Till now waiting for 3 avalons from batch#1, Avalon is a scammer and arrant liar

[Begru]

Till now waiting for 3 avalons from batch#1

Order 200000453,
Order 200000456,
Order 200000465,
Order 200000540
This are the order numbers  for 8 avalon and all was confirmed and payed.

5 avalon was delivered  3rd week in march 2013.

Open ticket in
April #499
May #883
July # 1269
for the missing 3 units

==> No answer till now.

Avalon seems mine with the missing units till now and makes good profit.

Avalon is a scammer and arrant liar

[iikun]

why 4 order numbers?

[neotrix]

It seem my previous post did helped only me I thought you was took in consideration since...

[dogie]

Wait wait wait wait, you got 5B1s that printed 32btc a DAY = up to $7000 a DAY, and you're calling them lying scum?

They gave you this money for free, you should be thanking them.

[fiktionist]

Wait wait wait wait, you got 5B1s that printed 32btc a DAY = up to $7000 a DAY, and you're calling them lying scum?

They gave you this money for free, you should be thanking them.

thats totally nonsens. He ordered and paid something he didnt recieve.

[jspielberg]

Wait wait wait wait, you got 5B1s that printed 32btc a DAY = up to $7000 a DAY, and you're calling them lying scum?

They gave you this money for free, you should be thanking them.

thats totally nonsens. He ordered and paid something he didnt recieve.

While true the schadenfreude in many of us have trouble feeling at all sorry for him.

[dogie]

Wait wait wait wait, you got 5B1s that printed 32btc a DAY = up to $7000 a DAY, and you're calling them lying scum?

They gave you this money for free, you should be thanking them.

thats totally nonsens. He ordered and paid something he didnt recieve.

Maybe he shouldn't have been so greedy.

Its like if I said I'd give you $800 for free, then turned around and only gave you $500, would you really be complaining? Should you be? No, B1s were a gift, were charity.

[CryptoCluster]

Wait wait wait wait, you got 5B1s that printed 32btc a DAY = up to $7000 a DAY, and you're calling them lying scum?

They gave you this money for free, you should be thanking them.

thats totally nonsens. He ordered and paid something he didnt recieve.

Maybe he shouldn't have been so greedy.

Its like if I said I'd give you $800 for free, then turned around and only gave you $500, would you really be complaining? Should you be? No, B1s were a gift, were charity.

Lets suppose I sell you 8 gold coins for 100$ each. In the mean time price jumps to 1000$ each. I send you only 5 and never answer your calls or emails. You are able to sell 5 coins on ebay and make a lot of money, but still you have 3 coins missing.

Is it OK? We had legal agreament, and I faild to deliver.
In my opinion it is called SCAM. You paid for something, and i kept your money AND your gold.

TL DR: OP did not get "$500 for free". Avalon would never develop an ASIC if they did not get financing from investors like OP. He answered the Yifu call, took the risk, send Yifu money, and he should get device he did pay for.

Still TL DR: Most of you are so greedy and jealous that you fail to think clearly.

[thomashrev89]

hahah woow. "for free"

[jspielberg]

Wait wait wait wait, you got 5B1s that printed 32btc a DAY = up to $7000 a DAY, and you're calling them lying scum?

They gave you this money for free, you should be thanking them.

thats totally nonsens. He ordered and paid something he didnt recieve.

While true the schadenfreude in many of us have trouble feeling at all sorry for him.

Sorry... that was uncalled for.  Yes, he should have gotten his full order on time.  In a normal industry that would be norm.  "A deal is a deal"
In mining space, the clock is always ticking, and any delay can totally screw things up for the miners.  Just because other folks in a similar situation are way worse doesn't make your situation any better.

[HTML5 Gordon]

Wait wait wait wait, you got 5B1s that printed 32btc a DAY = up to $7000 a DAY, and you're calling them lying scum?

They gave you this money for free, you should be thanking them.

thats totally nonsens. He ordered and paid something he didnt recieve.

Maybe he shouldn't have been so greedy.

Its like if I said I'd give you $800 for free, then turned around and only gave you $500, would you really be complaining? Should you be? No, B1s were a gift, were charity.

You have to simply be trolling.  You can't be serious.

[greaterninja]

Wait wait wait wait, you got 5B1s that printed 32btc a DAY = up to $7000 a DAY, and you're calling them lying scum?

They gave you this money for free, you should be thanking them.

thats totally nonsens. He ordered and paid something he didnt recieve.

Maybe he shouldn't have been so greedy.

Its like if I said I'd give you $800 for free, then turned around and only gave you $500, would you really be complaining? Should you be? No, B1s were a gift, were charity.

business is business;    if he paid for 8 units of batch #1; he payed for a significant part of their startup and took a huge risk.

if he is owed 3 more units then he is still owed 3 units and they are very late.

I hope your issue gets resolved man.

V/R.

