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July 03, 2011, 08:53:24 PM
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While thinking about the possible attacks against bitcoin holdings the threat of Electro-Magnetic Pulses popped up. So my questions are:

1. How susceptible are bitcoin holdings to Electro-Magnetic Pulses (whether they be highly targeted or a more generalized attack)?

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2. What are some of the possible defenses?

Thanks,
Trader Steve

This attack scenario is reduced to the question "What will we do if the internet is attacked?"

The answer is - nothing, routing protocols will allow traffic to continue as long as some routers are still active. If the network is swamped to the degree of nothing getting across, or massive damage, then we have bigger problems than protecting our wallets.

Given that the internet was designed to survive massive damage, I'd say we have an advantage over non-decentralized systems.

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July 03, 2011, 09:01:10 PM
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To protect myself from EMP. I encrypted my wallet (I used GPG but you can choose your favorite tool). I created a QR code with qrencode. I printed the QR code on a piece of paper. Keep the paper into a safe place.
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July 04, 2011, 12:29:42 AM
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My bitcoins are safe because they're on a Paper Bitcoin Wallet.  (see sigline)
Paper is only safe from hackers that don't act on meatspace as well, and also it still doesn't rule out the possibility of data corruption

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July 04, 2011, 12:34:09 AM
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If you're talking about an EMP taking down large parts of the Bitcoin network, well, let's just say you'll have more pressing concerns if that happens.

Exactly.  It's hilarious how some people think Bitcoin will save them in some sort of global catastrophe.  Potable water, food, shelter, Guns/Ammo, and maybe gold/silver will be way more important in a mass EMP attack then stupid bits of code.

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July 04, 2011, 12:34:26 AM
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How do you protect bitcoin from an Electro-Magnetic Pulse?

Faraday Cage.

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July 04, 2011, 12:42:18 AM
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CD/DVD backup.  Make one.  That's about the only storage medium I can think of that would survive EMP.  Even a flashdrive would be toast - it doesn't have to be connected to the grid (or anything) with an EMP blast.
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July 04, 2011, 12:44:21 AM
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Put your backup into a safe. Should work as faraday cage.
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July 04, 2011, 12:52:45 AM
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Have you tried putting a CD on a microwave oven? Is that too far from an EMP?

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July 04, 2011, 12:54:15 AM
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Faraday cage w/ a beefy series mode surge suppression followed by a good conventional surge suppressor.  Or you could go the cheaper and more practical route of online distributed international backup. In case both of these fail follow this guide:
http://www.google.com/products/catalog?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=zombie+survival+guide&oe=utf-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=4948039778986383934&sa=X&ei=CQ8RTof2CI2osAKyjK32CQ&ved=0CCsQ8wIwAQ
 
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July 04, 2011, 03:02:17 AM
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It's hilarious how some people think Bitcoin will save them in some sort of global catastrophe.

No, the question was not how to protect bitcoin to save us from disaster, this is about us saving the bitcoin system for the future. .

Humanity does recover from disasters, you know. It would be nice to have bitcoin intact so we can carry on using it when the infrastructure is rebuilt. Cause you know, it was a hell of a lot of work to create!

Ironically, owning gold during a crisis, is next to useless also, because its value will be greatly diminished compared to vital commodities like clean food, water, and blankets. Might as well just save it, bury it somewhere and 10 years down the road it will come in very handy.
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July 04, 2011, 03:31:32 AM
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This guys ideas (^ above) is really good!

However. Like most are saying, big global EMP (solar flare) could stop all trade (banks to bitcoins) so really wouldn't matter.

Tin foil does actually work and protects. You can try this by wrapping your mobile phone in foil and trying to call it. See? Good isnt it!

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July 04, 2011, 03:34:33 AM
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Wrap your head with material to make a Faraday Cage... it will protect you from anything bad. Tin foil is a good material for this.
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July 04, 2011, 03:55:49 AM
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Have you tried putting a CD on a microwave oven? Is that too far from an EMP?
Pretty sure that microwaves and EMP waves are completely different, but you could be right.
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July 04, 2011, 04:48:22 AM
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I don't think they're worth all too much if half the internet is in range of EMP blasts. Otherwise, just have an encrypted backup on a server elsewhere.

Anyways, try not to live where there's a high chance of a nuclear war.
In other words: move from the northern to the southern continent. South Africa of South America.
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July 04, 2011, 04:50:31 AM
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2. What are some of the possible defenses?



Make sure you keep them under a highly conductive surface layer.
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July 04, 2011, 05:25:46 AM
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pardon me sir. but at this point these are the safety instructions:

1) Get the wallet on a flash stick.
2) Wrap the flash stick with kitchen foil.
3) Stick it in naturally protected smelly hole.


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again off-site backup is not the solution as it is not protected itself. and ol'paper wont hold your wallet.
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July 04, 2011, 05:53:57 AM
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CD/DVD backup.  Make one.  That's about the only storage medium I can think of that would survive EMP.  Even a flashdrive would be toast - it doesn't have to be connected to the grid (or anything) with an EMP blast.

+1 Optical storage is EMP reistant.

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July 04, 2011, 08:24:34 AM
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How can I print out my wallet.dat to paper, in letters/numbers, and then how can I make it back into a usable wallet.dat file?

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July 04, 2011, 01:46:51 PM
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How can I print out my wallet.dat to paper, in letters/numbers, and then how can I make it back into a usable wallet.dat file?
i think that you will find answers here. http://www.casascius.com/

CD/DVD backup.  Make one.  That's about the only storage medium I can think of that would survive EMP.  Even a flashdrive would be toast - it doesn't have to be connected to the grid (or anything) with an EMP blast.
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July 04, 2011, 01:50:07 PM
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While thinking about the possible attacks against bitcoin holdings the threat of Electro-Magnetic Pulses popped up. So my questions are:

1. How susceptible are bitcoin holdings to Electro-Magnetic Pulses (whether they be highly targeted or a more generalized attack)?

and

2. What are some of the possible defenses?

Thanks,
Trader Steve

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