toddbethell (OP)
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July 04, 2011, 07:20:37 PM |
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It is my professional opinion that bitcoin prices are being systematically walked down by a miner or an early adapter. I am not so concerned by the reckless sells of large chunks of coins as I am about that being followed by the placement of large amount of coins to hold the price down and discourage new money. I am having a difficult time imagining what they hope to gain by this effort. This person is clearly not thinking economically. If bitcoin prices approach $10, there will be a panic sale taking the prices to $2-$3. From here it will take a year or more for bitcoin to recover, if at all. The individual that is selling large amounts of coins in single chunks then placing large amounts of coins in very obvious ceiling positions is causing new investors of high net worth to take pause. I personally know a half dozen high net worth individuals who are on the cusp of large investments in bitcoin related businesses as well as bitcoins. These persons will not proceed if bitcoin is manipulated down much further. They are not investing because bitcoin advances liberty and privacy, they are investing for profit. To the individual that is doing this, and I know you are one individual, I am not asking you to hold your coins; go ahead, sell all you want, but what do you gain by preventing new money from coming into the market with these ceilings?
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July 04, 2011, 07:40:45 PM |
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Er..... Go trade on another exchange maybe?!? If the price of BTC surges on another exchange, the average value of BTC across the exchanges will remain high and things will start to feel lonely at gox, leaving this one individual in their own slump. Also......if what you are saying about serious investors.....they ain't going to Gox, they are going to go to a regulated American based exchange......Oh looky here! www.campbx.com |
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July 04, 2011, 07:46:35 PM |
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toddbethell: Wouldn't a lower price attract more investment? It the price goes to 10 there is clearly potential for 3x upside. 3x upside isn't that clear when the price is 30.
YoYa: you can't seriously trade on a market with a 1/10th the liquidity of the main market. You are just throwing money away if you do.
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DrYe5
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July 04, 2011, 07:47:17 PM |
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If bitcoin prices approach $10, there will be a panic sale taking the prices to $2-$3.
I personally know a half dozen high net worth individuals who are on the cusp of large investments in bitcoin related businesses as well as bitcoins.
Unsupported conjecture + Ambiguous Rumor |
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July 04, 2011, 07:54:44 PM |
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The people who make these boneheaded moves either are not on the forum (most likely) or do not want to talk about it.
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YoYa
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July 04, 2011, 07:56:57 PM |
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YoYa: you can't seriously trade on a market with a 1/10th the liquidity of the main market. You are just throwing money away if you do.
You are right, the other exchanges have yet to catch up, none the less liquidity is only generated by having people trade on the platform, and should you have enough capital......you could generate enough swings to start things moving.....highly unlikely scenario tho. |
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RodeoX
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July 04, 2011, 08:08:44 PM |
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Todd speaks the truth. I have a large investor who is watching for the right signs but is hesitant to go in when we see how easy it is to manipulate the market.
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cryptoanarchist
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July 04, 2011, 08:17:08 PM |
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It is my professional opinion that bitcoin prices are being systematically walked down by a miner or an early adapter. I am not so concerned by the reckless sells of large chunks of coins as I am about that being followed by the placement of large amount of coins to hold the price down and discourage new money. I am having a difficult time imagining what they hope to gain by this effort. This person is clearly not thinking economically. If bitcoin prices approach $10, there will be a panic sale taking the prices to $2-$3. From here it will take a year or more for bitcoin to recover, if at all. The individual that is selling large amounts of coins in single chunks then placing large amounts of coins in very obvious ceiling positions is causing new investors of high net worth to take pause. I personally know a half dozen high net worth individuals who are on the cusp of large investments in bitcoin related businesses as well as bitcoins. These persons will not proceed if bitcoin is manipulated down much further. They are not investing because bitcoin advances liberty and privacy, they are investing for profit. To the individual that is doing this, and I know you are one individual, I am not asking you to hold your coins; go ahead, sell all you want, but what do you gain by preventing new money from coming into the market with these ceilings?
*facepalm* I had my knee high boots on by the time I got through this BS |
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RodeoX
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July 04, 2011, 08:50:03 PM |
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Todd speaks the truth. I have a large investor who is watching for the right signs but is hesitant to go in when we see how easy it is to manipulate the market.
It is still a tiny market, and needs market makers. Chicken and egg right there. Your 'large' investor can make a difference if he/she chooses to. That's my opinion also. Be a market maker! But you know how conservative real investors can be. |
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Oldminer
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July 04, 2011, 08:53:38 PM |
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It is my professional opinion that bitcoin prices are being systematically walked down by a miner or an early adapter. I am not so concerned by the reckless sells of large chunks of coins as I am about that being followed by the placement of large amount of coins to hold the price down and discourage new money. I am having a difficult time imagining what they hope to gain by this effort. This person is clearly not thinking economically. If bitcoin prices approach $10, there will be a panic sale taking the prices to $2-$3.
Maybe thats what they want? Buy for a pittance and reap huge profits later? Sometimes trading's not rocket science. |
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S3052
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July 04, 2011, 09:03:35 PM |
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It is my professional opinion that bitcoin prices are being systematically walked down by a miner or an early adapter. I am not so concerned by the reckless sells of large chunks of coins as I am about that being followed by the placement of large amount of coins to hold the price down and discourage new money. I am having a difficult time imagining what they hope to gain by this effort. This person is clearly not thinking economically. If bitcoin prices approach $10, there will be a panic sale taking the prices to $2-$3. From here it will take a year or more for bitcoin to recover, if at all. The individual that is selling large amounts of coins in single chunks then placing large amounts of coins in very obvious ceiling positions is causing new investors of high net worth to take pause. I personally know a half dozen high net worth individuals who are on the cusp of large investments in bitcoin related businesses as well as bitcoins. These persons will not proceed if bitcoin is manipulated down much further. They are not investing because bitcoin advances liberty and privacy, they are investing for profit. To the individual that is doing this, and I know you are one individual, I am not asking you to hold your coins; go ahead, sell all you want, but what do you gain by preventing new money from coming into the market with these ceilings?
