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December 15, 2017, 01:12:48 PM
Last edit: December 15, 2017, 09:05:16 PM by BTC-Graphicdesigns
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This polymer wallet was limited to 1500 and is sold out. I still have one, which was never taken out of the plastic sleeve.
Here some Information to the wallet taken from the original page:


The front side is decorated with an artists rendering of the sitting Helvetia as used on the 1873 minted gold franc (Vreneli). Helvetia is the female personification of Switzerland.

The weave pattern in the background is decorated with the flower Rhododendron ferrugineum (Alpenrose), which is also decorating the hair of Helvetia in Swiss coins and elsewhere.

The binary number repeated in the background of the certificates – 11010 – represents the number 26, which is the number of cantons in Switzerland, similar to the starts on Swiss coins.

Oak leaves are traditional symbols for the silver standard and have formerly been on all silver coins of western European nations, and till this very day, on the Swiss Franc coins.

Wheat is a symbol of wealth.

Laurels leaves symbolize victory, wealth and favour.


Bitcoin Certificates have the following value-adding features:

  
Printed on synthetic polymer paper, resistant to water, wear and tear.
    
Printed in extremely high resolution, only available on high-end industrial machinery.
  
Equipped with hologram, featuring the Bitcoin Suisse logo.
    
One-sided embossing of the company seal.
    
X-ray, Ultrasound and probe proof private key.
    
Usage of metallic silver ink on the bill, which cannot easily be replicated.
    
Field which is to be opened to access the private key cannot be re-closed without clear signs of tampering.
    
Matrix printed QR-code of the Bitcoin address – with unique fingerprint properties, is visible on the outside of the bill.

Individual serial numbers identify the certificate – and contain encoded information as to date and year of production, number of bill, series, nominal value and other information.
    
Issued by a reputable and regulated Swiss company, which has been in business for (in crypto currency terms) a long time.
    
Extreme care taken during offline generation of keys. High quality random seeds used. Keys are never visible to the production staff, nor anyone else. Always at least two Bitcoin Suisse employees present during handling of keys.
    
Bitcoin Suisse register the unique fingerprint of each bill – along with the TxId (transaction ID) associated with the loading of the certificate. These data are to be published in an accessible register to ensure that people can trust that certificates obtained from 3rd party are genuine and loaded.


Everybody that was willing to do Escrow for this Auction, thank you very much. But I will be going with "minerjones" as Escrow for this auction. I will ask him to confirm here in the Thread.
Also unlike other auctions, I will pay all the Escrow fees and shipping fees.


So Auction will last 10 days as of now.

Starting bid is: 0.015 BTC
Price increasement per bid: 0.005 BTC


Edit 15.12.2017: This wallet is not loaded and never was loaded!

If you don't like the price or can't afford it then don't bid or leave stupid shitty comments.
I reserve the right to cancel the auction if minimum bid is not meet after 10 days.

Thank you.

Link to Pictures:


https://ibb.co/bXUw26
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https://ibb.co/kyOdFR
https://ibb.co/cfJOh6

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December 15, 2017, 05:37:37 PM
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Great piece, love the Bitcoin Suisse certificates Smiley.

A few questions..

1) This is never taken out of it's plastic sleeve which means we can assume it is still loaded?
2) "I reserve the right to cancel the auction if the minimum bid is not met" - Do you mean the starting bid or do you have a reserve and won't let it go if it does not get up to that?

Thanks.

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December 15, 2017, 08:12:14 PM
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I just scanned the bar code and it is not loaded. Balance zero.

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December 15, 2017, 08:19:42 PM
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I just scanned the bar code and it is not loaded. Balance zero.


Where does it say that its loaded? Those where sold unloaded.
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December 15, 2017, 08:20:34 PM
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I just scanned the bar code and it is not loaded. Balance zero.


Where does it say that its loaded? Those where sold unloaded.

I was asking if it was loaded or not as it does not state it in the OP. It does however say that it has never been out of it's plastic sleeve so one could assume that it would be loaded, then again I don't know enough about these notes I guess.