[jspielberg]

Agreed... Business must be based on both sides honoring their commitments.  We held up our side of the bargain.  We expect it to be reciprocal.

[seleme]

Wait wait wait wait, you got 5B1s that printed 32btc a DAY = up to $7000 a DAY, and you're calling them lying scum?

They gave you this money for free, you should be thanking them.

What a load of bullshit..

They didn't give him anything for free, he is the one who paid for those items and one of those who funded their multimillion business...

He has all right to call them liars and scum, and he is not the only one they screwed, they did it to loads of people... just because they delivered some doesn't mean they are much better than BFL. They delivered only those that theyneeded to deliver so they could take more money from people, all others were delivered with heavy delay or not at all.

Yifu is as twat as Inaba.. and acts on similar way.

[dogie]

Wait wait wait wait, you got 5B1s that printed 32btc a DAY = up to $7000 a DAY, and you're calling them lying scum?

They gave you this money for free, you should be thanking them.

What a load of bullshit..

They didn't give him anything for free, he is the one who paid for those items and one of those who funded their multimillion business...

He has all right to call them liars and scum, and he is not the only one they screwed, they did it to loads of people... just because they delivered some doesn't mean they are much better than BFL. They delivered only those that theyneeded to deliver so they could take more money from people, all others were delivered with heavy delay or not at all.

Yifu is as twat as Inaba.. and acts on similar way.

*B2 and 3 funded their business, B1 was barely done at cost. If they wanted to make money, they would have kept B1, mined and made $30m off it. Instead they give the units out to people like this who are never happy and only call them liars.

Why do you think they want to be a hardware development business so bad?

[dropt]

*B2 and 3 funded their business, B1 was barely done at cost.

If B1 was barely done at cost, then how do you figure that B2 which costs 300$ more "funded their business."  IIRC the increase in price between B1 and B2 was to cover the hugely unexpected shipping costs for these things.

B1 funded the ASIC NRE and first run.  I'm not sure what backing they had otherwise.   Didn't you claim to be an Engineer?  Maybe you should take the "I know nothing" part of the oath a little more literally.

EDIT: Oh, that's right, because you weren't even around when these units sold.  Further support you should shut your mouth.

Instead they give the units out to people like this who are never happy and only call them liars.

More bullshit.  They paid for the units, they should get the units they paid for.  If there was some arbitrary limit on the number of units you should ethically order, then these limits should have been put in place and the extra funds returned.

What would your take be if you ordered your five AM Blades and then they only shipped you 3 because fuck you?

[TheSwede75]

Wait wait wait wait, you got 5B1s that printed 32btc a DAY = up to $7000 a DAY, and you're calling them lying scum?

They gave you this money for free, you should be thanking them.

thats totally nonsens. He ordered and paid something he didnt recieve.

Maybe he shouldn't have been so greedy.

Its like if I said I'd give you $800 for free, then turned around and only gave you $500, would you really be complaining? Should you be? No, B1s were a gift, were charity.

Retard argument. He purchased x amount and received x-3. How the hell does it matter what he earned or sold the ones he received for? Damn, sometimes you are just stupid.

[pikeadz]

I respect dogie for the comprehensive blade thread and the help he offered me in getting it set up, so I don't think he is a troll.  However, if I pay for something, I expect to receive it.  Batch 1s are not a gift.  Those who purchased them entered into an at-arms-length contract, and at the time, the value was $1500.  Just because they skyrocketed in value does not relieve Avalon of its duty to perform under the original terms.  So while dogie may seem to be trolling, I think he is a good person but should focus on electrical engineering instead of contract law.

[greaterninja]

My calculations put Avalon revenue at around at least $18 Million USD in bitcoin.  This is only an estimate, however I am sure they have made a significant profit to get this guy his 3 x batch #1 Avalons owed.

[dogie]

*B2 and 3 funded their business, B1 was barely done at cost.

If B1 was barely done at cost, then how do you figure that B2 which costs 300$ more "funded their business."  IIRC the increase in price between B1 and B2 was to cover the hugely unexpected shipping costs for these things.

B1 funded the ASIC NRE and first run.  I'm not sure what backing they had otherwise.   Didn't you claim to be an Engineer?  Maybe you should take the "I know nothing" part of the oath a little more literally.

EDIT: Oh, that's right, because you weren't even around when these units sold.  Further support you should shut your mouth.

Instead they give the units out to people like this who are never happy and only call them liars.

More bullshit.  They paid for the units, they should get the units they paid for.  If there was some arbitrary limit on the number of units you should ethically order, then these limits should have been put in place and the extra funds returned.

What would your take be if you ordered your five AM Blades and then they only shipped you 3 because fuck you?

RAIN THE HATORADE ITS DELICIOUS.

If I ordered 5 (which I didn't, I ordered 4), received 3 and they turned out to be worth $300000 each (proportionate), of course I wouldn't be calling them lying scum! I'd be stfu'ing and enjoying my money.

Greeds got to greet.