so i went to the hacker forums...

[eramus]

Botnets in my opinion is not effective miners. They mostly is CPU based and the 100% load might alert few compromised losers to reinstall computers. All other is true.

thats not how it works. they mostly rely on the fact that the user will not notice any changes (increased load, saturated bandwidth) to their computer -- typically because of user ignorance. if the first thought was to reinstall, botnets would not be in as big of use as they are today.

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[MysteryMiner]

You are also wrong! Electronics hardware is disassembled by reverse engineers. Some hackers also might be able to extensively modify electronics, but no majority of hackers are capable of such feat. Also only few engineers are able to hack networked systems or are members of underground comunnity.

When you want access to particular system, you try all possibilities that your skill level allow. Guessing the password, using exploit if available or social engineering your way in. This does not make difference how you are called.

[DamienBlack]

You could make about 5x more per computer by delivering ads than bitcoin mining. Of course, I suppose you can do both.

[myrkul]

You are also wrong! Electronics hardware is disassembled by reverse engineers. Some hackers also might be able to extensively modify electronics, but no majority of hackers are capable of such feat. Also only few engineers are able to hack networked systems or are members of underground comunnity.

When you want access to particular system, you try all possibilities that your skill level allow. Guessing the password, using exploit if available or social engineering your way in. This does not make difference how you are called.

Crackers always get their panties in a bunch when you call them out.

Hackers modify hardware and software. Some hackers are Crackers.

[MysteryMiner]

Botnets in my opinion is not effective miners. They mostly is CPU based and the 100% load might alert few compromised losers to reinstall computers. All other is true.

thats not how it works. they mostly rely on the fact that the user will not notice any changes (increased load, saturated bandwidth) to their computer -- typically because of user ignorance. if the first thought was to reinstall, botnets would not be in as big of use as they are today.

When I used bnet to crack some rar password, after few days of work I noticed about 20% drop in quantity that never really recovered. And it was not worth the efforts, since the rar file contained basically crap.

Bandwidth, some bursts of activity - ok, this is not noticed by most losers. 100% CPU load might make machines too unresponsive to alert some seek for help. And if the loser is joining other networks as well, the computer in most cases is like Pentium 2 struggling with Windows Vista.

[ampkZjWDQcqT]

You are wrong! Hacker is hacker. When there was no laws and unnecesary prejudice against people who understand computers and hack into computer networks, all hackers were called hackers. Crackers are neologism artifically created to distant from people who hack websites, write malware and other stuff. This is wrong. I have seen on numerous ocassions how so called "white hat" hackers from well known security companies get boored and deface websites just for fun.

You expressed your disagreement with the original meaning of the work "hacker", however I missed the part where you actually explained why you do. Some hackers (In the original meaning) break into computer systems as well, both my first message in the thread and the articles I pointed to acknowledge this fact, It's not clear to me if you interpret this as a confirmation than "to hack" means to break into computer systems; that would be a non sequitur.

Basically in my opinion it is not evil to deface some website, take down some small part of network or write new piece of worm as long as the CRT monitor of the victim does not explode and blast shrapnel in face.

I agree but this is unrelated to the issue and likely to invite flames as the following one.

So you are fine with burning down a mom and pop store as long as you don't kill them in the process? :rolleyes Ah, naivete.

I'm fine with site defacing because it's a resounding way to expose a hole and force a fix, it can prevent a harmful attack. Of course, I would prefer a bug report but some sysadmins/webmasters will ignore them. nhodges is totally missing the point with his message in mi opinion.

[eramus]

When I used bnet to crack some rar password, after few days of work I noticed about 20% drop in quantity that never really recovered. And it was not worth the efforts, since the rar file contained basically crap.

Bandwidth, some bursts of activity - ok, this is not noticed by most losers. 100% CPU load might make machines too unresponsive to alert some seek for help. And if the loser is joining other networks as well, the computer in most cases is like Pentium 2 struggling with Windows Vista.

sure thing. im still pretty sure that you dont know how a botnet works.