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I just scanned the bar code and it is not loaded. Balance zero.


Where does it say that its loaded? Those where sold unloaded.

I was asking if it was loaded or not as it does not state it in the OP. It does however say that it has never been out of it's plastic sleeve so one could assume that it would be loaded, then again I don't know enough about these notes I guess.

I didn't even see your post, I was speaking too BNM, but why would you need to take it out of the sleeve to load it? Its never been out of the plastic sleeve I don't think that has any bearing on whether it is loaded or not
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December 15, 2017, 08:23:13 PM
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Address on the note is: 1DeUyhUaEsUwsny3skZd4KsAwZ43XMK3Aa

This item looks to be unloaded, the line in the OP that may be confusing regarding funding is:

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Bitcoin Suisse register the unique fingerprint of each bill – along with the TxId (transaction ID) associated with the loading of the certificate. These data are to be published in an accessible register to ensure that people can trust that certificates obtained from 3rd party are genuine and loaded.

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I just scanned the bar code and it is not loaded. Balance zero.


Where does it say that its loaded? Those where sold unloaded.

I was asking if it was loaded or not as it does not state it in the OP. It does however say that it has never been out of it's plastic sleeve so one could assume that it would be loaded, then again I don't know enough about these notes I guess.

I didn't even see your post, I was speaking too BNM, but why would you need to take it out of the sleeve to load it? Its never been out of the plastic sleeve I don't think that has any bearing on whether it is loaded or not

I did not know these were being sold Unloaded, thought they only sold them loaded..

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December 15, 2017, 08:24:58 PM
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Great piece, love the Bitcoin Suisse certificates Smiley.

A few questions..

1) This is never taken out of it's plastic sleeve which means we can assume it is still loaded?
2) "I reserve the right to cancel the auction if the minimum bid is not met" - Do you mean the starting bid or do you have a reserve and won't let it go if it does not get up to that?

Thanks.

In 2014 Bitcoin Suisse AG released 5 Wallets:

100 Milli Bitcoin limited to 4000 pieces

500 Milli Bitcoin limited to 1999 pieces

1 Bitcoin limited to 2000 pieces

10 Bitcoin limited to 500 pieces

These 4 wallets were loaded with the amounts above.

They also released 1500 pieces of the generic wallets which where NOT loaded. And the wallet up for auction is one of these.

Obviously I will be send the polymer paper wallet to "minerjones" and he can then confirm to the winner of the auction that the wallet is still in original plastic sleeve and that everything is as stated by me.


Seeing that I don't now if the BTC price will go up or down in the next 10 days, I set myself a reserve in swiss francs which I would like to have for me to part with this wallet.

Any more questions? Feel free to ask.

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December 15, 2017, 08:27:47 PM
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Great piece, love the Bitcoin Suisse certificates Smiley.

A few questions..

1) This is never taken out of it's plastic sleeve which means we can assume it is still loaded?
2) "I reserve the right to cancel the auction if the minimum bid is not met" - Do you mean the starting bid or do you have a reserve and won't let it go if it does not get up to that?

Thanks.

In 2014 Bitcoin Suisse AG released 5 Wallets:

100 Milli Bitcoin limited to 4000 pieces

500 Milli Bitcoin limited to 1999 pieces

1 Bitcoin limited to 2000 pieces

10 Bitcoin limited to 500 pieces

These 4 wallets were loaded with the amounts above.

They also released 1500 pieces of the generic wallets which where NOT loaded. And the wallet up for auction is one of these.

Obviously I will be send the polymer paper wallet to "minerjones" and he can then confirm to the winner of the auction that the wallet is still in original plastic sleeve and that everything is as stated by me.


Seeing that I don't now if the BTC price will go up or down in the next 10 days, I set myself a reserve in swiss francs which I would like to have for me to part with this wallet.

Any more questions? Feel free to ask.

Don't you think that hidden reserve auctions are a waste of time and space?