What's your evidence that 1 single person is causing this? On the technical side you make a good point. There is no reason to buy at current levels for investors. Bitcoin is in a midterm bearmarket. |
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DrYe5
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July 04, 2011, 09:10:05 PM |
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It is my professional opinion that bitcoin prices are being systematically walked down by a miner or an early adapter. I am not so concerned by the reckless sells of large chunks of coins as I am about that being followed by the placement of large amount of coins to hold the price down and discourage new money. I am having a difficult time imagining what they hope to gain by this effort. This person is clearly not thinking economically. If bitcoin prices approach $10, there will be a panic sale taking the prices to $2-$3. From here it will take a year or more for bitcoin to recover, if at all. The individual that is selling large amounts of coins in single chunks then placing large amounts of coins in very obvious ceiling positions is causing new investors of high net worth to take pause. I personally know a half dozen high net worth individuals who are on the cusp of large investments in bitcoin related businesses as well as bitcoins. These persons will not proceed if bitcoin is manipulated down much further. They are not investing because bitcoin advances liberty and privacy, they are investing for profit. To the individual that is doing this, and I know you are one individual, I am not asking you to hold your coins; go ahead, sell all you want, but what do you gain by preventing new money from coming into the market with these ceilings?
What's your evidence that 1 single person is causing this? On the technical side you make a good point. There is no reason to buy at current levels for investors. Bitcoin is in a midterm bearmarket. OP is clearly holding. |
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Oldminer
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July 04, 2011, 09:51:46 PM |
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Clearly in holding pattern lol
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July 04, 2011, 09:53:22 PM |
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Price drop below $10 will set back bitcoin one year or more
Have you ever seen the charts ? Price below $10 was a MONTH, not a YEAR ago! A year ago we were at around 0.06$ |
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July 04, 2011, 10:24:51 PM |
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Its the dumbfucks who don't get how a market works, and keep undercutting the majority.. that are causing the price of bitcoin to drop like this
What needs to happen is all these fucks who keep selling lower need to go away, or learn that if you sell AT market price, the market will healthily improve
Right now at $15 each, I don't know how the fuck you idiot miners are okay with such low profits. Realistically at this difficulty, it should be at $30 again, instead we have all these niggers just selling at half off thinking it will benefit them. Little do they know, its actually hurting themselves, and everyone else.
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July 04, 2011, 10:45:35 PM |
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I really laught about the idea that are miners that control the price rise or fall ... really nowdays miners are just only people crying for profit, the real price is driven by the speculators, and how much they're willing to pay for.
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July 04, 2011, 10:46:15 PM |
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I really laught about the idea that are miners that control the price rise or fall ... really nowdays miners are just only people crying for profit, the real price is driven by the speculators, and how much they're willing to pay for.
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July 05, 2011, 12:58:25 AM |
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It is my professional opinion that bitcoin prices are being systematically walked down by a miner or an early adapter. I am not so concerned by the reckless sells of large chunks of coins as I am about that being followed by the placement of large amount of coins to hold the price down and discourage new money. I am having a difficult time imagining what they hope to gain by this effort. This person is clearly not thinking economically. If bitcoin prices approach $10, there will be a panic sale taking the prices to $2-$3. From here it will take a year or more for bitcoin to recover, if at all. The individual that is selling large amounts of coins in single chunks then placing large amounts of coins in very obvious ceiling positions is causing new investors of high net worth to take pause. I personally know a half dozen high net worth individuals who are on the cusp of large investments in bitcoin related businesses as well as bitcoins. These persons will not proceed if bitcoin is manipulated down much further. They are not investing because bitcoin advances liberty and privacy, they are investing for profit. To the individual that is doing this, and I know you are one individual, I am not asking you to hold your coins; go ahead, sell all you want, but what do you gain by preventing new money from coming into the market with these ceilings?
You mistaken believe that whoever is manipulating the market gives a shit. For all you know it could be PayPal coughing up a few $100k to buy up enough coins so that it can stagger huge asks and drive the price down in an attempt to kill bitcoin.  Mission Accomplished. Now bring on the black helicopters. |
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July 05, 2011, 01:10:06 AM |
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I wonder if people realize that in the stock market a 10 % profit per annum is considered good?
Currently, the average GPU mining rig is producing something like $10 per day for $2.70 worth of electricity. That's a whopping 270 % profit. Given the competitive nature of mining, it's really unrealistic to expect your $2.70 daily investment to eventually produce more than it would in any other market, which would be somewhere around $.27. In fact, it's probably going to be less than that, unless you are investing in effiecency and looking into things such as producing your own inexpensive energy.
I can't help but feel that crying about miners selling their coins is short-sighted. If you are a miner, not only you should sell or spend most if not almost all of your mined coins as soon as you mined them, but also pray that everyone else does the same, in order to keep the exchange rates down. That's the only way to discourage mining, and thus slow down the increase of difficulty. (Though I think it's only a matter of time until it's all about specialized hardware, only available to those with the capital, anyway.)
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July 05, 2011, 01:23:50 AM |
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If it's really a cashed up miner manipulating the price down the MO isn't hard to work out. Drive price down gradually accumulating USD on the way. Push a heap of miners out of the market, get a much bigger chunk of the mining booty. Then later use previously aquired USD to drive price back up. Just hope in the meantime liquidity hasn't improved a lot or they won't have the reserves to move the price back upwards.
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