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December 28, 2013, 09:42:19 PM
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any pools for cloudcoin yet

That's a bit like asking if the movies are still on when news reports the cinema collapsed earlier that day.
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December 28, 2013, 09:57:52 PM
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ok dumass just asking i don't live on this site like you do
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December 29, 2013, 12:02:14 PM
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Author, why are you so silent, other coins have gained huge profits, such as red, zet. You should contact bter.com opened cny transaction, improving cdc fame, you need bigger promotion and we all support you. Please qq contact us. qq group: 166979782

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December 29, 2013, 12:16:32 PM
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Symantec:    WS.Reputation.1

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December 30, 2013, 02:30:39 AM
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Another strange thing is happening now - most won blocks are being granted only tiny amounts of CDC (less than 0.1). Some appear to be granted 0. Any normal 50 CDC blocks are reversed within a few minutes.

In the past 5 hours or so the height has increased by 251, yet money supply has increased by less than 20 CDC. Normally this should be 12550+ CDC.

It has now been 23 hours since any of the blocks I've won have not been reversed by the network. 2300+ orphans, net 0.00000000 CDC



I would almost bet it is OP doing this shit. If you see the scam he's running on the website to get people to "convert" the coins to 2.0 while not releasing the update, looks like he is the one doing this.
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January 01, 2014, 11:41:09 PM
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The network seems to be getting stuck in proof-of-stake mode (<1 CDC) rather than accepting proof-of-work (50 to 4400 CDC) blocks. There's plenty of PoW blocks minted by miners, but the network reverses most or all of them within a few minutes, which shows as an orphan for the miner. Occasionally there are bouts where PoW blocks make it to maturity, but this seems to be the exception rather than rule. Here's a sample from the last 10 hours showing the number of PoS and PoW blocks in the chain:

hour #1: 52 PoS
hour #2: 60 PoS
hour #3: 42 PoW, 55 PoS
hour #4: 22 PoW, 38 PoS
hour #5: 65 PoS
hour #6: 54 PoS
hour #7: 60 PoS
hour #8: 61 PoS
hour #9: 49 PoS
hour #10: 60 PoS

Note that for only 2 hours out of those 10 was a decent amount of CDC mined via PoW actually making it to maturity... everything else was PoS breadcrumbs.

People holding their coins are making a small amount of interest via PoS, but miners trying to create new coins are having no luck.

tl;dr in 10 hours the network should have minted and accepted around 600 blocks; it accepted 64.
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January 02, 2014, 12:58:27 AM
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People holding their coins are making a small amount of interest via PoS, but miners trying to create new coins are having no luck.
Clearly it demonstrates how PoS is superior to PoW and how the rich don't control the network and become richer!
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January 02, 2014, 03:23:16 AM
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This graph demonstrates found PoW blocks being periodically reversed over a roughly 2 hour period. The network is propagating those PoW blocks, several in sequence, then for some reason the network readjusts the chain, which revokes all of the PoW blocks.

Note that this data is based on passive network monitoring, it has nothing to do with my own mining efforts.
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January 03, 2014, 02:28:28 PM
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In the past 48 hours there has only been one very brief period where found PoW blocks were not rejected by the network. It lasted for 40 seconds only. For the other 172760 seconds every PoW block was reversed.

Money supply has gone up by 4600 CDC in 48 hours. It should have gone up by at least 144000 CDC.

This coin is effectively dead until someone fixes the problem.
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January 04, 2014, 04:52:43 AM
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Things have gone from bad to worse. Around 8 hours ago there was another "window of opportunity" for about 8 minutes where PoW blocks were accepted by the network. Since that time, there have been no further PoW blocks making it to the network at all... which is different to the cycle we've seen in recent days where PoW blocks are accepted, then reversed. It seems to be the client that is ignoring them now; cgminer never reports "Accepted," only "Rejected"

This may be the same thing that's happening to Orbitcoin: a corrupt PoS block prevents any further PoW blocks. If what someone said on a thread about that coin is correct, this is the end of mining, until there's a dev fix.
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January 07, 2014, 03:03:00 AM
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Cloudcoin live?
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January 08, 2014, 09:45:43 AM
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my client says out of sync and it gives message about checkpoint too old contact developer  Angry
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January 09, 2014, 10:16:02 AM
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Proof-of-work blocks are stalled due to two blocks being out of sequence. CDC (and other coins with the same parent source that hit a negative time between blocks) will not mint any further PoW blocks until the code is fixed. It's very simple to fix this particular problem, but getting people to upgrade will be the difficult part... and there's also other issues with CDC (such as the PoS blocks reversing PoW from mining) which would still be a problem.