[MysteryMiner]

Most people don't understand the difference between damaging tangible items in real world and damaging virtual files in computer systems. As a person who spends most of his life in virtual world, I can see the differences between virtual and real world clearly. The people who don't understand the virtual world are trying to enforce real life rules in virtual world. And as a result actions in virtual world can result in consequences in real life. It's absolutely wrong.


Back to original posting that started thread. The Bitcoin is convinient means of payment. It have all the advantages that is mentioned in Bitcoin website. And it's also perfectly suited for black hat activity both as means of payment for services, and as a source of income. No more private amateur porn from compromised accounts, wallet.dat is first thing to go.

[MysteryMiner]

When I used bnet to crack some rar password, after few days of work I noticed about 20% drop in quantity that never really recovered. And it was not worth the efforts, since the rar file contained basically crap.

Bandwidth, some bursts of activity - ok, this is not noticed by most losers. 100% CPU load might make machines too unresponsive to alert some seek for help. And if the loser is joining other networks as well, the computer in most cases is like Pentium 2 struggling with Windows Vista.

sure thing. im still pretty sure that you dont know how a botnet works.

trying to troll me? I'm pretty sure you can't name a distributed password cracking software designed to run on multiple computers. And I'm totally sure you don't have seen botnet in action and how stuff is done.

[Eri]

Ah, so that's who's driving the price down.

I think it is related to some stuff going on at two of the bigger pools.  Deepbit and something else if I have briefly seen.  Something about a Botnet.  I have no facts here, just speculation that I swear I read lol.

btcguild banned a botnet and dropd its remaining balance in the bitcoin faucet, botnet owner got mad and ddos's them, btcguild users went to other pools. think a few others have been ddos'd off and on so its further pushed people into other pools. im too much of a noob to check out the differences between the pools, i just went with one of the bigger ones that wasn't being ddos'd.

[bitplane]

Haha the age old hackers/crackers argument.

The low-down is:

If you think that hackers are people who break into computer systems then you're most likely an uncultured, mass media educated child wearing a soiled diaper sat in front of your first computer.

If you think that hackers are people who are smart, playful MIT types who write interesting solutions to software and hardware problems, then you're a smelly beard with no social skills who wears socks and sandals.

You can't win either way, it's best not to use the term at all.

[Oldminer]

All kinds of bitcoin posts For idleminer and using it with bot farms.

then i go to the marketplace and see them selling/buying all kinds of anon products, shady services yet...

This is what happens when you visit the seedy end of town 

[myrkul]

Haha the age old hackers/crackers argument.

The low-down is:

If you think that hackers are people who break into computer systems then you're most likely an uncultured, mass media educated child wearing a soiled diaper sat in front of your first computer.

If you think that hackers are people who are smart, playful MIT types who write interesting solutions to software and hardware problems, then you're a smelly beard with no social skills who wears socks and sandals.

You can't win either way, it's best not to use the term at all.

What if you think Hackers are the kids taking apart PS3s and building robots (or 3D Printers or...) out of them? 

[bitplane]

What if you think Hackers are the kids taking apart PS3s and building robots (or 3D Printers or...) out of them? 

I guess you're on the journey to the second type, but don't call anyone a hacker until you've earned your beard and sandals or you'll look like a member of the first group, and certainly don't call yourself one unless you're widely recognised as one by beards who call each other one, if that even makes any sense.

[myrkul]

What if you think Hackers are the kids taking apart PS3s and building robots (or 3D Printers or...) out of them? 

I guess you're on the journey to the second type, but don't call anyone a hacker until you've earned your beard and sandals or you'll look like a member of the first group, and certainly don't call yourself one unless you're widely recognised as one by beards who call each other one, if that even makes any sense.

As much sense as the rest of this thread.

[Raoul Duke]

How did a thread about the stupidity of the skiddies at hackforums.net ended up on a semantics discussion?

Talk about off-topic... geezzz