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July 05, 2011, 05:00:19 AM
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If some one can supply that I would too though the highest I've ever heard any one get is around 330 megahash with a 5830.
330/130=2.538
2.538 is still less then 2.62
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July 05, 2011, 05:10:07 AM
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If some one can supply that I would too though the highest I've ever heard any one get is around 330 megahash with a 5830.
330/130=2.538
2.538 is still less then 2.62
That's probably without latest optimizations...

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July 05, 2011, 05:19:37 AM
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If some one can supply that I would too though the highest I've ever heard any one get is around 330 megahash with a 5830.
330/130=2.538
2.538 is still less then 2.62
That's probably without latest optimizations...
In order to tie the 5850 you would need to get 340.6 megahash out of your 5830 I highly doubt some one has reached this with a 5830. If they got the full 3% which I don't think they would have 330*1.03=339.9 which is still less. There's also the possibility that this 5850 record didn't include the 3% increase.
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July 05, 2011, 05:41:24 AM
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With that being said, obviously there's no need to compare it with 5850 since 6970 is better than a 5850.

I just noticed you said that and I don't know where you did your numbers but acording to newegg the cheepest 6970 is $335(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161356)

I checked on mining hardware comparison(https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison) the highest noted megahash for a 6970 is 423 while a 5850 on that same site is 392. A 5850 costs 161 while a 6970 is 335.
335/161 = 2.08

That means you can get two 5850's for the price of one 6970.
6970 megahash=423
5850 megahash=392*2=784
423<784

Then if you want to look at power consumption(https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AsSwOT3E1XTGdGtpa1BQcmJLN2x6TG1MRmxzb29BeFE&hl=en_US&authkey=COWC8toK#gid=0)
A 6970 gets 1.472 megahash per jule while a 5850 gets 1.818.
1.472<1.818

So please do some research before you try and say statements such as that.
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July 05, 2011, 07:45:11 AM
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With that being said, obviously there's no need to compare it with 5850 since 6970 is better than a 5850.

I just noticed you said that and I don't know where you did your numbers but acording to newegg the cheepest 6970 is $335(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161356)

I checked on mining hardware comparison(https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison) the highest noted megahash for a 6970 is 423 while a 5850 on that same site is 392. A 5850 costs 161 while a 6970 is 335.
335/161 = 2.08

That means you can get two 5850's for the price of one 6970.
6970 megahash=423
5850 megahash=392*2=784
423<784

Then if you want to look at power consumption(https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AsSwOT3E1XTGdGtpa1BQcmJLN2x6TG1MRmxzb29BeFE&hl=en_US&authkey=COWC8toK#gid=0)
A 6970 gets 1.472 megahash per jule while a 5850 gets 1.818.
1.472<1.818

So please do some research before you try and say statements such as that.

You realize the 5850 you linked isn't in stock right? So... not exactly a comparison with an instock card.

Not to mention you're linking ONE card that is labelled "5800". The usual run of the mill 5850 gets nowhere near 400MHash/sec, even on water that's hard. To say you can consistently get 380 out of 5850s would be a stretch.

The 5830s are available, and they're close to the top in terms of $/MHash, so if you're going to get a card, this would probably be it (though the power consumption is an issue of course). If you argue against getting a 5830 then you argue against getting any other card basically.
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July 05, 2011, 08:50:43 AM
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Outta curiosity, what's the diff between the two 5830s?

Obviously one of them is price but is there a diff in performance?

Card 1, $129.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102946&cm_re=radeon_5830-_-14-102-946-_-Product

Card 2, 109.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102878&cm_re=radeon_5830-_-14-102-878-_-Product

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July 05, 2011, 10:03:00 AM
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Outta curiosity, what's the diff between the two 5830s?

Obviously one of them is price but is there a diff in performance?

Card 1, $129.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102946&cm_re=radeon_5830-_-14-102-946-_-Product

Card 2, 109.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102878&cm_re=radeon_5830-_-14-102-878-_-Product



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July 05, 2011, 02:50:42 PM
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Just bought 20.
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July 05, 2011, 02:58:06 PM
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With that being said, obviously there's no need to compare it with 5850 since 6970 is better than a 5850.