In summary, as of this moment:

1. You can send and receive CDC, but it could take 24+ hours for enough PoS blocks to go through the network to confirm the transaction.
2. You cannot mine CDC at all. The clients and network will not accept any PoW blocks.
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January 09, 2014, 10:29:22 AM
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This was also recently posted by someone who seems to know what they're talking about. Reproducing here as he doesn't have full post access yet.

My understanding of this explanation is that because Cloudcoin places so much value on proof-of-stake blocks (much more so than other coins) it is possible for a rogue node that owns sufficient coins to override (cancel) most mined blocks... which coincidentally is what has been happening for months.

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Isn't the 1,000,000 CDC showing for the first couple of hours on cryptometer simply the massive premine? It's right there in the client code:

Code:
    if(nHeight == 1)
    {
        nSubsidy = 1000000 * COIN;
    }

First block? Grant a million CDC to the miner.

almightyruler, Guess I need to post in the noob forum first.  Been following what you've posted on the main CDC thread and have also been curious about the issues with this coin.

The way the chain trust is calculated on CDC is the issue.  It puts a very high trust on the stake blocks relative to the work blocks. 

Code:
(IsProofOfStake()? (CBigNum(1)<<256) / (bnTarget+1) : 1)

No other POS+POW coin that I looked at calculates block trust this way. The value generated for a proof of stake block is weighted far higher than a work block. Each work block increments the block trust value by 1, each stake block is trusted by over a million. 

The first generated stake block in the log for example.
Code:
SetBestChain: new best=00000002d220876cda59  height=12409  trust=12410  date=08/02/13 12:30:41
SetBestChain: new best=000000014a6b9e2a2cce  height=12410  trust=12411  date=08/02/13 12:31:02
SetBestChain: new best=e7616b332a619fc2099e  height=12411  trust=1060988  date=08/02/13 12:33:07

This alone wouldn't necessarily cause the clipping to occur.  Each client should still receive the mined blocks and place its POS blocks at the end of the chain.  Either it was a client on the network that excessively slow at receiving new blocks or a modified client that only will accept POS blocks and reject POW blocks.  I'm assuming the later.  If a "good client" submitted a POS block, the POW blocks mined since the last POS would be accepted and the "bad client" would accept the longer chain.  Someone with a lot of coins, maybe a million premine, would possibly do this Wink.  I was going to test this with some CDC that should generate a stake in a couple days, but mining has now become impossible. 

Also mining the coin recently locked due to a miner setting their clock back by over 700 seconds from the previous mined block.  That set the target for the next block to be below zero. The client will reject any block with a target of zero or less in the CheckProofOfWork call.  It's a simple fix and I was able to mine a few blocks. Since it affects the method of calculating difficulty, blocks I generate are rejected by the network.  Unfortunately it would require a client update.  Also this could also be an issue for any coin that retargets its difficulty every mined block. 


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January 09, 2014, 03:45:43 PM
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Cloudcoin now there is no technology to maintain it? Cloudcoin when longer active again? We look forward to more than a month. Cry
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January 14, 2014, 12:21:24 PM
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has anyone successfully got their coins to Bter.com to trade?

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January 14, 2014, 12:57:43 PM
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has anyone successfully got their coins to Bter.com to trade?

Yes, a few days ago. It took a day or two to fully confirm because of the small number of proof-of-stake blocks that were being minted.
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January 14, 2014, 01:34:35 PM
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has anyone successfully got their coins to Bter.com to trade?

Yes, a few days ago. It took a day or two to fully confirm because of the small number of proof-of-stake blocks that were being minted.

Thanks!  I'm at block 223930. does that seem right?


And this "redemption" thing on the website saying "send coins to me" and I will send them back.  Is this for real or a scam?



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January 14, 2014, 01:45:18 PM
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SCAM...don't send your coins to anyone !!!!!
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January 14, 2014, 02:14:06 PM
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has anyone successfully got their coins to Bter.com to trade?

Yes, a few days ago. It took a day or two to fully confirm because of the small number of proof-of-stake blocks that were being minted.

I sent 1 CDC to bter to test on the 11th at the moment it shows 266 confirms, but still noting at Bter.com.   I pressed the "sync" button but nothing  Angry

are there any working explorers where i can view the transaction?

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