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December 16, 2017, 04:46:43 AM
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Clearly the answer is yes. High fees do affect a Bitcoin casino's profitability badly, but I am interested in what kind of solutions are you planning to fix it?

Is it enabling Segwit or shifting your business to accept altcoins like Bitcoin Cash?



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December 16, 2017, 04:50:01 AM
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Segwit is a change operators can make that allows them to continue to use Bitcoin with full backwards compatibility but pay less in fees. Altcoins aren't really a solution to a user base that wants to use Bitcoin.

I'm personally not a fan of services that don't use Segwit yet but still charge their users high withdraw fees.

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December 20, 2017, 06:21:11 AM
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Segwit is a change operators can make that allows them to continue to use Bitcoin with full backwards compatibility but pay less in fees. Altcoins aren't really a solution to a user base that wants to use Bitcoin.

I'm personally not a fan of services that don't use Segwit yet but still charge their users high withdraw fees.

So what are the services or gambling sites you use that have Segwit enabled?

Plus maybe we should compile a list and open thread to make the users more aware that there is already a workable solution for the fixing the high transaction fees issue.

Segwit is just there waiting to be used, let's use it! Ask your favorite gambling site to enable it!


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December 20, 2017, 07:42:32 AM
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Primedice is heavily affected. We have always been massive supporters of Bitcoin, not wanting to accept any alts. But these fees are getting ridiculous. We're pretty close to abandoning our original morals and seeing what coins our community would like to see us accept.

Primedice has made donations to numerous individuals working behind projects such as the lightning network.

Lets hope this is sorted sooner rather than later.

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December 20, 2017, 04:12:47 PM
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So what are the services or gambling sites you use that have Segwit enabled?

Plus maybe we should compile a list and open thread to make the users more aware that there is already a workable solution for the fixing the high transaction fees issue.

Segwit is just there waiting to be used, let's use it! Ask your favorite gambling site to enable it!

bustadice makes full use of SegWit and a custom coin selection algorithm in order to minimize transaction costs. To further save on fees, users can choose to have their withdrawal batched with others, currently bringing the fee for a withdrawal down to approximately Ƀ 0.0002. We aim to offer withdrawals at cost and do not profit from them.

Short of subsidizing them I believe no other service is able to offer lower withdrawal fees, yet the fees are still quite substantial. So while SegWit definitely alleviates the problem, it is unfortunately not sufficient to make fees manageable for an individual service.

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December 20, 2017, 04:38:51 PM
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Segwit is a change operators can make that allows them to continue to use Bitcoin with full backwards compatibility but pay less in fees. Altcoins aren't really a solution to a user base that wants to use Bitcoin.

I'm personally not a fan of services that don't use Segwit yet but still charge their users high withdraw fees.
I also agree with you adopting segwit is better solution  than accepting  some random altcoin just because they are in news or being promoted by few millionaires.

However segwit  is not yet adopted by many bitcoin related services specially by casino and wallets,if there will be lightening network in future than also it might  take years to get adopted by majority of services just like how segwit is still in its adoption phase.

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December 21, 2017, 05:49:22 AM
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I am happy with the positive feed back this thread is having. Do some of you want to campaign for Segwit usage in the forum? It is easy.

Encourage others to start using GreenAddress, Samourai wallet and Electrum.
Ask your favorite Bitcoin casino to have Segwit enabled.
Start underbidding fees yourself from your Segwit enabled wallet.

Primedice is heavily affected. We have always been massive supporters of Bitcoin, not wanting to accept any alts. But these fees are getting ridiculous. We're pretty close to abandoning our original morals and seeing what coins our community would like to see us accept.

Primedice has made donations to numerous individuals working behind projects such as the lightning network.

Lets hope this is sorted sooner rather than later.

If they support the Lightning Network then they should be leading Segwit implementation. Ask them to have it enabled. The high fees are proof that there is a demand for it.


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December 24, 2017, 02:52:49 PM
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Personally i think that any gambling site should offer the option to use at the minimal three crypto currencies for betting and deposit/ withdrawal purposes. Also if people want to use bitcoin strictly then they should offer users a chance to select the withdrawal fee they want to pay. I agree that we need to find a solution but that solution should not be to drop bitcoin transactions all together.

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December 24, 2017, 06:02:13 PM
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It affects me very much since i usally play with balances around 50-200$. I recently switched from primedice to bitsler to play with DOGE or LTC. Can only recommend this for everyone Smiley

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December 24, 2017, 07:02:32 PM
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Clearly the answer is yes. High fees do affect a Bitcoin casino's profitability badly, but I am interested in what kind of solutions are you planning to fix it?

Is it enabling Segwit or shifting your business to accept altcoins like Bitcoin Cash?


The mining fees is seriously affect every ways we make money through bitcoin and casino is not exempted. If you are investing $100 and you are paying $75 as fees is not encouraging. Many people are avoiding gaming for bitcoin this days because of the fees and I believe that expert  has been warning us over this and the fees is currently affecting price  bitcoin advancements.
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Absolutely yes especially for small gamblers like me, I need to spend too much money for the transaction fees on both deposit and withdrawal. Lets say I want to play with 0.002btc only, it will force me to spend double or even triple amount because of the fees. So in order to make profit, then I should win more than 3x of my initial deposit to recover the fees. Otherwise I will get no profit at all, while it was fine to win 2x because the fee was not so high like recent days.
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Absolutely yes especially for small gamblers like me, I need to spend too much money for the transaction fees on both deposit and withdrawal. Lets say I want to play with 0.002btc only, it will force me to spend double or even triple amount because of the fees. So in order to make profit, then I should win more than 3x of my initial deposit to recover the fees. Otherwise I will get no profit at all, while it was fine to win 2x because the fee was not so high like recent days.