I just noticed you said that and I don't know where you did your numbers but acording to newegg the cheepest 6970 is $335(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161356)

I checked on mining hardware comparison(https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison) the highest noted megahash for a 6970 is 423 while a 5850 on that same site is 392. A 5850 costs 161 while a 6970 is 335.
335/161 = 2.08

That means you can get two 5850's for the price of one 6970.
6970 megahash=423
5850 megahash=392*2=784
423<784

Then if you want to look at power consumption(https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AsSwOT3E1XTGdGtpa1BQcmJLN2x6TG1MRmxzb29BeFE&hl=en_US&authkey=COWC8toK#gid=0)
A 6970 gets 1.472 megahash per jule while a 5850 gets 1.818.
1.472<1.818

So please do some research before you try and say statements such as that.


I don't need to do some research because I have 3x6970s, 4x5850s and 4x5830s all currently mining for me. I just "don't" read research, I based it from my experience.

Next time buy the product and post the facts based on your experience.

 

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July 05, 2011, 02:59:25 PM
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Just bought 20.

Good luck with that.

Bitcoin just dipped again last night, now it's playing with $12.

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July 05, 2011, 03:04:23 PM
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Just bought 20.

Good luck with that.

Bitcoin just dipped again last night, now it's playing with $12.



Supply is up so we can just wait for it to level down and expect another major bump. Hah! 30$ / BTC again (daydreaming)

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July 05, 2011, 03:19:36 PM
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I'll daydream with you...

Hey $30 BTC sounds great to me, too!

But then I'll make sure to come back to reality before I get out my wallet or visit NewEgg.com  Wink
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July 05, 2011, 03:27:30 PM
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You realize the 5850 you linked isn't in stock right? So... not exactly a comparison with an instock card.
My point was that you should wait for the best card you can purchase.

Not to mention you're linking ONE card that is labelled "5800". The usual run of the mill 5850 gets nowhere near 400MHash/sec, even on water that's hard. To say you can consistently get 380 out of 5850s would be a stretch.
If this is true then it changes things. I was going with hard facts I found on the web. I also get top megahash per sec out of my 5830's (320) without watercooling and it runs around 68c so I assumed it would be fairly easy to reach this mark.

The 5830s are available, and they're close to the top in terms of $/MHash, so if you're going to get a card, this would probably be it (though the power consumption is an issue of course). If you argue against getting a 5830 then you argue against getting any other card basically.
I'm not saying the 5830's aren't the top in terms of megahash per dollar but you should still pay for only the most efficient cards you can get. Why pay 130 for the same card that comes in stock at 110 every couple of days?



I don't need to do some research because I have 3x6970s, 4x5850s and 4x5830s all currently mining for me. I just "don't" read research, I based it from my experience.

Next time buy the product and post the facts based on your experience.
My question to you is why do you have 3 servers with 3 different cards? If you knew you were going invest heavily into bitcoins I would think you would pick the best card you could so you saved yourself the most money possible.

Also basing it off experience is like saying I know this works trust me. Basing it off research is like saying here are some articles that list bench marks you can figure out for yourself what the best card is.

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July 05, 2011, 04:56:22 PM
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If some one can supply that I would too though the highest I've ever heard any one get is around 330 megahash with a 5830.
330/130=2.538
2.538 is still less then 2.62
That's probably without latest optimizations...
In order to tie the 5850 you would need to get 340.6 megahash out of your 5830 I highly doubt some one has reached this with a 5830.

Quit doubting, negative Nancy (24/7, I just had to restart the miner trying to get a screenshot, the system is unusable at aggression=12):


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July 05, 2011, 05:10:21 PM
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If some one can supply that I would too though the highest I've ever heard any one get is around 330 megahash with a 5830.
330/130=2.538
2.538 is still less then 2.62
That's probably without latest optimizations...
In order to tie the 5850 you would need to get 340.6 megahash out of your 5830 I highly doubt some one has reached this with a 5830.