Also an auction with a hidden reserve with no prove is not fair
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December 15, 2017, 08:29:37 PM
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Address on the note is: 1DeUyhUaEsUwsny3skZd4KsAwZ43XMK3Aa

This item looks to be unloaded, the line in the OP that may be confusing regarding funding is:

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Bitcoin Suisse register the unique fingerprint of each bill – along with the TxId (transaction ID) associated with the loading of the certificate. These data are to be published in an accessible register to ensure that people can trust that certificates obtained from 3rd party are genuine and loaded.

Like stated in my first post of this thread -> the statements are not from me. These were the original words of Bitcoin Suisse.

Just to clarify again: This is the generic polymer Bitcoin Suisse AG wallet limited to 1500 which is NOT loaded and never was loaded.

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Great piece, love the Bitcoin Suisse certificates Smiley.

A few questions..

1) This is never taken out of it's plastic sleeve which means we can assume it is still loaded?
2) "I reserve the right to cancel the auction if the minimum bid is not met" - Do you mean the starting bid or do you have a reserve and won't let it go if it does not get up to that?

Thanks.

In 2014 Bitcoin Suisse AG released 5 Wallets:

100 Milli Bitcoin limited to 4000 pieces

500 Milli Bitcoin limited to 1999 pieces

1 Bitcoin limited to 2000 pieces

10 Bitcoin limited to 500 pieces

These 4 wallets were loaded with the amounts above.

They also released 1500 pieces of the generic wallets which where NOT loaded. And the wallet up for auction is one of these.

Obviously I will be send the polymer paper wallet to "minerjones" and he can then confirm to the winner of the auction that the wallet is still in original plastic sleeve and that everything is as stated by me.


Seeing that I don't now if the BTC price will go up or down in the next 10 days, I set myself a reserve in swiss francs which I would like to have for me to part with this wallet.

Any more questions? Feel free to ask.

Ah! I see, I was not aware of this haha. Thanks for the explanation.

Regarding the auction.. I don't really like hidden reserves and since you want a specific amount in FIAT I don't know if I'm bidding in BTC or in Swiss francs? This has me confused so I'll not bid but I think whoever picks it up will have a great item they can add to their collection.

Best of luck!

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I just scanned the bar code and it is not loaded. Balance zero.


Where does it say that its loaded? Those where sold unloaded.

This is a Series One certificate some of which were sold unloaded. You can tell by the generic bitcoin symbol without an amount stated. Mintage was 1500 of the unloaded and cost was ten CHF. Total number made including the loaded notes was 9999. Good luck with the auction!

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Great piece, love the Bitcoin Suisse certificates Smiley.

A few questions..

1) This is never taken out of it's plastic sleeve which means we can assume it is still loaded?
2) "I reserve the right to cancel the auction if the minimum bid is not met" - Do you mean the starting bid or do you have a reserve and won't let it go if it does not get up to that?

Thanks.

In 2014 Bitcoin Suisse AG released 5 Wallets:

100 Milli Bitcoin limited to 4000 pieces

500 Milli Bitcoin limited to 1999 pieces

1 Bitcoin limited to 2000 pieces

10 Bitcoin limited to 500 pieces

These 4 wallets were loaded with the amounts above.

They also released 1500 pieces of the generic wallets which where NOT loaded. And the wallet up for auction is one of these.

Obviously I will be send the polymer paper wallet to "minerjones" and he can then confirm to the winner of the auction that the wallet is still in original plastic sleeve and that everything is as stated by me.


Seeing that I don't now if the BTC price will go up or down in the next 10 days, I set myself a reserve in swiss francs which I would like to have for me to part with this wallet.

Any more questions? Feel free to ask.

Don't you think that hidden reserve auctions are a waste of time and space?


Also an auction with a hidden reserve with no prove is not fair

Fair point!

Ok I guess its a 50:50 chance that BTC will go up or done in the next 10 days.

I hereby declare that there will be no "reserve" anymore.

Starting bid stays the same = 0.015 BTC

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December 15, 2017, 08:37:00 PM
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I just scanned the bar code and it is not loaded. Balance zero.


Where does it say that its loaded? Those where sold unloaded.

