i already tried my best to persuade conman, (his nick is conman) who is the lead dev for cgminer to add primecoin support.
<litepool> conman can you add primecoin please
<conman> no
<litepool> why?
<conman> no more coin support, I regret adding litecoin support
<litepool> how come, not enough donations?
<conman> it's a maintenance burden and supports something I don't really care about
<litepool> i understand, it is something you don't benifit much from i guess.
<Alpha> conman, your Con Kolivas?
<conman> yes I am
<Alpha> nice to meet you
<litepool> be careful he is a conman
<conman> though I happen to be travelling in Europe at the moment so can't really do anything for another 5 weeks
<conman> thanks
<conman> litepool, if I were to support another coin, it would be done as a standalone fork for a large fee and I probably would not keep the code in mainline cgminer any more
<conman> you may or may not know I added scrypt support for 100BTC
<litepool> conman, why not support it, "test" mine and collect quiet a lot of coins before the next person
<litepool> and have a fair share in that coin
<conman> because I'm here not for profit only but because I support bitcoin as a concept
<litepool> you just said you want money
<conman> I'm not here to mine the most profitable spin off
<conman> no, I want bitcoin, and that helps the bitcoin economy too
<conman> because you pay me in bitcoin
<conman> there's a big difference
<litepool> i don't understand, You can take the capita out of the alt coin by exchanging it for bitcoin anyway conman
<litepool> it is pretty strait forward
<conman> that directly supports the altcoin chains
<conman> which I dont want to do
<litepool> it doesn't really, you empty the buy walls
<litepool> and take the capita/buying power out
<litepool> especially with something simple as prime.ccp
<conman> well I say this at regular intervals but if you really want me to
<litepool> i think you can use the same methodology
<conman> altcoins are for butthurt miners who missed out on early mining on bitcoin and fail to impress in any other way to me
<litepool> You can think of it that way, but some offer a fair advantage over bitcoin. It just makes bitcoin supporters look "buthert" whilst they can't accept another coin to exist alongside
<conman> so yeah you can pay me to code on something I dont care about, but not in altcoin currency
<litepool> They see it as a threat
<litepool> all you may do is delay it, but i wouldn't miss the opportunity if i were you
<conman> nah it's not a thread, the bitcoin cosmos is far too big to give a fuck about them
<conman> threat*
<conman> for me it's effort wasted on something I could be spending better time on, but I can be paid to work on something for sure
<litepool> ok what i was trying to say conman is, if you want to benifit from it you can use this as an advantage, as long as you don't plan on doing any malicious attacks it seems pretty fair. There are no GPU Miners for primecoin yet, only cpu
https://github.com/primecoin/primecoin/blob/master/src/prime.cpp and
https://github.com/primecoin/primecoin/blob/master/src/prime.h<litepool> as you already done scrypt, i believe you can use a similiar method to implement prime
<conman> litepool, while the prospect of making a lot by being the first miner is mildly appealing, it's not at all what drives me
<conman> I'm one of the few "miners" that doesn't need any of the profit I make off mining, I'm here because I support the bitcoin concept
<Alpha> Yes thats the disadvantages to the GPU. However, we are working on durability, and those are just preliminary speeds, in two week ill be able to come up with the proper configuration of board to fpga.
<conman> hmm
<litepool> Alpha will you open source your work
<conman> Alpha, normally I'd support hardware if I was given access to it if the hardware itself is quite profitable , or was paid a fee for it
<litepool> publicise
<Alpha> conman, we would like to work with you yes
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<Alpha> Any place we can talk privately, via e-mail?
<conman> sure but as I said, I'm on holiday
<conman> my email is in the cgminer readme
<Alpha> Okay, enjoy your holidays. We are a few weeks off in development anyway so itll be good timing
<conman> Alpha, note that quite a few btc asic manufacturers are expected to start having development boards soon so if they come first I will be prioritising them
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<conman> however we know from experience that there are always delays
<Alpha> Yes, its a very long process getting ASIC's made.
<conman> I just wish they wouldn't make a mess of the final part
<conman> decent fpga, interface, buffers, queues, callbacks etc
<Alpha> I think BFL especially, should have just taken batch orders
<conman> the avalon is such a steaming pile of crap in design
<conman> but they were first, nothing can take that away...