Quit doubting, negative Nancy (24/7, I just had to restart the miner trying to get a screenshot, the system is unusable at aggression=12):



At what temperature....for how long did you run at this level?  Our 5830's run ~308mh/s @70C (never get above 75C)...more frequent crashes happen at anything above that, to me the couple extra Mh/s is not worth the time/gas of resetting multiple times a day.  An extra 160mh/s per rig would be great but not worth the issues in our case.
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July 05, 2011, 05:11:35 PM
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If some one can supply that I would too though the highest I've ever heard any one get is around 330 megahash with a 5830.
330/130=2.538
2.538 is still less then 2.62
That's probably without latest optimizations...
In order to tie the 5850 you would need to get 340.6 megahash out of your 5830 I highly doubt some one has reached this with a 5830.

Quit doubting, negative Nancy (24/7, I just had to restart the miner trying to get a screenshot, the system is unusable at aggression=12):



Well, there you have it... 345/130 = 2.65
Anyway, all this was started because it was proposed that at $130 5830 is no good.  Obviously that's not the case...

Are we gonna put this to rest, or continue with non-productive arguments?

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July 05, 2011, 05:20:46 PM
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Quit doubting, negative Nancy (24/7, I just had to restart the miner trying to get a screenshot, the system is unusable at aggression=12):

At what temperature....for how long did you run at this level?  Our 5830's run ~308mh/s @70C (never get above 75C)...more frequent crashes happen at anything above that, to me the couple extra Mh/s is not worth the time/gas of resetting multiple times a day.  An extra 160mh/s per rig would be great but not worth the issues in our case.

24/7? See quote above.

This is the exact card referred to in this thread, the $129 Sapphire -2L variant. It has a different PCB than other 5830s, and has no overvoltage control from Trixx, so this is at the stock voltage.

I have other 5830s that max out at 1030 and 990, so this one is just a rare overclocker. The low temperature is with 200mm fan in the side of the case blowing straight down on the card, card fan at 100%, in a room that has outside air going through it.

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July 05, 2011, 05:27:04 PM
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Well, there you have it... 345/130 = 2.65
Anyway, all this was started because it was proposed that at $130 5830 is no good.  Obviously that's not the case...

Are we gonna put this to rest, or continue with non-productive arguments?
With this new proof yes the 5830 at 130 is better than a 5850 at megahash per dollar. I still believe you should wait to purchase it at 110 because you gain nothing for purchasing it at 20 dollars more.
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July 05, 2011, 05:35:15 PM
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Quit doubting, negative Nancy (24/7, I just had to restart the miner trying to get a screenshot, the system is unusable at aggression=12):

At what temperature....for how long did you run at this level?  Our 5830's run ~308mh/s @70C (never get above 75C)...more frequent crashes happen at anything above that, to me the couple extra Mh/s is not worth the time/gas of resetting multiple times a day.  An extra 160mh/s per rig would be great but not worth the issues in our case.

24/7? See quote above.

This is the exact card referred to in this thread, the $129 Sapphire -2L variant. It has a different PCB than other 5830s, and has no overvoltage control from Trixx, so this is at the stock voltage.

I have other 5830s that max out at 1030 and 990, so this one is just a rare overclocker. The low temperature is with 200mm fan in the side of the case blowing straight down on the card, card fan at 100%, in a room that has outside air going through it.


I call bullshit...55C with that overclock...whatever.
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July 05, 2011, 05:43:16 PM
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Well, there you have it... 345/130 = 2.65
Anyway, all this was started because it was proposed that at $130 5830 is no good.  Obviously that's not the case...

Are we gonna put this to rest, or continue with non-productive arguments?
With this new proof yes the 5830 at 130 is better than a 5850 at megahash per dollar. I still believe you should wait to purchase it at 110 because you gain nothing for purchasing it at 20 dollars more.

I do agree that 110 is better than 130! Smiley

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