If you know this may be you yourselves already know the answer. You need yo gamble more than what you need to pay the fee so everything will be back to normal. And btw why you need to send such a low amount? You can send more than 0.002 btc right? 0.1 and 0.002 fee is the same why not to put 0.1 btc to play? With 0.1 btc you have much more chance to winning some amount so you might have the chance to pay the fee
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December 25, 2017, 10:56:11 AM
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Clearly the answer is yes. High fees do affect a Bitcoin casino's profitability badly, but I am interested in what kind of solutions are you planning to fix it?

Is it enabling Segwit or shifting your business to accept altcoins like Bitcoin Cash?


Bch is not fully recognized to be an altcoin, some say it's just another btc. Transaction fees are a big problem indeed and not only in the sphere of gambling but in any area where bitcoin is used. A couple of months ago I could enjoy transferring about 15 dollars on an exchange to make some experimental investments and I could even get profit out of it, whereas now this sum won't even cover the fee. Yet bch is not really helping a lot, for the fees have grown there as well and are now about $10 which is still too high. I think we should all turn to litecoin as a main currency now.

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Not only just bitcoin casino operators are facing issues from high transaction fees and slow confirmation but also same for the players. Because if they want to gamble with a small amount like $50 or $100 then may need to almost 50% of that amount on transaction fees at the current movement. It has actually forced both players and casino operators to think about other altcoins to use.
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December 25, 2017, 11:43:01 AM
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Bch is not fully recognized to be an altcoin, some say it's just another btc.
'Another BTC' is an altcoin. An alternate coin.

Yet bch is not really helping a lot, for the fees have grown there as well and are now about $10 which is still too high. I think we should all turn to litecoin as a main currency now.
Or find an alternative solution, instead of relying on altcoins.

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Clearly the answer is yes. High fees do affect a Bitcoin casino's profitability badly, but I am interested in what kind of solutions are you planning to fix it?

Is it enabling Segwit or shifting your business to accept altcoins like Bitcoin Cash?


On nitrogensports, they make a new rules about withdrawal. They provide free withdrawal without fee once in 2 weeks. Actually it's once a week but after that a new rules coming because of the huge fee on bitcoin fees.

Absolutely yes especially for small gamblers like me, I need to spend too much money for the transaction fees on both deposit and withdrawal. Lets say I want to play with 0.002btc only, it will force me to spend double or even triple amount because of the fees. So in order to make profit, then I should win more than 3x of my initial deposit to recover the fees. Otherwise I will get no profit at all, while it was fine to win 2x because the fee was not so high like recent days.

I know what you feel man, i also a small gambler and even the fees is more bigger than my deposit. The best choice is to stop deposit with small amount and wait until the fees decrease.
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December 26, 2017, 05:06:44 AM
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AFAIK most bitcoin gambling sites are not yet using segwit (just yolodice, bustadice, betking, ..?) Most are using Bitcoin Core and it's not really ideal to use segwit just yet. But within some months Core 0.16.0 will be released with proper segwit support. I expect most/all bitcoin casinos to enable segwit by that point.

If the bigger companies (coinbase, blockchain.info, etc) use segwit too by that time, the fees could seriously go down a bit again (not cents, but lower than now lol.)

I am also curious to figure out if/how gambling sites can adopt lightning, but haven't been able to properly test LN myself.

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December 26, 2017, 07:43:28 AM
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I think that for bitcoin casinos there is no choice now. They have to pay fees themselves. Otherwise they lose players.
Our casino pays fees but it becomes more and more difficult to satisfy both players and house
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December 26, 2017, 04:49:02 PM
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Primedice is heavily affected. We have always been massive supporters of Bitcoin, not wanting to accept any alts. But these fees are getting ridiculous. We're pretty close to abandoning our original morals and seeing what coins our community would like to see us accept.

Primedice has made donations to numerous individuals working behind projects such as the lightning network.

Lets hope this is sorted sooner rather than later.

Interesting...

Currently let's be honest bitcoin is used for only three things:
-Investing short/long term
-As a currency hub to get to other coins, but ETH has already created a way to get around the compulsory bitcoin
-Gambling, freaking gambling in every possible way

Whatever the "possibilities" of bitcoin, gambling is the only current and actual use we can see on a daily basis. That means there is a real danger if all casinos try to favor altcoins...

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December 27, 2017, 12:14:43 PM
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Primedice is heavily affected. We have always been massive supporters of Bitcoin, not wanting to accept any alts. But these fees are getting ridiculous. We're pretty close to abandoning our original morals and seeing what coins our community would like to see us accept.

Primedice has made donations to numerous individuals working behind projects such as the lightning network.

Lets hope this is sorted sooner rather than later.

Interesting...

Currently let's be honest bitcoin is used for only three things:
-Investing short/long term
-As a currency hub to get to other coins, but ETH has already created a way to get around the compulsory bitcoin
-Gambling, freaking gambling in every possible way

Whatever the "possibilities" of bitcoin, gambling is the only current and actual use we can see on a daily basis. That means there is a real danger if all casinos try to favor altcoins...

This is a good point how we describe the bitcoin for now but nowadays people are using it for transaction too in a real life thing, may be some countries banned it just because it does not any affection to government due to tax but yet they still doing it without government even notice this about. Because of this blockchain everything is tradable without any tracks left

So i can say that for me it does not really matter because your value of your coin increase so do the fee as well. It just the same thing when bitcoin is still on low price

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