<Alpha> They are far too many orders, and i dont think they can fulfill them. And they are the most legitimate
<conman> bfl's design is half decent but they're just hopeless
<Alpha> So yes i agree
<conman> a year late is ridiculous
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<conman> though there's a combination of fail and planned lateness as well
<Alpha> A LOT of people have profited from their pre-orders though, including myself.
<conman> heh
<conman> anyway I don't mind making my opinions known in the main channel even if you're not planning on negotiating here
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<conman> if it's a lowly performing device, I'd rather get sponsored to work on it than just be given the device as payment
<Alpha> Conman, i assure you everything will be high performing. Its not like the other litecoin fpga's being developed by 2 people, we have electronic engineers and software engineers with 5+ years of experience
<Alpha> I state 500-800 but thats the minimum speed requirement. What's more important is at what cost we can get to that speed per unit, if its siginificantly lower then we can amp it up. Or even sell it as that becuase people can then stack up on them. As i know not everyone has 1000s to spend on per unit. Which could arise the matter of having more than 1 unit down the line
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<Alpha> But considering what profits we are aiming towards. We would rather have you both sponsored and also be given the device anyway as a complimentary
<illpoet> lol using a guy named conman to vouch for the validity of your product, only in crypto...
<Alpha> illpoet, I believe conman is the developer of CGMINER
<illpoet> alpha: no i know, i'd trust his judgement/opinion im just saying its ironic
<Alpha> lol
<conman> right, I earn my trust, I don't expect people to trust me based on a stupid IRC handle
<conman> and I'm brutally honest if I don't like something
<conman> like ltc mining
<conman> that was pure mercenary work
<Alpha> Anyway, i know its early, but follow us on
https://twitter.com/ukalpha , itll keep you up to date on progress so far, and when more info will be launched on our website along with video/images of the prototype.
<conman> no offense, but won't be following
<conman> I have a billion things trying to take my focus
<conman> once there's something to work on, I'll be on it like a piranha
<Alpha> Okay understood as your a developer. It was for the onlookers/miners
<conman> nod
<conman> and as a vague indication, for paid (non btc) work, I charge $155/hr
<Alpha> Not looking for followers at the moment if i was i would put the post on bitcoin forum. I believe we need to showcase a cost efficient working product before giving out claims.
<Alpha> Okay Conman, that sounds perfect, with your skills we wont need A LOT of hours
<conman> that's what I like to hear
<conman> sick of vapourware
<conman> sweet
<conman> just remember, queue, buffer, non-polling, direct usb
<conman> though queue isn't so important at only 700kh since one work item can still go a long way
<conman> oh and ability to abort quickly
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<Alpha> Thanks for the reccomendations
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<conman> supporting higher diff internally would also be nice for low power front ends to run the hardware
<Alpha> Thanks, anything else? its good to have more information, as we know overall USB connection etc would be better. However, were a group of experienced engineers but not much knowledge in mining or crypto-currency, if you get my drift
<conman> hmm
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<conman> well
<conman> the things above I listed are the common mistakes
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<conman> ability to abort and flush work while queueing new work in one go would be very helpful
<conman> asynchronous submit work / return results would be nice, but that also requires supporting some work ID system for return results
<conman> temperature settings
<conman> fan control if any involved
<conman> ability to idle the device
<conman> data on safe operating temperatures
* abracadabra suggests a software spec document :p
<conman> ability to dynamically control speed
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<Alpha> Ok, ive forwarded this all to the team
<conman> mk
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<conman> the issues are the same but (not so) surprisingly, most manufacturers have never done anything mining related and don't realise how important these things are
<conman> whereas miners have been dealing with the same issues for 4 years now, they're the same regardless of what the hardware is
<conman> cpu, gpu, fpga, asics, (quantum)
<illpoet> or what the coin is, for that matter
<Alpha> Exactly, i always want to look from the miner/consumers point of view, to make the best possible fpga.
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<conman> you tackle all of the above and you've made better custom hardware than exists for btc even
<Alpha> Thanks. Would be great to have CGMINER powering our hardware. Do you post on the bitcoin forum?
<conman> lots
<conman> litepool, just as an aside, despite the fact I added scrypt opencl mining to cgminer, I did NOT write the scrypt code so don't think I'm necessarily an opencl expert that can do "anything"
