Ebang Announces E9++, E10, and E10.1

[HagssFIN]

I was there at the e10 presentation in HangZhou, China.

The chip was produced by Samsung, the design of it and the PCB by Ebang.

There were 4 teams of non Chinese people at the event, 3 from Russia and 1 from Serbia. Every team was a large account to Ebang.

When they announced pricing, everyone was kind of a stunt. Everyone came optimistic to buy a whole lot, like 1000 machines. On that day they offered e10 for $5500, and no one bought anything.

Next day they lowered the price to $4900, and I still think that no one bought anything.

First batch delivery is set to 20.1.2018

Machine is real, I have seen it working, but just a bit expensive.

Yeah, they are going to make people go talk with Bitmain, Canaan, Pangolinminer and Bitfury with that high amount price.

Thanks for the presentation event report.  

[marra]

Not sure that anyone else can deliver 1000 machines today except Ebang.

[Logan4el]

http://miner.ebang.com.cn/goods-2.html

Flash sale E10 18T 4300$
Minimum order qty 20

 

[marra]

http://miner.ebang.com.cn/goods-2.html

Flash sale E10 18T 4300$
Minimum order qty 20

 

hehe, they lowered the price even more. This is second batch as it comes in March.

[Logan4el]

Not sure who should go for this sale? Most of the small miners does not have 86k+$ to invest. I doubt resellers will be able to make huge profits on these also.

[cryptominer11]

Weren't S9's on sale last night for 2400?

[cuteman]

What is power consumption??    They say:   " power consumption ratio is 90W/T "

- what does "T" mean?  "per Thash"?    Is it 90W * 18Th = 1620W?     Or just 90 Watt ?

[leowonderful]

What is power consumption??    They say:   " power consumption ratio is 90W/T "

- what does "T" mean?  "per Thash"?    Is it 90W * 18Th = 1620W?     Or just 90 Watt ?

T is Terahash. There's no way it would be simply 90W. W/T is a common way to express miner efficiency nowadays, sometimes preferred over W/GH in the product description for some miners. I still prefer good ol' W/GH over W/TH but that's just me.

[rifleman74]

Weren't S9's on sale last night for 2400?

Yep, and gone.  Bitmain just trying to control the market again. 

[cuteman]

What is power consumption??    They say:   " power consumption ratio is 90W/T "

- what does "T" mean?  "per Thash"?    Is it 90W * 18Th = 1620W?     Or just 90 Watt ?

T is Terahash. There's no way it would be simply 90W. W/T is a common way to express miner efficiency nowadays, sometimes preferred over W/GH in the product description for some miners. I still prefer good ol' W/GH over W/TH but that's just me.

so it is 1620 Watts ,  - why so much??  - nearly the same as S9.  But  10nm should be much more efficient as 14nm, shouldn't it ?

[leowonderful]

What is power consumption??    They say:   " power consumption ratio is 90W/T "

- what does "T" mean?  "per Thash"?    Is it 90W * 18Th = 1620W?     Or just 90 Watt ?

T is Terahash. There's no way it would be simply 90W. W/T is a common way to express miner efficiency nowadays, sometimes preferred over W/GH in the product description for some miners. I still prefer good ol' W/GH over W/TH but that's just me.

so it is 1620 Watts ,  - why so much??  - nearly the same as S9.  But  10nm should be much more efficient as 14nm, shouldn't it ?

No. A smaller node usually means less power consumption, but ultimately in the end a better-designed ASIC is what drives power consumption down. The best example of this that I can think of is the Pangolinminer/Whatsminer- it is made on 28nm but squeezed out still more juice out of the aging plaform. Just because the number is smaller does not mean the miner will be more efficient than a miner on a larger node. Also explains why not all 16nm chips are the same- Avalon is less efficient than Bitmain, etc.

[elokk]

Received reply from Ebit sales team. They need 100 units as minimum order  . We all need to stick together to break this monopoly. There is no fair trade happening with Chinese manufacturers.

someone should host a group buy

[dlezama]

What is power consumption??    They say:   " power consumption ratio is 90W/T "

- what does "T" mean?  "per Thash"?    Is it 90W * 18Th = 1620W?     Or just 90 Watt ?

T is Terahash. There's no way it would be simply 90W. W/T is a common way to express miner efficiency nowadays, sometimes preferred over W/GH in the product description for some miners. I still prefer good ol' W/GH over W/TH but that's just me.

so it is 1620 Watts ,  - why so much??  - nearly the same as S9.  But  10nm should be much more efficient as 14nm, shouldn't it ?

No. A smaller node usually means less power consumption, but ultimately in the end a better-designed ASIC is what drives power consumption down. The best example of this that I can think of is the Pangolinminer/Whatsminer- it is made on 28nm but squeezed out still more juice out of the aging plaform. Just because the number is smaller does not mean the miner will be more efficient than a miner on a larger node. Also explains why not all 16nm chips are the same- Avalon is less efficient than Bitmain, etc.

Where the chips are smaller, they can fit more on the board. More chips = more hashing power, but it also means more power consumption.

You are kidding right?

[sanmankrauss]

FYI to all, there is a flash sale on ebang for E10 delivery around end of Jan for USD4300

[dlezama]

FYI to all, there is a flash sale on ebang for E10 delivery around end of Jan for USD4300

At 1 pm Jan 4th, who knows what time zone. Min 20 units! And delivery is actually March 31st.

[gs777]

Anyone knows
how much delivery cost to Canada (Toronto) would be?
At least approximately for 20 units?

[sanmankrauss]

apparently, they are all sold out

[majlkcze]

FYI to all, there is a flash sale on ebang for E10 delivery around end of Jan for USD4300

At 1 pm Jan 4th, who knows what time zone. Min 20 units! And delivery is actually March 31st.

It is GMT+8 so its up for sale now. The MOQ is killer...

86.000 USD invest to unknow company miners that was made for testing purpose? No thanks...

(Btw. stock for this BATCH-0 shows 770pcs, just to note...)

[alexhjelm]

Its to expensive,  would buy if it was 3000$ each like it should be.

[dlezama]

No, not at all. I have been working in Semiconductor fabs for 20 years. But it depends on how they designed the chips. If you shrink the geometries inside a chip, you do save on power consumption and gain speed. This means you can also fit more transistors inside the same size packaged chip. So the question left is if Ebang/Samsung used the same amount of transistors to shrink the package size of the chips, or did they increase the amount of transistors inside each chip? It is also possible that they increased the clock speed (frequency) of the chips as well. Where smaller geometries produce less heat, you could increase the clock speed to obtain higher hash processing speeds. Either way, putting more chips on the board will require more wattage and so will increasing the clock speed.

Haha, that makes sense. If you read your previous msg you can see how it can be misinterpreted


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