all of us, and under small claims court sue paypal, it will be up to the judge weather electronic delivery can be proven or not, given the very strong evidence against the scammer and paypal we have a very strong posibility of winning.

It makes more sense to sue paypal, since it is paypal that has failed us, and taken our money, the scammer would have never succeded without the help of paypal.

Under small claims in California the limit is $7500, and we should file suit for the actual amount of money that is going to cost to fight the case, legal advice, many trips to court, time loss,  email expenses, transportation, court expenses, etc, but under small claims it is mostly time that is wasted, not too much money, most likely paypal will never go to court and settle out of court since it is in their best interest.
With the evidence we have I believe we can win the case against paypal under small claims court.

Here is my email if someone would like to fight paypal under small claims court: sergiori@hotmail.com

The idea it to get all the facts organized, with all the people that got scammed.
We can each file one individual law suit, or one law suit covering us all.

Just got scammed for 7bitcoins, still awaiting paypal's decision, but it's an absolute joke that this goes on... Considering going to small claims myself in the UK, problem is it will cost me a few hundred quid to get started, and then it's always the judges decision... If the judge doesn't understand how bitcoin works then I'm screwed?

[sergio]

Here is the method on how you can get your 7 bitcoins back.
Paypal completely ignores blockexplorer, and it will go as far as denying that it exists, since it is obvious that palpal does not like bitcoin, and there is no point arguing to them about blockexplorer since they ignore it because it is convenient for them.

This is what you have to do, provide a tracking number, the delivery method is not important as long as it provides a tracking number, then provide that tracking number to paypal and a copy of the receipt with the tracking number to paypal, file uploads are disabled by default on the dispute form so you will have to call paypal to get file upload enables.

Just claim that the bitcoins were sent by mail, and you are covered for buyer protection. you can send the address where the bitcoin was sent, a copy of block explorer, a certificate, anything that proves that you sent the bitcoin, in the mail claim the value as the value of the bitcoins it represents.

I got my bitcoins back after 15 days.

Also ebay feedback is screwed up big time, since seller where only allowed to leave positive feedback for the scammer, there was a lot of positive feedback  for jabgasrm calling him an scammer, all that feedback was removed by ebay, I have a picture of the feedback page before ebay did the cleaning to his feedback.
Leason to be learned from this, is that ebay feedbacks are not trustworthy, they have no value whatsoever, before 2008 they meant something, but not now.

[BitMofo]

Here is the method on how you can get your 7 bitcoins back.
Paypal completely ignores blockexplorer, and it will go as far as denying that it exists, since it is obvious that palpal does not like bitcoin, and there is no point arguing to them about blockexplorer since they ignore it because it is convenient for them.

This is what you have to do, provide a tracking number, the delivery method is not important as long as it provides a tracking number, then provide that tracking number to paypal and a copy of the receipt with the tracking number to paypal, file uploads are disabled by default on the dispute form so you will have to call paypal to get file upload enables.

Just claim that the bitcoins were sent by mail, and you are covered for buyer protection. you can send the address where the bitcoin was sent, a copy of block explorer, a certificate, anything that proves that you sent the bitcoin, in the mail claim the value as the value of the bitcoins it represents.

I got my bitcoins back after 15 days.

Also ebay feedback is screwed up big time, since seller where only allowed to leave positive feedback for the scammer, there was a lot of positive feedback  for jabgasrm calling him an scammer, all that feedback was removed by ebay, I have a picture of the feedback page before ebay did the cleaning to his feedback.
Leason to be learned from this, is that ebay feedbacks are not trustworthy, they have no value whatsoever, before 2008 they meant something, but not now.

Thanks for the advice Sergio, that is basically the route I immediately decided to take when I realised what had happened! I posted the guy an envelope with "7 bitcoins" written inside, then provided paypal with the tracking number. Am still waiting to see what happens next though!
Fingers crossed! Will keep everyone updated

[BitMofo]

Here is the method on how you can get your 7 bitcoins back.
Paypal completely ignores blockexplorer, and it will go as far as denying that it exists, since it is obvious that palpal does not like bitcoin, and there is no point arguing to them about blockexplorer since they ignore it because it is convenient for them.

This is what you have to do, provide a tracking number, the delivery method is not important as long as it provides a tracking number, then provide that tracking number to paypal and a copy of the receipt with the tracking number to paypal, file uploads are disabled by default on the dispute form so you will have to call paypal to get file upload enables.

Just claim that the bitcoins were sent by mail, and you are covered for buyer protection. you can send the address where the bitcoin was sent, a copy of block explorer, a certificate, anything that proves that you sent the bitcoin, in the mail claim the value as the value of the bitcoins it represents.

I got my bitcoins back after 15 days.

Also ebay feedback is screwed up big time, since seller where only allowed to leave positive feedback for the scammer, there was a lot of positive feedback  for jabgasrm calling him an scammer, all that feedback was removed by ebay, I have a picture of the feedback page before ebay did the cleaning to his feedback.
Leason to be learned from this, is that ebay feedbacks are not trustworthy, they have no value whatsoever, before 2008 they meant something, but not now.

Thanks for the advice Sergio, that is basically the route I immediately decided to take when I realised what had happened! I posted the guy an envelope with "7 bitcoins" written inside, then provided paypal with the tracking number. Am still waiting to see what happens next though!
Fingers crossed! Will keep everyone updated

Hi everyone,
Finally received paypal's outcome this afternoon... They reversed the payment to the scammer so I'm out of pocket. Didn't get a reason or anything... I am royally pissed off...

[bitcoinminer]

Hi everyone,
Finally received paypal's outcome this afternoon... They reversed the payment to the scammer so I'm out of pocket. Didn't get a reason or anything... I am royally pissed off...

1.) What did you learn?
2.) Did it cost you enough to remember what you learned?

[BitMofo]

Hi everyone,
Finally received paypal's outcome this afternoon... They reversed the payment to the scammer so I'm out of pocket. Didn't get a reason or anything... I am royally pissed off...

1.) What did you learn?
2.) Did it cost you enough to remember what you learned?

Had the outcome for the second batch I sold on the same day today, paypal reversed payments to me... Very strange!

[bitcoinminer]

See above.