This is a Series One certificate some of which were sold unloaded. You can tell by the generic bitcoin symbol without an amount stated. Mintage was 1500 of the unloaded and cost was ten CHF. Total number made including the loaded notes was 9999. Good luck with the auction!

Correct with the 9999. But if it cost 10 CHF back in 2014, I have no idea. I picked this wallet up last week here in Switzerland and paid a lot more than 10 CHF.
Also if you are able to show me one of these wallets selling lower than 0.015 BTC, I will lower the starting bid to that price  Wink

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Bid 0.015 BTC

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Address on the note is: 1DeUyhUaEsUwsny3skZd4KsAwZ43XMK3Aa

This item looks to be unloaded, the line in the OP that may be confusing regarding funding is:

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Bitcoin Suisse register the unique fingerprint of each bill – along with the TxId (transaction ID) associated with the loading of the certificate. These data are to be published in an accessible register to ensure that people can trust that certificates obtained from 3rd party are genuine and loaded.

Like stated in my first post of this thread -> the statements are not from me. These were the original words of Bitcoin Suisse.

Just to clarify again: This is the generic polymer Bitcoin Suisse AG wallet limited to 1500 which is NOT loaded and never was loaded.

Appreciate it and thanks for the clarification.  It would stink to have a bidder win that believes it's funded because they didn't read the follow up posts and my only recommendation is to add the public address (I copied it down from your image) or a note that it isn't funded in the OP.

Otherwise it's a great item and I'd think your starting bid is more than reasonable for the time being.  Smiley

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I just scanned the bar code and it is not loaded. Balance zero.


Where does it say that its loaded? Those where sold unloaded.

This is a Series One certificate some of which were sold unloaded. You can tell by the generic bitcoin symbol without an amount stated. Mintage was 1500 of the unloaded and cost was ten CHF. Total number made including the loaded notes was 9999. Good luck with the auction!

Correct with the 9999. But if it cost 10 CHF back in 2014, I have no idea. I picked this wallet up last week here in Switzerland and paid a lot more than 10 CHF.
Also if you are able to show me one of these wallets selling lower than 0.015 BTC, I will lower the starting bid to that price  Wink

These wallets never come up for sale, I sold a peeled one for about $50 if I remember right
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Address on the note is: 1DeUyhUaEsUwsny3skZd4KsAwZ43XMK3Aa

This item looks to be unloaded, the line in the OP that may be confusing regarding funding is:

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Bitcoin Suisse register the unique fingerprint of each bill – along with the TxId (transaction ID) associated with the loading of the certificate. These data are to be published in an accessible register to ensure that people can trust that certificates obtained from 3rd party are genuine and loaded.

Like stated in my first post of this thread -> the statements are not from me. These were the original words of Bitcoin Suisse.

Just to clarify again: This is the generic polymer Bitcoin Suisse AG wallet limited to 1500 which is NOT loaded and never was loaded.

Appreciate it and thanks for the clarification.  It would stink to have a bidder win that believes it's funded because they didn't read the follow up posts and my only recommendation is to add the public address (I copied it down from your image) or a note that it isn't funded in the OP.

Otherwise it's a great item and I'd think your starting bid is more than reasonable for the time being.  Smiley

Ok got it thanks. This is my first auction, but thanks for the tips. Will definatly consider them in my future auctions.

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December 15, 2017, 09:03:02 PM
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I just scanned the bar code and it is not loaded. Balance zero.


Where does it say that its loaded? Those where sold unloaded.

This is a Series One certificate some of which were sold unloaded. You can tell by the generic bitcoin symbol without an amount stated. Mintage was 1500 of the unloaded and cost was ten CHF. Total number made including the loaded notes was 9999. Good luck with the auction!

Correct with the 9999. But if it cost 10 CHF back in 2014, I have no idea. I picked this wallet up last week here in Switzerland and paid a lot more than 10 CHF.
Also if you are able to show me one of these wallets selling lower than 0.015 BTC, I will lower the starting bid to that price  Wink

These wallets never come up for sale, I sold a peeled one for about $50 if I remember right

This one ain't peeled  Wink

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